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Originally Posted by rx7litre
I run a 275/50/R15 out back on mine, which is about 28" with no load and 26.5" under load.
Come on up. I'll show you the fastest streetlegal rx7 in CFL.
Come on up. I'll show you the fastest streetlegal rx7 in CFL.
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Ya, I'll make sure to post the new dyno graph after I swap out my dented 1 5/8" headers for clean 1 7/8" ones.
BTW, that was all motor. It'll look a little different when I grab my 300 shot.
BTW, that was all motor. It'll look a little different when I grab my 300 shot.
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Damn, "Fastest RX in CFL"......huh...........Maybe in Central, but definetly not in SFL!!! Ill have my "just as much a street car as yours" RX down here in a little bit. I still have full interior/stereo with Tvs and will drive the street all the time. If youd like to put some $,$$$ where that mouth is we can find out who has the fastest "streetable" rx7 in FL.
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Originally Posted by wingsfan
Last I checked Nitrous wasn't street legal in any state.
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechSer.../NOSTech5.html
Q: Does NOS manufacture 50-state legal nitrous systems?
A: Yes. In fact, NOS has several EO numbers for various kits such as the 5.0L Mustang and 305/350 GM V8's, etc. In addition, there is no need to remove any smog equipment when installing an NOS system
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Headers are not street legal, I dont care what state. Also your nitrous system may be street legal, but having your system running with the bottle full Im pretty sure is not. Either way your not street legal.
AND STOP AVOIDING THAT QUESTION-
HOW 'BOUT THAT RACE?!$!$!$!$!$!
AND STOP AVOIDING THAT QUESTION-
HOW 'BOUT THAT RACE?!$!$!$!$!$!
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Originally Posted by RageRace
Headers are not street legal
Obviously that engine won't even come close to passing emissions for the year of car it's in, so it's not street legal in any state. However, headers are legal for use on many cars which either A) do not have to pass emissions because of their age, or B) for which emissions equipment is not affected (Corvette, for example).
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Well thanks to good old Volusia county, FL I don't need to pass emissions or any sort of visual inspection. And since the car is tagged and insured, it is perfectly street legal here.
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Originally Posted by RageRace
Headers are not street legal, I dont care what state. Also your nitrous system may be street legal, but having your system running with the bottle full Im pretty sure is not. Either way your not street legal.
AND STOP AVOIDING THAT QUESTION-
HOW 'BOUT THAT RACE?!$!$!$!$!$!
AND STOP AVOIDING THAT QUESTION-
HOW 'BOUT THAT RACE?!$!$!$!$!$!
If you've got something to prove then you should be there.
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My rod wont be ready by then but if you think youll be ready by around March we can go at it for sure. We can do it at Moroso/Gainsville, wherever. But there arent any free rides here, you better bring your piggybank.
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Originally Posted by rx7litre
So you're touting a car that isn't even on the road yet?
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Originally Posted by jimlab
And what exactly are you doing? Your engine runs and you've had the car dyno'd apparently, but have you gone to the track yet, or tried to "grab your 300 shot" yet? I see no difference. Let's see some video of a quarter mile pass or a few time slips for your car.
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Originally Posted by rx7litre
You probably haven't driven enough 8/9 second cars to be able to tell what one feels like on the street, so I'll just chalk up your comment to inexperience.
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Originally Posted by rx7litre
NOS and Edlebrock both make several 50 state legal kits. Granted, I dont think mine is one of them.
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechSer.../NOSTech5.html
Q: Does NOS manufacture 50-state legal nitrous systems?
A: Yes. In fact, NOS has several EO numbers for various kits such as the 5.0L Mustang and 305/350 GM V8's, etc. In addition, there is no need to remove any smog equipment when installing an NOS system
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechSer.../NOSTech5.html
Q: Does NOS manufacture 50-state legal nitrous systems?
A: Yes. In fact, NOS has several EO numbers for various kits such as the 5.0L Mustang and 305/350 GM V8's, etc. In addition, there is no need to remove any smog equipment when installing an NOS system
Also, per EPA guidleines you can't legally drop in an engine that's older than the chassis.
Your car may be plenty fast, but your assertion that it's street legal is laughable. Just because you have a sticker and a license plate doesn't make it street legal either. Hell, every US spec FD on this forum was street legal at some point, and the minute you remove the precat/cat they're not, despite the fact they're still registered and plated.
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Originally Posted by wingsfan
Yup, the kits are legal, but it's not legal to have the bottle full and connected in the car, or to use it. Kind of like in Texas I can carry a concealed loaded gun, but i'm not free to discharge it wherever I please.
Also, per EPA guidleines you can't legally drop in an engine that's older than the chassis.
Your car may be plenty fast, but your assertion that it's street legal is laughable. Just because you have a sticker and a license plate doesn't make it street legal either. Hell, every US spec FD on this forum was street legal at some point, and the minute you remove the precat/cat they're not, despite the fact they're still registered and plated.
Also, per EPA guidleines you can't legally drop in an engine that's older than the chassis.
Your car may be plenty fast, but your assertion that it's street legal is laughable. Just because you have a sticker and a license plate doesn't make it street legal either. Hell, every US spec FD on this forum was street legal at some point, and the minute you remove the precat/cat they're not, despite the fact they're still registered and plated.
Also, there is no federal law stating that you engine can't be older then your chassis. That's regulated at the state level, and as far as I know they only state with that law is cali. There is definatly no such law in florida. Every car show you go to has tons of motor swaps and tons of cops. They all play well together.
The only thing I care about is being able to drive down the street right next to / in front of a cop and not get pulled over. And if I do get pulled over for something else, nothing about my car will cause him to start snooping around looking for something to bust me on. If I can pass that test then nothing else really matters.
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http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...S/BigShot.html
The key sentence is at the bottom of the page.
Not legal for sale or use on pollution controlled motor vehicles in the United States.
From another N.O.S. kit:
http://www.holley.com/TechDocs/Instr.../199R10284.pdf
See page 2
IT IS NOT LEGAL TO ENGAGE NITROUS OXIDE INJECTION SYSTEMS ON PUBLIC ROADS OR
HIGHWAYS. NITROUS OXIDE INJECTION SYSTEMS ARE ONLY TO BE ENGAGED DURING
SANCTIONED COMPETITION OR RACING EVENTS.
There most certainly is. Start reading under Part A. Federal Law.
As for it being regulated at the state level it clearly states that the State is not required to fail a car that fails to meet the Federal Law
http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf
The key sentence is at the bottom of the page.
Not legal for sale or use on pollution controlled motor vehicles in the United States.
From another N.O.S. kit:
http://www.holley.com/TechDocs/Instr.../199R10284.pdf
See page 2
IT IS NOT LEGAL TO ENGAGE NITROUS OXIDE INJECTION SYSTEMS ON PUBLIC ROADS OR
HIGHWAYS. NITROUS OXIDE INJECTION SYSTEMS ARE ONLY TO BE ENGAGED DURING
SANCTIONED COMPETITION OR RACING EVENTS.
Originally Posted by rx7litre
Also, there is no federal law stating that you engine can't be older then your chassis.
As for it being regulated at the state level it clearly states that the State is not required to fail a car that fails to meet the Federal Law
http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf
UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20460
ENGINE SWITCHING FACT SHEET
UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20460
March 13, 1991
OFFICE OF AIR AND RADIATION
Pursuant to frequent requests for information received by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA) regarding the legality and effects of engine switching, this document will summarize federal law
and policy pertaining to this matter, and will discuss other related issues.
A. Federal Law
The federal tampering prohibition is contained in section 203(a)(3) of the Clean Air Act (Act), 42
U.S.C. 7522(a)(3). Section 203(a)(3)(A) of the Act prohibits any person from removing or rendering
inoperative any emission control device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine prior to its sale and delivery to an ultimate purchaser and prohibits any person from
knowingly removing or rendering inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and
delivery, and the causing thereof. The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section by a
manufacturer or dealer is $25,000; for any other person, $2,500. Section 203(a)(3)(B) of the Act
prohibits any person from manufacturing or selling, or offering to sell, or installing, any part or
component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine where a
principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, and where the person
knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or is being installed for
such use. The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section is $2,500.
EPA received many questions regarding the application of this law to a situation where one engine is
removed from a vehicle and another engine is installed in its place. EPA's policy regarding "engine
switching" is covered under the provisions of Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. lA
(Attachment 1). This policy states that EPA will not consider any modification to a "certified
configuration" to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that emissions
are not adversely affected. In many cases, proper emission testing according to the Federal Test
Procedure would be necessary to make this determination.
A "certified configuration" is an engine or engine chassis design which has been "certified" (approved)
by EPA prior to the production of vehicles with that design. Generally, the manufacturer submits an
application for certification of the designs of each engine or vehicle it proposes to manufacture prior to
production. The application includes design requirements for all emission related parts, engine
calibrations, and other design parameters for each different type of engine (in heavy-duty vehicles), or
engine chassis combination (in light-duty vehicles). EPA then "certifies" each acceptable design for use,
in vehicles of the upcoming model year.
For light-duty vehicles, installation of a light-duty eng~ne into a different light-duty vehicle by any
person would be considered tampering unless the resulting vehicle is identical (with regard to all
emission related parts, engine design parameters, and engine calibrations) to a certified configuration of
the same or newer model year as the vehicle chassis, or if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that
emissions are not adversely affected as described in Memo 1A. The appropriate source for technical
information regarding the certified configuration of a vehicle of a particular model year is the vehicle
manufacturer.
For heavy-duty vehicles, the resulting vehicle must contain a heavy-duty engine which is identical to a
certified configura- tion of a heavy-duty engine of the same model year or newer as the year of the
installed engine. Under no circumstances, however, may a heavy-duty engine ever be installed in a
light-duty vehicle.
The most common engine replacement involves replacing a gasoline engine in a light-duty vehicle with
another gasoline engine. Another type of engine switching which commonly occurs, however, involves
diesel powered vehicles where the diesel engine is removed and replaced with a gasoline engine.
Applying the above policy, such a replacement is legal only if the resulting engine-chassis configuration
is equivalent to a certified configuration of the same model year or newer as the chassis. If the vehicle
chassis in question has been certified with gasoline, as well as diesel engines(as is common), such a
conversion could be done legally.
Another situation recently brought to EPA's attention involves the offering for sale of used foreign-built
engines. These engines are often not covered by a certified configuration for any vehicle sold in this
country. In such a case, there is no way to install such an engine legally. EPA has recently brought
enforcement actions against certain parties who have violated the tampering prohibition by performing
illegal engine switches.
It should be noted that while EPA's policy allows engine switches as long as the resulting vehicle
matches exactly to anv certified configuration of the same or newer model year as the chassis, there are
some substantial practical limitations to performing such a replacement. Vehicle chassis and engine
designs of one vehicle manufacturer are very distinct from those of another, such that it is generally not
possible to put an engine into a chassis of a different manufacturer and have it match up to a certified configuration. Therefore, practical considerations will generally limit engine switches to installation of
another engine which was certified to be used in that same make and model (or a "twin" of that make
and model, e.g., Pontiac Grand Am and Oldsmobile Calais). In addition, converting a vehicle into a
different certified configuration is likely to be very difficult, and the cost may prove prohibitive.
B. State Laws
Many states also have statutes or regulations prohibiting tampering in general. Most of these laws
specifically prohibit tampering by individuals. A few specifically prohibit engine switching, using
provisions similar to those stated in EPA's policy. To determine the state law in any given state, the
state's Attorney General's office should be contacted. In addition, many states have state or local
antitampering inspection programs which require a periodic inspection of vehicles in that area, to
determine the integrity of emission control systems. Many programs have established policies for
vehicles which have been engine switched. While EPA does not require these programs to fail engine
switched vehicles which are not in compliance with federal policy, the Agency does strongly
recommend that these programs set their requirements so as to be consistent with the federal law. State
or local programs which pass illegally engine switched vehicles may mislead federally regulated parties
into believing that engine switching is allowed by federal law.
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20460
ENGINE SWITCHING FACT SHEET
UNITED STATES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20460
March 13, 1991
OFFICE OF AIR AND RADIATION
Pursuant to frequent requests for information received by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA) regarding the legality and effects of engine switching, this document will summarize federal law
and policy pertaining to this matter, and will discuss other related issues.
A. Federal Law
The federal tampering prohibition is contained in section 203(a)(3) of the Clean Air Act (Act), 42
U.S.C. 7522(a)(3). Section 203(a)(3)(A) of the Act prohibits any person from removing or rendering
inoperative any emission control device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor
vehicle engine prior to its sale and delivery to an ultimate purchaser and prohibits any person from
knowingly removing or rendering inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and
delivery, and the causing thereof. The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section by a
manufacturer or dealer is $25,000; for any other person, $2,500. Section 203(a)(3)(B) of the Act
prohibits any person from manufacturing or selling, or offering to sell, or installing, any part or
component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine where a
principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, and where the person
knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or is being installed for
such use. The maximum civil penalty for a violation of this section is $2,500.
EPA received many questions regarding the application of this law to a situation where one engine is
removed from a vehicle and another engine is installed in its place. EPA's policy regarding "engine
switching" is covered under the provisions of Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. lA
(Attachment 1). This policy states that EPA will not consider any modification to a "certified
configuration" to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that emissions
are not adversely affected. In many cases, proper emission testing according to the Federal Test
Procedure would be necessary to make this determination.
A "certified configuration" is an engine or engine chassis design which has been "certified" (approved)
by EPA prior to the production of vehicles with that design. Generally, the manufacturer submits an
application for certification of the designs of each engine or vehicle it proposes to manufacture prior to
production. The application includes design requirements for all emission related parts, engine
calibrations, and other design parameters for each different type of engine (in heavy-duty vehicles), or
engine chassis combination (in light-duty vehicles). EPA then "certifies" each acceptable design for use,
in vehicles of the upcoming model year.
For light-duty vehicles, installation of a light-duty eng~ne into a different light-duty vehicle by any
person would be considered tampering unless the resulting vehicle is identical (with regard to all
emission related parts, engine design parameters, and engine calibrations) to a certified configuration of
the same or newer model year as the vehicle chassis, or if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that
emissions are not adversely affected as described in Memo 1A. The appropriate source for technical
information regarding the certified configuration of a vehicle of a particular model year is the vehicle
manufacturer.
For heavy-duty vehicles, the resulting vehicle must contain a heavy-duty engine which is identical to a
certified configura- tion of a heavy-duty engine of the same model year or newer as the year of the
installed engine. Under no circumstances, however, may a heavy-duty engine ever be installed in a
light-duty vehicle.
The most common engine replacement involves replacing a gasoline engine in a light-duty vehicle with
another gasoline engine. Another type of engine switching which commonly occurs, however, involves
diesel powered vehicles where the diesel engine is removed and replaced with a gasoline engine.
Applying the above policy, such a replacement is legal only if the resulting engine-chassis configuration
is equivalent to a certified configuration of the same model year or newer as the chassis. If the vehicle
chassis in question has been certified with gasoline, as well as diesel engines(as is common), such a
conversion could be done legally.
Another situation recently brought to EPA's attention involves the offering for sale of used foreign-built
engines. These engines are often not covered by a certified configuration for any vehicle sold in this
country. In such a case, there is no way to install such an engine legally. EPA has recently brought
enforcement actions against certain parties who have violated the tampering prohibition by performing
illegal engine switches.
It should be noted that while EPA's policy allows engine switches as long as the resulting vehicle
matches exactly to anv certified configuration of the same or newer model year as the chassis, there are
some substantial practical limitations to performing such a replacement. Vehicle chassis and engine
designs of one vehicle manufacturer are very distinct from those of another, such that it is generally not
possible to put an engine into a chassis of a different manufacturer and have it match up to a certified configuration. Therefore, practical considerations will generally limit engine switches to installation of
another engine which was certified to be used in that same make and model (or a "twin" of that make
and model, e.g., Pontiac Grand Am and Oldsmobile Calais). In addition, converting a vehicle into a
different certified configuration is likely to be very difficult, and the cost may prove prohibitive.
B. State Laws
Many states also have statutes or regulations prohibiting tampering in general. Most of these laws
specifically prohibit tampering by individuals. A few specifically prohibit engine switching, using
provisions similar to those stated in EPA's policy. To determine the state law in any given state, the
state's Attorney General's office should be contacted. In addition, many states have state or local
antitampering inspection programs which require a periodic inspection of vehicles in that area, to
determine the integrity of emission control systems. Many programs have established policies for
vehicles which have been engine switched. While EPA does not require these programs to fail engine
switched vehicles which are not in compliance with federal policy, the Agency does strongly
recommend that these programs set their requirements so as to be consistent with the federal law. State
or local programs which pass illegally engine switched vehicles may mislead federally regulated parties
into believing that engine switching is allowed by federal law.
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#47
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Originally Posted by digitalsolo
Looks like somebody needs to pull their foot out of their mouth, put it on the accelerator, and get some REAL numbers. That, or just leave their foot in their mouth and shut up.
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Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS
Where.... exactly does one test an 8 second car out on the street at?
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Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS
Where.... exactly does one test an 8 second car out on the street at?
there is a mid-9 second LT1FC in western NY and I'm sure he has fun on the street sometimes. its a 11/12 second car until he taps the 100-shot.... but its still a 9 second car that you could drive on the street.