x2...the main reason for the swap forum links being posted to begin with was because of the crap we've had to put up with in our corner. there was almost no moderation in the OEC section for several years and we've been forced to our own little nest.

 

I'm looking at where the nest is now and trying to figure out the best way, that takes as little effort on the Admins part as possible, to retitle or section out engine management sub-boards from flat-out engine stuff...so that "10B", 20B and Other Engine Conversions would have their own spot away from "Rotary Car Performance" and be separated from the Alt Fuels, Aux Injection and NA Performance Forum sub-boards under that header.

 

Common Sense. You lack it. You also lack the ability to set policy which explains why you're so adamant about defending it despite it being heavily flawed.

The other site has such a different target audience it is not logical to categorize it as an Rx7 related site because there is no attrition rate to your audience. Rx7club is full of die hard rotary fans that want nothing to do with engine swapping.

It seems Blake just needs to get in touch with IB staff that can actually get something done here.

 

From diplomacy to a "Lounge" response.

No wonder no one ventures in here. One Lounge is enough.

 

What makes you think I've not done that?

They could care less about anything but bucks, which is typical corporate behavior. Fine, no biggie. Working with some friends of mine at Google on other stuff anyway.

 

Ya we are just stuck between the rock and a hard place. We lost the site everyone knew to go to and wanted to make sure no one was left out in the transfer to the new site. All we ask for is a little help making sure we get our target members back and we get shot in the foot for it.

Thanks

 

digitalsolo is correct in stating that PM's is the way to go on that...I believe it allows 20 recipients for each PM sent.

 

FWIW guys, that really seems like the best bet.

And Mario, whether you believe me or not, I was just giving you some flack for the heck of it. I know this isn't your call, though I stand by my opinion that management here is hurting themselves more than helping.

Oh well, more their problem than my own.

 

The difference is, enforcing speeding laws is to protect the community. Your rules are to protect someone's wallet. I wouldn't mind being a moderator or admin for the sake of helping out the community and keeping things running smoothly, making things run smoother, etc., but I would definitely back out if it turned into being an unpaid employee for someone making money off of my altruistic volunteering.

If this site were owned by enthusiasts, even just rotards, there's no doubt they wouldn't have a problem making an exception for a forum that doesn't seek to take any of the usual visitors from here. It's one thing for the crowd over at nopistons, where it's a community of Club-bashing, but lots and lots and LOTS of posts have been made at both V8RX7Forum (profiteer extraordinaire there) and now at norotors that reference RX7Club.

"You'd be better off asking this question at the club." "Here's a link to a discussion at the club on that topic." "I did some searching at RX7Club and came up with some ideas," the list goes on. We've got vendors on those sites linking to their group buys on this forum! The sites are assumed and intended to be used in conjunction, and it's VERY clear that the owner doesn't have any malicious intent or hidden agenda. If you want to get pedantic about your rule book:
Norotors is not a competing forum. The owners and the userbase in general encourages use of both sites, and anyone with a question on something that isn't swap related knows they're better off here. Your rule understandably says it includes RX7 related forums, however, it doesn't say it includes all of them, and it doesn't have to. You gave us this forum as "our little corner," way back when a piston 7 was a novel idea. The corner isn't big enough now, and the staff here didn't let it grow, and there was still plenty of riff-raff coming in calling everyone rednecks. We had to take it into our own hands, and none of the members on the swap sites have left this one behind, as would be the case with the sort of RX7 Related forums that the rule is trying to protect against.


Now it's less like enforcing speeding tickets, and more like telling Girl Scouts they can't sell cookies at a bank because of your "No Solicitors" rule. This is the sort of reason IB has such a bad rap, and you better believe you're going to catch some flak for enforcing a rule that has no interest in the community or anyone but the suits running the show, especially when you're volunteering to withhold useful, harmless information from your users. Not asking you to change your rule, I'm asking you to make an exception and understand why it should be one.

 

My actual point was about getting caught breaking rules.

Sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you don't.


It's def not for everybody but there are perks that make up for being unpaid.


Hopefully, the bolded red section will clear that confusion up.


Points well made. I'm going to direct the rest of the Moderators, SuperMods and Admins to this thread. We need to bang all this out and come to a decision if an exception to the rule is warranted. There are some in that group who are also taken aback at what has transpired, so a thorough airing, as long as it doesn't devolve into anymore "Lounge Lizard" style posting, is a good idea whose time may have come.

Mario III

 

I got that, and I always understand to take it as a blessing when you've gotten away with something in the past, but I think it was allowed in the past because it wasn't hurting the site any, in that nobody was saying "go here instead." Anyone who moderated this section saw how much the name came up, but the new forum is getting name-dropped as a part of our efforts to try to rebuild the swappers community, which always has been, and always will be a part of the RX7 community.

I understood all parts of the rule. My case was that being an RX7-specific site normally makes a forum a competitor by default (which seems to be implied by the rule), and that's not the case here.[/quote]


Thanks for taking it into consideration. If someone on the club wants to find more info on swapping, they're going to get to the other forum eventually. We might as well try to keep things amicable as long as pretty much every active member of the other forum is an active member of this one, as well.

I assume you haven't been there much before, but one of the pitfalls of the old forum that's come up a few times is that it's such a technically-focused and project-oriented database that it's just a tool to most people, and once they're done with the swap, they don't come back. There's a lot more "hanging out" that goes on
here. Come to think of it, we don't even have a general car chat forum...

Forgot to mention, there's a Conversions and Hybrids section on LS1Tech for all kinds of cars getting LS swaps, and it's the same case: We outgrew that subforum, but still rely on and frequent that site for its general purpose, and pretty much everyone on the V8RX7Forum/norotors is expected to do some research there if they want to get work done.

 

FWIW guys, I think Mario is doing all he can to try to "have our back" as it is.

 

You know you move and get really busy with work and than when you want to go back to getting some new knowledge about your swap you can't cause it is no longer there. That is a shame man

 

yea that realysucks. i was getting ready to start the swap in my fd but now it is guna b even harder since the site is gone. o well guess that means il have to do a lil more research on my own

 

There's enough knowledge just among the members posting in this thread to do any swap there is. PM one or two asking about specific info you don't have, or for the link to the website that will have the info. There's no reason to abandon your swap just because some people got into a pissing contest on the internet.

 

Well now, it's been about a week since I linked this thread in the Mod board and I see no one from "staff" has bothered to take a look and offer an opinion.

Y'all have seen what I'm thinking as far as reorganizing the sub-boards to separate this V8 swap stuff from being under a rotary titled board. Since it was already deemed that "Common Sense. You lack it," I'm willing to listen to other scenarios for board titles and sub-groupings under that title before I make a push for the change.

 

This is my .02.

Even with this board buried, there is a neverending parade of fools (flock of tards if you will) that come in to start sh*t with the swap guys. I think giving it a more prominent position will worsen that, and may well disenfranchise a larger portion of the rotary people (the main user base) than it appeases the smaller swap guys. That issue is one of the reasons that most of the swap guys stick to the "swap specific" forum for their swap information.

Just my take.

 

Me too! I'm in the middle of my swap but had to leave to deploy to Afghanistan! That sucks
good thing I have eat-pez's number.

 

Agreed. This forum is a joke. Am I being too harsh? There's a sticky at the top of this forum with the rules for posts here. The most posted thread is titled "Why do you dislike v8 engines in rx7s", which is in violation of the rules (as is a large portion of the posts in it).

Want to be an asset to the swap community?
ENFORCE THE RULES!

Otherwise let us post where swap discussions can be done without some asshats posting how a v8 is 2x the weight/you're ruining the soul/some other stupidity.

 

I already have an FD I'm currently swapping a V8 in, and for a while I thought about purchasing another pristine 1 owner FD and keep it rotary! But just to be an asset to the v8 swap community Ill do another swap.... I just love the power and torque of the LS motors can achieve... No disrespect to the die hard rotary guys but like what is mentioned in many occasions before, it's my car and it's up to me what is to be done with it...stay cool!

 

No, you just need to calm down. Tell me, is anyone actually reporting this stuff? All the mods get emails telling them of reported posts. I don't remember seeing any being reported where the reason is "no need for this clown to be messing up our thread," which is what we are essentially looking for. This ain't the Lounge. There are rules but we can't be everywhere. Just look at how many posts come up all the time:

https://www.rx7club.com/vaispy.php

There's just no way. We depend on self-enforcement and reporting. If it hacks you off, then report it. If the thread you say is sticky'd is here on your sub-board, it's about to take a ride to the Lounge where it belongs.

Mario III

 

Actually I did report the thread months back. Nothing happened.

The thread that is sticky'd is the rules for posting. The "why you don't like v8s" isn't and should be moved to the lounge.

 

i dont visit a forum for 3 months and the owner gets a vagina and shuts it down. what a selfish way to be.

 

FYI, since this seemed the best place to post, the "new forum" is down for a bit. We have a power issue at our datacenter, and I need to get in to move the server, which is going to take a bit of time. So, if anyone comes here looking for info, that's what's up. We'll be back up shortly.

-Blake

 

Ditto.