Mazda no longer manufacturing the Rotary Engine???
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I dont see why they would drop something they have been doing for so long. They have dumped billions in reserch of rotary motors they wouldent waste years of reserch in a second like that. It doesent make sence. Plus they just developed the 16x wich was alot of money to do probably. They will put it in something even if its just a BS car with the 16X just to keep there rotary fans happy
Hopefully... haha
Hopefully... haha
Well, you live in Nevada. We have such stations here, over two dozen statewide, actually. http://cafcp.org/stationmap
Our region (so. cal.) has fueling station infrastructure in place. California has more people and have more cars than any other state does, so I don't agree that Hydrogen rotary power in an RX-8 or a Miata is a pipe dream. It could happen. Money talks. We all know that.
What is going on is that the hydrogen rotary engine R&D is back-burnered due to the lousy economy while Mazda rolls out the fuel-saving SkyActiv technology for the piston cars in its lineup.
Jim O'Sullivan, CEO of MNAO, recently was quoted as telling the press that "the rotary is alive and well within Mazda....and we are studying what's the best way to come back to the market with the rotary." That's not just a rumor.
Want more?
Did you read the Mazda Zoom Zoom magazine article from last Spring? They popped a H2 engine in an RX8, and took it out on the H2 highway in Norway.
"Unlike a piston engine, the Mazda rotrary engine is well suited to hydrogen fuel..Direct injection of hydrogen into the engine is required and the rotary has that covered - it's easier to place an additional injector in the inlet chamber of a rotary engine than on the side of the narrow cylinder head of a piston engine. Lastly, the rotary is better than a piston engine at combining the air-hydrogen mix because of its longer cycle. The result is a more uniform mixture for better combustion and a smoother power delivery." (Mazda Zoom Zoom magazine, page 31, Spring 2010 issue.)
Our region (so. cal.) has fueling station infrastructure in place. California has more people and have more cars than any other state does, so I don't agree that Hydrogen rotary power in an RX-8 or a Miata is a pipe dream. It could happen. Money talks. We all know that.
What is going on is that the hydrogen rotary engine R&D is back-burnered due to the lousy economy while Mazda rolls out the fuel-saving SkyActiv technology for the piston cars in its lineup.
Jim O'Sullivan, CEO of MNAO, recently was quoted as telling the press that "the rotary is alive and well within Mazda....and we are studying what's the best way to come back to the market with the rotary." That's not just a rumor.
Want more?
Did you read the Mazda Zoom Zoom magazine article from last Spring? They popped a H2 engine in an RX8, and took it out on the H2 highway in Norway.
"Unlike a piston engine, the Mazda rotrary engine is well suited to hydrogen fuel..Direct injection of hydrogen into the engine is required and the rotary has that covered - it's easier to place an additional injector in the inlet chamber of a rotary engine than on the side of the narrow cylinder head of a piston engine. Lastly, the rotary is better than a piston engine at combining the air-hydrogen mix because of its longer cycle. The result is a more uniform mixture for better combustion and a smoother power delivery." (Mazda Zoom Zoom magazine, page 31, Spring 2010 issue.)
i lived in cali for 25 years and only moved here a year ago. vegas also has 1.5 million people, so no excuse for lack of alternative fuels here either and has an abundance of electricity but no charging stations. E85 is at almost every pump as well as stations selling 100 octane fuel and biodiesel mixes at many diesel pumps. i believe the county actually requires all the taxis to run alternative fuels, most are hybrids or run on LGP(propane).
cali wastes so much money on attempting to keep ahead of the curve that it is sinking it's own ship. who pays for it? you do. you even pay for those camera lights that automatically send you a ticket in the mail, which were deemed illegal, but back on topic..
of course mazda doesn't want to let go of the rotary engine but it would require other manufacturers to go the same route on a large scale which i just don't see happening. in other words the engine is inefficient yet mazda attempts to try to convert it to an efficient engine.
they would be better served keeping it as a sport engine, lightening it up, focusing on the high rev powerband and even offering alternatives such as 3 and 4 rotor versions to keep up with the 300-500 horsepower sports cars of today. you just won't be seeing it compete with hybrids for efficiency and it is having a difficult time even meeting european emissions standards regardless of how much money they dump into it.
cali wastes so much money on attempting to keep ahead of the curve that it is sinking it's own ship. who pays for it? you do. you even pay for those camera lights that automatically send you a ticket in the mail, which were deemed illegal, but back on topic..
of course mazda doesn't want to let go of the rotary engine but it would require other manufacturers to go the same route on a large scale which i just don't see happening. in other words the engine is inefficient yet mazda attempts to try to convert it to an efficient engine.
they would be better served keeping it as a sport engine, lightening it up, focusing on the high rev powerband and even offering alternatives such as 3 and 4 rotor versions to keep up with the 300-500 horsepower sports cars of today. you just won't be seeing it compete with hybrids for efficiency and it is having a difficult time even meeting european emissions standards regardless of how much money they dump into it.
Last edited by RotaryEvolution; Oct 4, 2011 at 10:44 AM.
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i'm sure some will show but it certainly won't be the same as their hosted events.
i wouldn't blame the people who pushed to make sevenstock happen in the first place on the ones who participated, it did cost them money after all and it wasn't turned into a huge circus as an effort to sell everyone an 8.
i wouldn't blame the people who pushed to make sevenstock happen in the first place on the ones who participated, it did cost them money after all and it wasn't turned into a huge circus as an effort to sell everyone an 8.
I'm all for the Hydrogen Rotary, but we need more hydrogen fueling stations. If you build it, they may come. Or acquire a layer of dust.
As of March 2009, according to Greenwire, 24 hydrogen fueling stations were operating in California. As of January 2011, there were between 25 and 30, mostly in and around Los Angeles. As of July 2007 the state of California had 179 Fuel Cell Vehicles.
How do you road trip to Vegas?
As of March 2009, according to Greenwire, 24 hydrogen fueling stations were operating in California. As of January 2011, there were between 25 and 30, mostly in and around Los Angeles. As of July 2007 the state of California had 179 Fuel Cell Vehicles.
How do you road trip to Vegas?
no, but mazda shouldnt bail on the people whom supported their failure of a design according to them(mazda). This is one reason why they should have done a better job on the body, i love the design of the doors with no pillar. But gas wasnt very impressive, now that with the design looking like a stretched and warped out beetle, sorry everyone, what could be expected. They had many years to change the design and gas issues, but chose not to. But mazda still does use the rotary motor in racing so i dont see them totally trashing the rotary motor, but it might become harder to find motor parts.
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