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Originally Posted by AK86GXL
(Post 7569644)
It is cleaner, but still not clean enough. City buses and most truck in San Diego are CNG and with the low sulfer diesel...
Our problem is the shithole known as TJ. Their rigs run up here after topping off their tanks with cheap dirty diesel in Mexico. Although that is being addressed...they may have to dump/refuel w/ cleaner american gas and have stack scrubbers on any mexican trucks running in the US. ANother issue is cruise ships than run on fuel or bunker oil. The idle in port and they dump tons of shit into the air. San Diego is no where near as bad as the LA basin and I"m damn glad I don't live up there. |
Originally Posted by Dinnercoat
(Post 7569647)
I think the problem isn't with emissions law per se but rather the targeting of vehicle modification.
Hell we need to get a fucking Proposal on a ballot ... or something. Engine swaps, engine modification, should be perfectly legal so long as it passes a sniffer test and said modifications will not be a gross threat to other motorists. Now that last part could be vague. When I think gross threat, I think maybe, say driving around a car powered by a huge tank of unstable plutonium that is mounted to the rear bumper. You know, something really kooky. Seriously the car enthusiast/tuner crowd has to be large enough to where a proposal could be passed that would allow exemption for making car modifications so long as they meet emissions requiremens/pass sniffer tests. |
Originally Posted by The Wankler
(Post 7569674)
I guarentee my emssions removed T2 with a highflow cat runs cleaner then most vehicles its same age. Hell, I can control the A/F's on it curbing the stock gas hungry maps. The problem with the smog nazis, " MORE POWER MEANS MORE SPEWED EMISSIONS"....
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That's the only way I have a prayer of getting my Twin Turbo 13B-RE swapped S4 N/A to pass. BIG cat, Stoik run, low boost and just for jollies I'm going to toss a few restrictors in the exhast and plumb in an electric smog pump to really diloute it. As long as I pass the sniffer, I'm good to go far as I know. Not so much NAZI's here in ole CT.
As a note though I worked at a gas station in NY about 12 years ago. NY is emmisions testing every 6 months. So we had this 40k mile BMW that wouldn't pass the sniffer and a 220k mile saab that would. So he had me stand infront of the camera rebuilding an x-fer case while he took the sniffer out of the bmw and stuffed it into the saab :icon_tup: viola presto chango enission sticker |
I think you guys are taking a far to narrow view of California's problems. They are not specifically because of vehicles, in fact, they had similar problems with simply burning. The geography of California is such that most areas people inhabit are lower elevations or valley's. When the temperature different of the warm climate mixes with these natural "bowls" the smog settles and is not easily dislodged.
Cleaner vehicles are always a step in the right direction, but they will never fix California's problems. It is a combination of elevations, geography, climate, and population that caused the problem and will continue to cause the problem. |
Originally Posted by CasperIV
(Post 7569741)
I think you guys are taking a far to narrow view of California's problems. They are not specifically because of vehicles, in fact, they had similar problems with simply burning. The geography of California is such that most areas people inhabit are lower elevations or valley's. When the temperature different of the warm climate mixes with these natural "bowls" the smog settles and is not easily dislodged.
Cleaner vehicles are always a step in the right direction, but they will never fix California's problems. It is a combination of elevations, geography, climate, and population that caused the problem and will continue to cause the problem. You and your god damned logic! =P |
Irregardless, the health problems do exist and we still have to follow federal clean air guildlines. Which means we have to do what we can where we can to improve air quality. And where Cali goes, the USA follows.
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You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf The Future of Smog Check •Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality •All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII •2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices •2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed •Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases •Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices dohhhh. |
Originally Posted by DriveFast7
(Post 7569877)
You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf The Future of Smog Check •Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality •All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII •2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices •2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed •Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases •Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices dohhhh. |
Originally Posted by DriveFast7
(Post 7569877)
You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf The Future of Smog Check •Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality •All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII •2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices •2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed •Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases •Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices dohhhh. |
Originally Posted by Dinnercoat
(Post 7569683)
I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me.
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Originally Posted by The Wankler
(Post 7570015)
Just ranting Dinnercoat. I agree with you!
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Originally Posted by Dinnercoat
(Post 7570527)
You should buy my rebuilt 12A. :icon_tup:
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Originally Posted by BackyardSog
(Post 7569120)
None. If you get a traffic citation calling for illegal modifiacations you can pay the bail amount or see the state ref. The fine is usually about $300.
Originally Posted by Fumihiko
(Post 7569259)
god i love living in wa.
in 7 years my fc will be exempt or hell i could buy an sa or FB and already be. im sorry all you CA people
Originally Posted by DriveFast7
(Post 7569877)
You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf The Future of Smog Check •Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality •All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII •2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices •2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed •Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases •Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices dohhhh.
Originally Posted by unW7WZ
(Post 7569896)
OBD-III
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Yeah, but you don't have to drive.
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Originally Posted by AK86GXL
(Post 7570596)
Yeah, but you don't have to drive.
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I know this would never pass since the people that make and pass california's smog bills are all sterile boring souless ghouls that drive big biege boring cars, but here goes. They should come up wih an exemption for automotive modification, a minimum spending limit on engine modification must be imposed filter out ricers and chepo's that don't wanna pay for reapairs. After all the amount of actual number of enthusiasts that would benefit from this are so small it wouldn't make an impact.
BTW, cars should also be emissions exempt after 20yrs like here in WI. |
Originally Posted by aa35199
(Post 7570666)
I know this would never pass since the people that make and pass california's smog bills are all sterile boring souless ghouls that drive big biege boring cars, but here goes. They should come up wih an exemption for automotive modification, a minimum spending limit on engine modification must be imposed filter out ricers and chepo's that don't wanna pay for reapairs. After all the amount of actual number of enthusiasts that would benefit from this are so small it wouldn't make an impact.
BTW, cars should also be emissions exempt after 20yrs like here in WI. 1- CARB approved parts 2- cars that fail emissions at a test & repair facility or a Gold Shied Station have a maximum amount of $400 to repair the emssions failure. |
Originally Posted by DriveFast7
(Post 7569877)
You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.
http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf The Future of Smog Check •Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality •All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII •2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices •2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed •Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases •Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices dohhhh. You think thats evil, soon there are going to be SMOG TRAPS! http://www.dmvnv.com/news/02-157.htm |
Originally Posted by aa35199
(Post 7570690)
You think thats evil, soon there are going to be SMOG TRAPS!
http://www.dmvnv.com/news/02-157.htm |
Originally Posted by SINxSELEKTAH
(Post 7570682)
both issues have already been taken care of, but not in your perspective
1- CARB approved parts 2- cars that fail emissions at a test & repair facility or a Gold Shied Station have a maximum amount of $400 to repair the emssions failure. |
Originally Posted by aa35199
(Post 7570699)
LOL, you're right on, guess it was a classic case of posting with out thinking:)
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Originally Posted by BackyardSog
(Post 7569237)
For just getting a state ref ticket? There must have been more to it. My friend has had at least 3 state ref tickets. The cop even put a sticker on his car once that said he could not drive until it was inspected. Each time all he ended up having to do was pay the $300 ticket that comes in the mail if he diddn't want to deal with the ref inspection.
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Originally Posted by SINxSELEKTAH
(Post 7570698)
they've been doing that here since January
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boo..i hate smog law's.
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