Yea my post got deleted like these others are worth keeping.
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And POMAN you still claiming to live in DC?
LOL Springfield right?

























Yea whatever.

cdk 4219 - what exhaust headers are you running with the s/c LS1 in your FD? Also have you had it to the dyno or down the track? What rwhp or mph you making with it???

STEPHEN

How many times does he have to say it? The PFC is STAND ALONE, meaning it REPLACES the stock ECU. You don't leave it in there. I know it's not that tough of a concecpt to grasp. Sometimes I think you are more of a board troll then someone who wants to contribute something to our forum...:rolleyes:

Seriously, you need to watch it. You can like your V8 conversion all you want, but you have no business coming here calling Rotary Fans 'Rotards'. That's being over aggressive and I hope the Moderators have some words with you. If you don't have anything good to contribute to our 'Rotary Forum' please leave us in peace.

Ummm...2>what's it hacking??? See 1.

It's the truth as YOU see it. I'm fine with that, but there is no need to insult us, our forum or our members because you don't like the design of the rotary. If you have nothing good to contribute, stop bothering us.

I never said one is better than the other. All I said is it's the way YOU see it. You don't need to come here preaching your V8 conversion ways every day. I don't care what you do with your car or what you like/dislike, that's not my concern. I wasn't bothered until you called us Rotary Fans 'Rotards'. That was a rude and uncalled for insult.

And as far as people putting DC-10 wings on their cars with ugly body kits, I agree with you there, but you can't make people stop spending their money on what they see as 'cool'.

I agree with bricke. You are being very disrespectful to us, resorting to name calling and other childish behaviour. And many of your statements, such as the PFC being a piggyback ECU and a 'hack' (whatever that means, could you explain yourself?) are just plain false.

You actually take out the Stock ECU unit and put in the PFC so it entirely replaces it, leaving nothing of the stock unit in place. You can use the PFC with the seq setup or with single.

Why do you guys continue to argue with him? Let him speak whatever he feels. Only a fool can argue by himself... and he probably will!!!! :soapbox:

Guess what, the PFC was designed SPACIFICALLY for the RX7, it requires NO tuning at all to surpass the power made by a stock LS1 and only light tuning after that point....which since your praising LS1 edit so much which is after all an aftermarket tuning tool your going to run into the same tuning issues with the LS1. You keep talking about this great GM computer but I havent seen IT do anything without the AFTERMARKET ls1edit computer you attach to it so your still going aftermarket to get the function out of it. And on top of that it doesnt have near the function of a Power FC

Last how do you like this for a power band???? Here is my persona dyno on 93 pump gas from Chevron.....
http://66.216.67.51/images/products/dynos/dynograph.jpg

Here is the stock LS1 dyno......
http://www.ls1.com/link_dyno1.html

Tell me man, which one of those has a more broad POWER band??? I see my car having a nice level power band for my ENTIRE shift area. I see the LS1 having a very peakish power band that only last for about 200-250rpms. As a matter of fact your low end power is only substantially greater from 3500 and down. I didnt even tune my car below 3500-4000rpms which is why the rwhp curve sags a bit. If you level out my line which is what would happen with a bit of tuning you'll notice the low rpm advantage you have quickly starts to diminish. I didnt even tune that area cause I didnt care, I dont race my car at 3000rpms.

I'm sure to you though 3000rpms will be important since your only going to be taking it up to about 5500. 3000rpms is at 55% of your total rpm range which is like 4500rpms for a 13B. Guess what by the standard of % of total rpm I'm making much more power than your stock LS1 and for a much broader rpms range.

Sure the LS1 has a nice broad tq curve, so what, tq isnt the number that makes your car fast. The rwhp within your shift points is what makes a car fast. I'll tell ya what though, you drop that LS1 in a truck and I'm sure it'll pull one hell of a boat....or wait did GM already do that???

I personally am open a host of ideas and am very open minded. I live in Alabama and am friends with a TON of V8 guys. I have nothing against V8's but I just cant see good reason for doing a swap when I can have MORE power potential without a swap. Sure maybe the LS1 is more reliable, but you know what, PineappleRacing offers a 5 year 60K mile warrenty so why not just get that.

You want to make some more valid points??? I'd like to hear them

STEPHEN

BTW - How do I make those dyno sheets actually show up???

STEPHEN

You're basing your opinion of the PFC on pure speculation. You have no idea whether or not the PFC is better than the GM PCM. The fact that the GM PCM is original equipment on the GM is irrelevant.

I know it's been said about half a dozen times before, but the PFC is STAND ALONE ecu! The stock computer is completely removed! It's not there! It is not needed!

This is all about to get to the point of BS. To each his own.

I have owned my FD for just over a year, and it is the best sports car I have ever had. By best I mean it has never left me without a smile on my face. I have owned an M3 and WS6 TA as well as a host of other cars that I wouldn't consider sports cars.

I throughly enjoy my slightly modded, 250 RWHP, rotary. Am I courious about how the car would be with an LS1/T56 combo? Absolutely, I regularly run with my friends Legenfelter 485 FWHP C5 and can only imagine what that engine would be like in my FD. Awesome I would say.

I do think the LS1 conversion will end up more reliable in the long run, but not cost effective for the average FD owner. I will cross that bridge when I have problems with my current set up, which I have been running on for 15k miles without issue.

I tell you this, it is good to have the options and I fully support Hinson for what he has accomplished.

Hey, I'm just glad people are still doing this kind of stuff! It's called hot rodding people...I think it'll be a sad, sad day when people stop doing engine swaps and what not. Just cause the factory made it that way doesn't mean it's the ONLY way it can be!

Don't get your panties all crumpled cause somebody wants to tinker with their car. And at the same time, those that are tinkering...don't get all pissy with the people who don't agree with what you are doing.

What's the point in trying to convince anyone that your way is 'better' than theirs??? It's their car, and if they don't agree...let it be.

It has nothing to do about hot rodding... what he is doing is being another form of a redneck...
Chevy Guy: "My Chevy Silverado is better than your Ford F150"
Ford Guy: "Well, I got that there lightenin' conversion done to mine and it will whip that Chevy POS"
Chevy Guy: "I'd rather push my Chevy POS than drive that Faggot Ford F150"
Ford Guy: "Speakin' of faggots, seems live you gettin' fucked up the ass with that there Chevy"

And so on....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cdk 4219
[B]I have 2 LS1 converted RXs, an 88 TII LS1 T56 and a 93 LS1 t56 with an intercooled supercharger as well as a 93 R1 CYM with a street ported engine.

Interesting how you show your face here to spout off a bunch of biased bs about rotary vs. piston but you won't reply to the cahallenge you issued to Nocab. Guess you must be search for more boost out of that procharger or figuring out how to hook up that new nitrous oxide system.

Come put your money where your mouth is!!!

Jack

Yea, I agree it has NOTHING to do with the fact that he want to trow in a LS1, I couldnt care less. I say more power to him and I hope he loves it. I have a close friend in the middle of his and also think Brian Hinson is a great guy and turned out a nice product.

What I dont like is uninformed people bashing the 13b and giving thier "advice" on what is better when its obvious they know NOTHING about modding a 13b. How could he possibally know whats better, has more potential, and is more cost effective when its obvious he doesnt know jack about modding/tuning a 13b??? He didnt even know what a Power FC was and its been the biggest thing to hit the FD aftermarket for the past 2 years.

STEPHEN

tbielobockie: You hurt our cause when you flame people. We should have tolerance for them just like they should have tolerance for us. It's one thing to argue JUST facts and another to call people names.

The more you disparage the PFC, the more your disparagement reveals your knowledge of the PFC which I have had in my car for 3+ years now.

Like I said before, YOUR ASSERTIONS ARE APPLICABLE ONLY TO THE PETER FARRELL PMS!!! I AGREE THAT THE PMS IS A HALF-ASSED SOLUTION. THAT IS WHY I WAITED 7 YEARS FOR THE PFC.

The PFC has a separate 20X20 cells for fuel maps, separate maps for leading/trailing; sequential operation and you can control the sequence timing; you can change injector size by typing in the injector size through a laptop, you can datalog all operating parameters and with a wideband sensor if you so inclined.


The great thing with the PFC is that I can trade maps with a PFC user (with the required software and laptop) anywhere in the world over the internet using a wireless connection when I'm in my garage.

One other thing, your fanaticism with the LS-1 conversion is breathtaking: we're the infidels who do not believe in V-8 with the humongous mountain of torque. We have not realized the "truth" as you see it until you've bludgeoned us over the head with UNSUPPORTED facts. In the 8 years that I've owned my car, the longest that it has been sitting around is two months while it's painted. It has never sat around without the ability to move under its power unlike yours which has been sitting around for at least 3 months now while you reinvent the car. So get your car moving and convince us of its true operational merits (FACTS like corner weighing, skid pad data, acceleration, reliability, dyno numbers) because you're the one who is trying to convert us to your view of the "TRUTH"!

Unlike you, I have no interest in convincing you of the merits of the rotary or any other engines. The rotary is sufficiently elegant that even PISTONS maker like Ford has deemed valuable enough to retain. I like each engine for its merits and strong points.

So the very least you can do is to investigate a little more about the PFC before disparaging it. Please do so because you had some credibility prior to your disparagement of the PFC. If you're not credible on the PFC when you claimed to know so much about it, how can you be credible on other issues of the conversion?

Yes I'm in the DC area and actually I live in Alexandria. Why do you ask?

All I have to say is....
 

All I have to say is.......if a piston engine is soooo superior to a rotary.....WHY did LEMANS have it removed from racing. Superior engine? Maybe.........


Just my 2 cents


:D


Love the triangles

besides
 

it is impressive to get that sort of performance out of such a small engine. I feel that the RX-7 is an exotic. Anyone can run a piston engine.......Rotary :D That is what makes it exotic. If pistons are soooo great why do these guys with the cash buy a 3 rotor and drop it into the fd and run it when they are not running a porsche or what not. The alure of the FD is the engine. Yea it can be a pain to deal with..........tell me what exotic isnt.


If you drop in an LS1 then it is no longer an exotic.....it is just another fast car that its body lines look SIMILAR to a vette BUT has the American Power Plant.

I would LOVE to have a reliable rotary engine that would destroy pistons engine in a single bound!

It is not the engine that is not reliable it is the lack of knowledge and the temperance of the beast that makes it hard to deal with.

Just got to deal with it in a differnent mannor than that of a piston engine.


RESPECT still has to be given to the rotary. Impressive?

I think so.

and
 

and remember

"Its not nice to rice"

;) :D

Re: Re: besides
 

If you're going to say that, let's look at the number of piston powered "cars" in the world and the number of people who know what a rotary engine is.

I can't count the # of times I have to explain, NO my car is not a V8 or V6, it's a "ro·ta·re"