California smog nazis strike again
 

I was looking for how many years the rolling exemption was and found it, and found it was being attacked by a bill to get rid of it.
I wrote an e-mail to the governator and afterwards further researched that I was too late and it has been passed and changed to 35 year rolling emissions, or 1976 and older. I am just about to get a beautiful 79 RX-7 and it would've been only 13 months away from being exempt in California. So please feel my pain.

link to what the new bill has enacted.
http://www.geocities.com/smogrfg/ab2683/ab2683.html


Here is the letter that I wrote to the governator:

My name is Ben Martin, and I am 23 years old and live in Stinson Beach in beautiful Marin County, Ca.
This e-mail is being sent as I am against the bill known as A.B. 2683, which would like to eliminate the 30 year rolling emissions exemption.

I am a huge car enthusiast. I appreciate and love all sorts of cars. Especially the classics. I think about cars at every spare moment I have to. They are my passion, my hobby and my love.
Unfortunately my classic is a 1979 RX-7 and has 13 months left to be exempt under the 30 year emissions exemption law. One of the first few months of the 1979-1995 run that my beloved RX-7 has had. It’s a beautiful sports car, and has all original paint, interior, engine, wheels, etc, etc. Original everything, including the archaic and problem ridden "thermal reactor" that was introduced before cats. This is not something you can just weld a catalytic convertor on to. It is literally a 100lb cast iron reactor bolted to the exhaust outlet of my motor. It works now, but is not going to work forever. And having a soon to be 30 year old car is something I was looking forward to. I keep my newer vehicles bone stock because of emissions and would love to personalize my classic with something other than this thermal reactor it is equipped with.

The people who wrote this bill could not be 1/3 of the car enthusiast that I am.
Don't force our beautiful classics off the road, or into bone stock only configuration. We car enthusiasts love them. We take care of them. We drive them to share them with everyone else on the road. California has so many beautiful classics still on the road being driven. Please don't ruin our fun. I get so excited and such a smile on my face when I see a beautiful, lovingly cared for classic car. I've never known so many beautiful cars on the road as in California and have fallen in love with this state for its many beauties.
Classic sports cars and muscle cars should be seen AND heard.

I am firmly against Bill A.B. 2683 which wants to get rid of the 30 year rolling emissions exemption! This is my first letter ever to any form of government politician, and is something I am passionate against. I am a young, ambitious and talented young man that has fallen in love with California as the 3rd state I have called my home. I don't want to live anywhere else now. My success in both life and career are growing exponentially since I have lived in California, and I am in love with life which is such a beautiful feeling.

Is it really possible that my letter could make any sort of difference in the government, let alone to governor Schwarzenegger? Show me, a young impressionable Californian and American what a letter to the right person can do. I love my new home state, my country and all of the cars I see on the road, and drive myself.
Veto A.B. 2683!

Thank you for listening,
Benjamin James Martin
PO Box ***
Stinson Beach, Ca 94970


P.S.
Oh no, minutes after writing this, I further researched the bill and have been horrified to find out that I am too late and A.B. 2683 has passed. I feel like crying. It further shows how californias smog nazis have cracked down on the car enthusiasts. The most important car enthusiast being myself. This is by far my most disliked attribute of the Great State of California, and tied together with the real estate prices is the only reason I would ever ever move away from this beautiful state that I have grown to love so quickly. I am dealing with renting, but now my dreams of having my very own classic car to keep shiny and beautiful and personalize into an experssion of my own self and love of cars are choked down to keeping it 100% stock or else it is not suitable for the road. I beg to differ!
I am so sad to have learned it like this after writing such a letter. My first letter to any form of government, squashed like a bug.....

I would like you to know that this will be the reason I move from California if that day ever happens. I can survive as a renter, but I cannot survive without my love of cars.

Sincerely dissapointed, distressed and sickened,
Benjamin James Martin

Like California actually cares about any of its residents.

God I hope that state breaks off into the Pacific. Escape from LA FTW.

I hope this doesn't become a nationwide emission standard. I hate that California thinks that its the sole responsibility of California to govern the world's emissions.

Fuck LA, I live in the bay area, at Stinson Beach in Marin County, just north of the Golden Gate Bridge. I live on the beach and the only way to suburbanite civilization is over my choice of 5 different 15 mile curvy mountain roads w/ world class breathtaking scenery.
-Ben Martin

boo hoo.

Guess what, due to all the people that live here in Cali we have really shitty air. And we are violating FEDERAL Clean Air standards. One of the many methods of coming into compliance is to make it so that any new car sold in Cali meets more stringent rules governing emissions. 6 other states have voluntairly joined forces with CAli to fight the EPA.

I'd rather breath clean air than worry about your car. Grow up.

Well said. But lets be realistic how many older classics could there really be? This just seems like one of those make ourselves feel morally good laws.

i wouldent stay up at night over it, detriot is throwing everything they got at nation wide federalized emissions laws, and its decades away from hittin where i live.

some people tried to pass some 35mpg standard for 2020, and the automakers of my state, have already bought enough loop holes in the bill to look similar to the bullet path of a darfur tent compound, a bad metaphor, but it suits their method, they really dont give a fuck, but states like cali, with tons of people and money and nazi emissions have turned the city into the urban battle field it is now, the people are truely strugglin. with the industry ass backwards, i wonder if itl get fixed.

look at it this way, if you dont like it nevadas close, and boomin with growth, so move,

calis a sest pool any ways, i lived in venice beach for 6 months, 1 more month i wouldda died, besides how good is a state that spawned the "high school reality" show.

its time to pack and escape:icon_tup:

coolio said it the best " as i walk through the valley, in the shadows of death"

he was tryin to say he couldent breathe, but michelle phiffer hadent tought him how to transfer his street vanacular G-bonics, into actual words yet. he saw it comming

o.... how can you say that, u drve a 7, you know how much gas it drinks, and how harmful it is for the kittens, either your a queer who drives a prius, similar to bufflo bob walking around with your weener tucked under, or you dont really understand how nazi they really are with their emissions laws their

what??? somebody translate please.

I have no idea what this retard is saying. He quotes Coolio (of all fucking people) and claims a new state of "Nevadas" is nearby.

Urban Battlefield over emissions? What the hell are you talking about? Are the people rising up against state inspectors or what? And exactly how are emission laws making people 'struggle'. For what? Breathable air?

Venice Beach is freak zone central, Cali is MUCH more than that twisted section of sand.

I don't drive a 7 and I don't drive a Pruis. But I do understand how bad the air quality is in this state due to the vast numbers of people. have you ever been to the Redlands east of LA? Perpetual SMOG 365 days a year.

The fact is that US automakers CAN make cars more fuel efficient AND pollute less, however, they don't WANT TO. It's just that simple. Cali will win, get over it. If Japanese automakers can make cars that are cleaner AND outsell US automakers than guess what, I don't care!

So to translate I think he's saying "I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about. But if I punch the keyboard enough times some letters may form words. I hope. I didn't pass 3rd grade but I think I know what I'm talking about. Now let me get back to my Hip Hop thread."

Yeah, once again, both of those are So Cal. I think LA is a shithole too. NorCal and West Marin are a different world.
Still a bunch of stuck up yuppies in prii' (plural of prius)

What's up with all the MI idiots lately?? I might have to be the "official" forum ebonics translator. I did it once for rotatech...

"Eh playa, I ain't feelin yo shit. Get tah my level son... peep dat shit."

aka

You're a fucking idiot. You're probably a Lincoln Park/Trenton/Monroe trailer park runner. Or you live on Gratchet.... either way :icon_tup:

You think all that pollution is cause by classic cars that don't pass smog?

:rofl::lol::rlaugh:

Nope, but every little bit helps. Esp when people drive in cars from other states. Even with out the law, a car may be smog exempt but is still required to have all OEM parts...meaning if it was sold with a catalytic converter, it better still have a functioning one on it.

You'll take my modded 7 from my cold dead hands AK86!!!!! If I can come Sat I'll bring it and let you drive.......before we drink!

I feel yo pain, brotha.

FAIL!!!!!!!!

please see my sig.

a smog exempt car (pre-76) MUST have OEM or CARB approved upgraded parts. if a smog exempt vehicle is (which is extremely rare) sited for illegal upgrades, it must be sent to either a Gold Shield Smog Station or Smog Ref to be CARB approved and must take, at minimum a TSI test (two speed idle)

Ya better show up. First coaster train leaves Old Town at 11:20...arrives 12:30. So I'll be there around 12:45. Be there!

Wait, so you're saying a car that was made in '65 and had no cat has to have an upgraded one on it?

PM me location of train. That way I can put it in my GPS.:icon_tup:

NO
if the car does NOT come with a catalytic converter, it doesn't need one.


what i'm saying is, this "1965" vehicle (for instance) has a 550CFM 2 barrel carburetor from the factory and the owner wants an upgrade. the owner can only (by CARB & BAR law) can only install a CARB approved carburetor for the engine.

My 7 is emissions exempt in a month. Woohoo! Of course, I've been running catless for quite some time, but still.

I'm afraid I have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone who willingly chooses to live in California.

ok i will actually type slow, south west california is a SHIT HOLE

that said, what is so good about toyota, their just as shady as the big 3 a few years ago, their cars are falling apart.

toyota cannot keep up with the demand, and still make a flawless product, eventually their going to take short cuts. their automobiles are now starting to show signs of auto maket fatigue.

explaination of detriot being an urban battle zone-

here whats worse than smog laws, is the unions

the only reason toyota did not try to build its american headquarters in detriot, (belive me toyota wanted nothing more than to build a tower scaling way higher than the GM building)

unions want 30 some odd dollars an hour to build cars, 5 years ago they used to get it, and had been sence the big 3 exploded into the conglomorates they are today, and when you have many plants, and workers with cash they tend to eventually find a female and procreate, and move near their work.

eventually the more wealthy move outta the city and into suburbs, which is usually a great thing.

now that they shieks with vats of oil are taxing their oil, and bush is running up the numbers on barrels, al gore is trying to convience t.v. minded americans that the day after tommorw is real( i blame all of california for its reality spin on t.v now people belive whatever is put through their screens ), and your govinator and his bullshit smog laws

i agree its not all one sided, the big 3 did fuck up there reputation quite a bitk, and gave the japs a posisition to step into the big spot

they did not strike back fast enough with cars people actually wanted.

but not that most of the fuckers in america, wont buy american,

WE here in michigan pay for it

i used to go to lafyettes and be able to buy a fucking hot dog from the coney island, and shit you could even eat it out side,

not some situation today, we have more homeless than new york, we have been number 1 and the murder capital list for united states cities for years now, and the niggers who took over the city, dont want it to get any better, they enjoy low property taxes, selling crack, and pimpin................if you think im jokeing, visit even the cobo center, or DIA, you cannot walk through the city, and now be bugged for cash, or asked to boss up by some fuckin homies, you NEED a gun to walk through the city, the have gaurds and gates at henry ford hospital to keep out all the yo's and the bro's, because they will fuck with you.

if you watched the superbowl and thought it looked alright, think again, the raised taxes for 4 years to clean up just that area, of gangs and graiffiti, just for the fucking super bowl, and had a significant part of the police's attetion diverted to rich tourist fucks who love football, while the rest of the city went unpatroled.

and if you dont thnk any of this is relevent,

think again, same thing where to happen to the whold world without oil, it will have lost the thing that makes it go.

you might not agree with the government, but you greenpeace tree hugging fucks who buy forgien, are really fucking up our economy.

quick sum up for those of you who dont follow

1 you buy toyota
2 japan get cash
3 dosent come back to detriot, the bread and butter of this fucking country
4 auto makers cant pay checks
5 people get poor
6 city gets worse
7 people move away
8 more gas used as well as money due to commute
9 city population gose down
10 crime goes up
11 taxes dont get paid
12 city falls apart
13 hippies in cali keep buying forgien
14 we all get fucked eventually

those of you in california really dont realize how much money is moveing through your state, yet you still remain the most un american state, you openly support homosexuality, the rape of young minds via television, the support of voters who elected a fucking machiene for a govener, and you all have the god/cailfornia complex that says" dude im the best cuz im from cail"

please accelerate your break off into your own island nation, and brake the fuck off from america.

fuck all you im done on this subject

California is now unamerican?:rlaugh:

yeah....:squint:

face it, more than half of californias citizens are literaly unamerican, the rest where formed through stratigic manipliation.

So whats the smog exemption rule now?

You should have brought up the point that you wanted to convert your automobile's exhaust to a catalytic converter and remove the thermal reactor so as to "improve fuel efficiency and improve exhaust emissions", however you cannot because you will fail the visual inspection when it is time to get the car smogged.

May or may not be true, but they won't know.

whats your definition of unamerican?

Wait......WHAT? Tree huggers ruining the country? I blame it on the ridiculous demands of unions. They are good, but given too much power ruin everything. Go ask someone living in phili about steel.

I believe that more overseas companies are building factories here than ever before. Rolls Royce is building a testing facility here, and hyundau built one in Alabama (somewhere south).
Actually I blame outsourcing.

Sure, we're mexican american :P



and blown rotor 89, mr all american patriot, go jump on a chevy or ford board you douche.


unfortunately for you, you live around a city based around american automobiles which have strived to suck for the past couple decades and are just barely getting their shit together.
If you don't like the shithole city of Detroit, move.


But I totally agree with you that south west california is a shithole, don't lump the rest of the state in w/ those jackasses.



SINxSELEKTAH: Does that mean that you have to keep the OE thermal reactor or only have the option of replacing it w/ a CARB approved header which maybe 1 or 2 for RX-7 exist and are very hard to find (hooker and some other muscle company have em CARB listed for RX).
What AM i allowed to do to the intake/exhaust?

lol i live in mexas. Texas + mexico = Mexas.....or Texico.

says you on a mazda forum. LOL

Or pay the fine and skip all that rubbish

I <3 Kansas. Miles of open road, no emissions, and the DMV kicks ass. Too bad I'm going to school in Missouri, everything in this state sucks...

speaking of DMV, I will give the cali dmv kudos.
It is at least 2 times better than the AZ and PA DMV's.
Love the roads too, just too many CHP and now this BS, oh well.

options:

• keep the OEM part(s)
• use CARB approved replacement/upgrade parts
• sell the car to CARB and/or BAR for money towards a new car

pay a fine? what illegal smog shop are you going to?

as much as people say they hate the DMV, i con cour with your statement. California DMV is on point with the affairs amongst their establishment. Good or Bad.

I wish we had illegal smog shops here still...they don't exist here anymore. :wallbash:

lol, BAR is trying to shut down all illegal smog shops or fine them heavily.

STORY:

vietnamese owned smog shop in business was shut down by BAR via sting operation. place was called "LUCKY AUTO REPAIR & SMOG" after the owner was sent to prison for doing illegal smog checks on vehicles, his brother took possesion of the property and re-opened it 2 weeks later doing the same illegal smog operations under a 'new' name called "LUC AUTO REPAIR & SMOG" :lol:

Since they took the KY out of the name do they charge more now- lol

pretty much... but either way, you're fucked if you have to go there for a test

None. If you get a traffic citation calling for illegal modifiacations you can pay the bail amount or see the state ref. The fine is usually about $300.

Yeah, a friend of mine got busted for an sr20 swap. Cost him $1200 for the bail amount lol

For just getting a state ref ticket? There must have been more to it. My friend has had at least 3 state ref tickets. The cop even put a sticker on his car once that said he could not drive until it was inspected. Each time all he ended up having to do was pay the $300 ticket that comes in the mail if he diddn't want to deal with the ref inspection.

You boy, are an idiot. & what good are you doing driving a foreign car? You're part of the problem fuckwad.


Feather - I JUST last week tried to renew the reg on my 7, I got a notice in big bold red flashing font - WE CANNOT RENEW YOUR REG UNTIL THIS VEHICLE PASSES EMMISIONS. :wallbash: So I started asking around and haven't found anything yet. Let me know what you find. I'm 4 years away from being excempt but am more than willing to pay the $660 in "repairs" to get the emmisions waiver.

god i love living in wa.
in 7 years my fc will be exempt or hell i could buy an sa or FB and already be.
im sorry all you CA people

My God, I get to play Whack-a-Mole with this douchebag!

You have to type slow so people can actually understand you. When you type fast, you spew forth verbal vomit no one wants to read.

What? They're still beating the pants off the big 3. No product that recieves daily use is going to be 'flawless' and they don't have to take shortcuts. They just increase capacity by building new plants IN AMERICA.

I have no idea of what argument you're trying to make. Detroit is a giant shithole of a city. One of the few cities that generally loses population year after year and has the highest murder rate in the country. Yeah, you win.

I cannot follow your argument flow...you start off saying that workers make $30/hr, marry, make more dough...then spin off about taxing oil (it's not), bush running up numbers (uh, what?) and then Arnold and his smog laws...mean what? Do you not read the news? The fact is the worldwide demand for oil is up and production is near stagnant. When there is more demand for a product and less of it to go around price goes up. Compound that with the fact that most of the major exporting countries are hostile to the US that market swings can occur. The Shieks aren't taxing the oil anymore...it's just supply vs. demand.

And exactly what's the argument about Al Gore?

Bush running up numbers? What?

And as I said before, Cali has to increase air quality standards to meed Federal guidelines. Current Federal emssion standards aren't tight enough for Cali to meet it's obligations. Which means it has to do more across a broader sector. Did you know that wood burning fireplaces may be banned? All that particulate matter collects to the east of the coastal cities. Cali implmented low-sulfer diesel to clean up the semi trucks and is pressing ahead for better stack scrubbers...

If American companies aren't selling the cars american's want to buy, then why should be purchase a lower quality product that won't make us happy? Detroit has done with with pickups though.

Yeah, as I said before. Plus this shows your racists side. And yet you have a thread about loving hip-hop. What? So America is at fault for your shitty city? Um...no. If it is as you believe that the automakers are the economy, which I'd agree with, then it's the automakers fault for not understanding trends and what the people want to buy. They refuse to innovate, to make cleaner, more efficient cars that are still stylish enough to be attractive. Forgien automakers don't have this problem. You have to realize times change and the automakers have failed to keep up with the times.

Whats the hell are you rambling about? Superbowl to world oil supplies? Why do you blame a sports team? Those rich tourist fucks probably brought needed revenue and attention to your shit hole city. If you disagree....sell the team off to another city. LA Lions has an interesting ring to it. The world is not going to run out of oil dimtwit. It's just going to get more expensive to buy.

No we're not. Most forgien cars are MADE here in the USA. Just not in Detroit b/c they're too smart to want to open in that rusting hulk of a city. The Big 3 are fucking over Detroit.

1. Or I could buy Honda
2. American workers are paid
3. Detroit is not the bread and butter of this country, you dipshit
4. Big 3 not making cars people want. They make better cars, Americans will buy them
5. Find a new job
6. City is a shit hole
7. Well, odds will improve they won't get murdered in Detroit
8. Live closer to work, but a MORE EFFICIENT CAR
9. It's a rotting city
10. See #7
11. your problem, not mine
12. again, your problem
13. I love how you blame californians. We're not the problem numbnuts
14. Detroit gets fucked due to poor decisions by domestic automakers. it won't impact me 1 bit.

Keep on hating the west dummy. We're the 3rd largest economy on earth, I know damn well how much is made here. You want to talk bread and butter, if cali goes down, it'd bankrupt the nation. Then where will you be?

Who says we're un-American? I take issue with that! Because I don't drive a POS Ford? I could care less if homo's want to marry, again it's not going to affect me. Raping young minds with TV? Yeah, that's why I don't have cable or network broadcast into my home. You don't want to see it, don't watch it. ANd it's usually shows about poor stupid fucks from Detroit anyway.

Arnold has done fairly well in this big and diverse state. He's well liked, and doing what needs to be done.

Peace.

The air is the cleanest it has been in the last 2 decades. California is all about Liberal Control. I am fine with regulations, but make them accross the board. The fking city trucks/busses ect are gross poluters. Start with them. But FUCK the strict laws.

While this was a good read, You wasted more time with this cockdrainer than he is worth - /blwn

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

It is cleaner, but still not clean enough. City buses and most truck in San Diego are CNG and with the low sulfer diesel...

Our problem is the shithole known as TJ. Their rigs run up here after topping off their tanks with cheap dirty diesel in Mexico. Although that is being addressed...they may have to dump/refuel w/ cleaner american gas and have stack scrubbers on any mexican trucks running in the US.

ANother issue is cruise ships than run on fuel or bunker oil. The idle in port and they dump tons of shit into the air. San Diego is no where near as bad as the LA basin and I"m damn glad I don't live up there.

I think the problem isn't with emissions law per se but rather the targeting of vehicle modification.

Hell we need to get a fucking Proposal on a ballot ... or something.

Engine swaps, engine modification, should be perfectly legal so long as it passes a sniffer test and said modifications will not be a gross threat to other motorists. Now that last part could be vague. When I think gross threat, I think maybe, say driving around a car powered by a huge tank of unstable plutonium that is mounted to the rear bumper. You know, something really kooky.

Seriously the car enthusiast/tuner crowd has to be large enough to where a proposal could be passed that would allow exemption for making car modifications so long as they meet emissions requiremens/pass sniffer tests.