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Old 06-01-12, 10:10 AM
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337HP 321TQ 94' w/ Bolt Ons

Car is a 1994 RX7. Car is all stock besides Tri-Point Engineering Air box, Tri-Point Engineering 3'' No-Cat Downpipe, Tri-Point Engineering 3'' High Flow Main cat, Greddy Muffler, Denso Fuel Pump with Hardwire, AEM Series II Standalone, Stock boost solenoids and plumbing routing with Tri-Point Engineering Boost Y-adapter. Car made 337hp and 321tq @15.5psi of boost. Stock sequentials, Stock injectors, Stock intercooler, no porting. All stock besides full intake and exhaust and tune. Car is tuned AlphaN, TPS Target based boost control, 2 Step Rev Limiter. The big downside to this setup is the intercooler. Heatsoak happens really quickly. By the 3rd or 4th dyno pull I am down almost 25hp. Next modification will be an intercooler.

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For got to mention Ambient temp in the shop was 104°F and it has an Efini Hard Pipe.
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Originally Posted by EB Turbo View Post
Car is a 1994 RX7. Car is all stock besides Tri-Point Engineering Air box, Tri-Point Engineering 3'' No-Cat Downpipe, Tri-Point Engineering 3'' High Flow Main cat, Greddy Muffler, Denso Fuel Pump with Hardwire, AEM Series II Standalone, Stock boost solenoids and plumbing routing with Tri-Point Engineering Boost Y-adapter. Car made 337hp and 321tq @15.5psi of boost. Stock sequentials, Stock injectors, Stock intercooler, no porting. All stock besides full intake and exhaust and tune. Car is tuned AlphaN, TPS Target based boost control, 2 Step Rev Limiter. The big downside to this setup is the intercooler. Heatsoak happens really quickly. By the 3rd or 4th dyno pull I am down almost 25hp. Next modification will be an intercooler.

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Nice! Do you know your duty cycle?
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Because of the advanced staged injection I can balance the inj however I want. I am running both primary and secondary inj at 70-75% at 15psi.

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Nice numbers but I am very surprised you can put that much power through the stock IC.
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I was unaware they made the AEM Series II for the FD... do you have any more info on this? Plug and play with the stock FD harness or did you use a universal version with a custom harness? I am currently looking into switching ECU's and the Series II looks like a nice option.
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Originally Posted by JhnRx7 View Post
I was unaware they made the AEM Series II for the FD... do you have any more info on this? Plug and play with the stock FD harness or did you use a universal version with a custom harness? I am currently looking into switching ECU's and the Series II looks like a nice option.
AEM does not make one. We made an adapter board to fit one in the stock enclosure. The way it was made it is PnP into a stock FD harness. PM me if you would like more info.

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Those injectors DC's are pretty surprising. I've seen 100% DC's at similar power levels.
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These were around 75-80% for both primary and secondary. if I were to take the cat off I would pick up between 10-15whp.

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nice numbers, this site makes me look forward to owning my new toy
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Originally Posted by EB Turbo View Post
AEM does not make one. We made an adapter board to fit one in the stock enclosure. The way it was made it is PnP into a stock FD harness. PM me if you would like more info.

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No, you didn't make the adapter board.

Nice numbers btw..
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Originally Posted by EB Turbo View Post
These were around 75-80% for both primary and secondary. if I were to take the cat off I would pick up between 10-15whp.

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Stock injectors running at 80% duty cycle at 15.5 PSI?



Sorry but I find that hard to believe...



337 is a nice number but that is whatever the dyno is estimating flywheel/crank HP according to image you posted. I wonder what they are using for a conversion factor. Not that it matters. So long as it is well tuned and you are happy with the car's performance.

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Am I reading that right? 5900rpm??

Something seems off.
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Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7 View Post
Stock injectors running at 80% duty cycle at 15.5 PSI?



Sorry but I find that hard to believe...



337 is a nice number but that is whatever the dyno is estimating flywheel/crank HP according to image you posted. I wonder what they are using for a conversion factor. Not that it matters. So long as it is well tuned and you are happy with the car's performance.
I will take some datalogs next week and show you. It is a dynapack 4000. The 337 is a whp number not flywheel. I am really happy with the drive ability.

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Am I reading that right? 5900rpm??

Something seems off.
Power and torque curves are relative to manifold pressure. Boost tapers off a little after 6k rpm that's why it doesn't make peak power higher. It's gonna go back on the dyno next week for some datalogs I will post boost curve then. I did another one that made 331whp the (post is below, end of last year) peak power was @6400 rpm.

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15psi and stock injectors!?!? What Air/fuel are you running?

If you're tuning for safe AFR's you'll max out 4x850's at 14psi, let alone stock 2x850's 2x550's running 15psi.

Also, upgrade your intercooler or you're going to blow the engine. Max pressure you should run through that intercooler is 12psi, and that isn't even safe.

Congrats on the numbers, but you're driving a ticking time bomb.
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Originally Posted by EB Turbo View Post
I will take some datalogs next week and show you. It is a dynapack 4000. The 337 is a whp number not flywheel. I am really happy with the drive ability.

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No need to show me. It's not my car so I don't really care, no offense.
I'm not trying to be argumentative. I have seen many dyno plots and been at many dyno tuning events over the last 10 years and have never seen stock 550/850 injectors safely support much more than 12 psi.


Take the logs for yourself to make sure you truly are running appropriate AFRs for the boost you are running. Also get the AFR plot from the dyno that you are tuning on and make sure the wideband O2 sensor being used is in proper working condition. You should be getting readings before the cat - you probably know this.

The HP and torque number is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The AFRs, fuel pressure, duty cycle etc used the generate the numbers is the point of dyno tuning.
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Originally Posted by turbojeff View Post
Nice numbers but I am very surprised you can put that much power through the stock IC.
You would be surprised how effecient the stock IC is with all the proper ducting as long as the car is running at 40mph or faster. Once you stop for a couple mins or shut the car off for a 5-10mins that is when the stock IC shows its weakness and gets heat soaked and struggles to recover unless you get it back up to highway speeds and stay out of the throttle for a good 10-15 mins.

I have had several cars on the stock IC with a PFC keep the same IATs as singled cars running large FMICs playing around on the interstate or back roads as long as the speed of the car stays up around 40mph or so. You do see the factory IC cars IATs rise a little faster during the pulls but with a minute of just cruising the temps come back down.
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Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7 View Post
No need to show me. It's not my car so I don't really care, no offense.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I have seen many dyno plots and been at many dyno tuning events over the last 10 years and have never seen stock 550/850 injectors safely support much more than 12 psi.

Take the logs for yourself to make sure you truly are running appropriate AFRs for the boost you are running. Also get the AFR plot from the dyno that you are tuning on and make sure the wideband O2 sensor being used is in proper working condition. You should be getting readings before the cat - you probably know this.

The HP and torque number is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The AFRs, fuel pressure, duty cycle etc used the generate the numbers is the point of dyno tuning.
I tuned this car myself. I don't know why everyone is saying this cant be done. I have tuned a couple of cars with this similar configuration with great success. No offense to you but what you have seen has nothing to do with what is possible. Not all ECUs are created equal. Some can do way more than others. The AEM has a lot of control over the staged injection.

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15psi and stock injectors!?!? What Air/fuel are you running?
If you're tuning for safe AFR's you'll max out 4x850's at 14psi, let alone stock 2x850's 2x550's running 15psi.
Also, upgrade your intercooler or you're going to blow the engine. Max pressure you should run through that intercooler is 12psi, and that isn't even safe.
Congrats on the numbers, but you're driving a ticking time bomb.
I am running safe enough AFRs to run 15psi, 11's. Intercoolers are not rated for manifold pressures. Intercoolers only work as well as the incoming air temp/density and ambient air temp. Intercoolers become extremely inefficient when the turbos are run past their efficiency. I am well within the limits of the stock sequentials. I dont know how you can tell me anything above 12psi is detrimental. See below..

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You would be surprised how effecient the stock IC is with all the proper ducting as long as the car is running at 40mph or faster. Once you stop for a couple mins or shut the car off for a 5-10mins that is when the stock IC shows its weakness and gets heat soaked and struggles to recover unless you get it back up to highway speeds and stay out of the throttle for a good 10-15 mins.

I have had several cars on the stock IC with a PFC keep the same IATs as singled cars running large FMICs playing around on the interstate or back roads as long as the speed of the car stays up around 40mph or so. You do see the factory IC cars IATs rise a little faster during the pulls but with a minute of just cruising the temps come back down.
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Originally Posted by EB Turbo View Post
I tuned this car myself. I don't know why everyone is saying this cant be done. I have tuned a couple of cars with this similar configuration with great success. No offense to you but what you have seen has nothing to do with what is possible. Not all ECUs are created equal. Some can do way more than others. The AEM has a lot of control over the staged injection.


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Fair enough. Not many people have been able to make the AEM work on the FD hence the comments.
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Originally Posted by EB Turbo View Post

Power and torque curves are relative to manifold pressure. Boost tapers off a little after 6k rpm that's why it doesn't make peak power higher. It's gonna go back on the dyno next week for some datalogs I will post boost curve then. I did another one that made 331whp the (post is below, end of last year) peak power was @6400 rpm.

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By the way, if you are seeing high RPM drops in power, unbolt the front of the cat and shine a light in there to check the state of your cat. The front of the cat sometimes melts and winds up looking like a hair clogged shower drain. If you see a nice honeycomb structure, then it's usually still good.
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Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7 View Post
Fair enough. Not many people have been able to make the AEM work on the FD hence the comments.
That is not an AEM issue. Its a tuner issue.

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By the way, if you are seeing high RPM drops in power, unbolt the front of the cat and shine a light in there to check the state of your cat. The front of the cat sometimes melts and winds up looking like a hair clogged shower drain. If you see a nice honeycomb structure, then it's usually still good.
The Cat is brand new I put it on myself. Thanks though.

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So if this is true, then this is something that's done the 1st time in 20 years.....running 15 psi on stock injectors.....and not blow an engine.
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So if this is true, then this is something that's done the 1st time in 20 years.....running 15 psi on stock injectors.....and not blow an engine.
I did this one almost a year ago. 331HP 290tq. That dyno was with our high flow cat. We removed the cat and the car made 349whp @15psi. That car has been to the track multiple times with no engine failures. This configuration is really stretching the limits of the factory components but, still within a usable limit.

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So if this is true, then this is something that's done the 1st time in 20 years.....running 15 psi on stock injectors.....and not blow an engine.
NO NO and NO. I run 16psi on NON-Sequential all day everyday on my personal FD with AEM water/meth. Made 353rwhp at 14psi(wouldnt hold 16psi on dyno). Im running the Pettit ECU right now, but when I have ran this same setup in the past with a PFC I was at 100% injector duty cycles on stock injectors. Its amazing what these engines can withstand with the right apex seals and water/meth.

Just so you know, my car spikes 18psi and then holds 16psi until redline. Im not recommending everyone try this, its definitely on the edge. Unless you are running ALS or RA Superseals I wouldnt try it.
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EB,

What does the boost taper to at redline-ish? Seems like you could tune the boost curve down to accommodate the injectors at higher rpms.
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