what's the best suspension
09-14-08, 05:15 PM
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There is no "best" suspension, it depends on your goals, price range, etc.
Of those, get Tein, the K-Sport quality is crap with each shock giving vastly different damping forces from the rest, which is terrible, JIC's have a long history of wearing out quickly then giving crappy customer service and the Stances are ok, but I'd say that the Tein is the best.
Of those, get Tein, the K-Sport quality is crap with each shock giving vastly different damping forces from the rest, which is terrible, JIC's have a long history of wearing out quickly then giving crappy customer service and the Stances are ok, but I'd say that the Tein is the best.
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09-14-08, 11:31 PM
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I have Ksports and Teins, the Ksports are good for tracking your car, they have multiple set points for you to use and have a stiff ride to them. I am currently running the Teins becuase I mostly drive the 7 on weekends and the ride is more suited for street and HW use.
09-14-08, 11:38 PM
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K-Sports are crap, don't buy them. But don't listen to me, listen to Tri-Point: http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123666252
09-21-08, 01:43 PM
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Isnt the idea of coilovers to be adjustable...so you can set them up for all driving types..? just buy a set that has a decet reputation and set them up for what ever you want. remember, you Always get what you pay for!
09-21-08, 01:51 PM
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Yes and no, you can only change the spring rates so much before you need to re-valve the dampers, which isn't possible on all systems, and will cost a fair bit on thsoe where it is possible. You can adjust the damping all you want, but if the adjustment range is narrow and the damping isn't well suited for the car/suspension/tires, then you'll never be able to get it right. Coilovers let you adjust height and pre-load, which is mostly just useful for corner weighting the car, but not many actually do that.
It's much better to get the best suspension that you can afford that fits your needs to start with, then be happy with it. There's no sense in buying something that doesn't fit your needs then spending a lot to change the springs, dampers, etc.
It's much better to get the best suspension that you can afford that fits your needs to start with, then be happy with it. There's no sense in buying something that doesn't fit your needs then spending a lot to change the springs, dampers, etc.
09-21-08, 04:58 PM
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From the choices above, I'd say between TEIN & STANCE. Tein SS or Flex. Watch out for the Spring rates. I'm not completely sure about Tein, but you can Pick rates for Stance. 9/7 8/6 and im unsure if you can use 7/5. I never bother asking/researching since I was coming from a 10/8 Tein RA so I thought 8/6 would be just right..but if possible, Id' get 7/5 for my car.
Find someone with diff coilovers on FC and test drive the car or ride in it.
You can read all you want but if you don't feel it, you'll never know. (You can watch all the hot **** you want, but if you dont' get to **** her, you'll never know.)
I have the Stance now from Tein RA. I'm trying to explain as much as I can in my Stance thread so people can get some ideas, but I think you need to experience it.
I also offer people to ride in my car if they wish so they'd know what it's like on Stance with the rates I have.
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09-22-08, 09:10 AM
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i don't think i ever said anything bad about zeals. haha. i have no experience with them.
ksports seem to be bad, as people above have said.
the common jdm (tein, jic, etc) brands are suspect. we know they generally work and last a few years, but when it comes down to it we don't actually know what they are actually doing.
ksports seem to be bad, as people above have said.
the common jdm (tein, jic, etc) brands are suspect. we know they generally work and last a few years, but when it comes down to it we don't actually know what they are actually doing.
09-22-08, 09:31 PM
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I've seen lots of shock dynos for the Tein Flex and they seem to be quite good, especially for the price. So no, they're not an unknown.
I'd be cautious of an aluminum bodied shock on the street, especially a monotube, as even the slightest ding from road debris can cause seal failure, and concequently shock failure. That's bad.
Also be aware that those less common Japanese coilovers probably can't be serviced in North America, so in a few years time when you might be needing a re-build, you'll have to spend a lot more and wait a lot longer to ship them back and forth to Japan to get them serviced. Nevermind the issues with language and the time difference. This is a very important, often overlooked issue with coilover buying.
I'd be cautious of an aluminum bodied shock on the street, especially a monotube, as even the slightest ding from road debris can cause seal failure, and concequently shock failure. That's bad.
Also be aware that those less common Japanese coilovers probably can't be serviced in North America, so in a few years time when you might be needing a re-build, you'll have to spend a lot more and wait a lot longer to ship them back and forth to Japan to get them serviced. Nevermind the issues with language and the time difference. This is a very important, often overlooked issue with coilover buying.
09-22-08, 10:19 PM
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if you have multiple examples of tein flex dynos, you should post them up for everyone's benefit
i've seen a generic shock dyno for them but that alone isn't definitive. while they certainly feel pretty good relative to others (i have a set in my 240), i'm pretty hesitant to say anything is quality based merely on that and my *** dyno
i've seen a generic shock dyno for them but that alone isn't definitive. while they certainly feel pretty good relative to others (i have a set in my 240), i'm pretty hesitant to say anything is quality based merely on that and my *** dyno
09-22-08, 11:32 PM
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The shock dynos I've got are all from other sources, for example there's a long, detailed thread on the miata.net forum where I got the majority of the dynos, look there to start.
09-23-08, 01:33 PM
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http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=166909
is it this thread? sorry for the thread derailment op! haha
is it this thread? sorry for the thread derailment op! haha
09-23-08, 01:54 PM
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has anybody tried the offering from silk road? they come with a standard 10k/8k setup.
Second, I had read on the miata forum that the stance coilovers are possible rebadged buddy club coilovers. I am unsure if that is misinformation, but clarification by an authority would be appreciated. thanks.
Second, I had read on the miata forum that the stance coilovers are possible rebadged buddy club coilovers. I am unsure if that is misinformation, but clarification by an authority would be appreciated. thanks.
09-23-08, 02:09 PM
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silkroad sucks. despite what the internet may say.
i had the rma8 on my s14 for about two years and did not like the ride. bought due to forum recommendation in 2005 or 2006. very harsh compared to other 8/6 coilovers, for (what i later realized was) really no reason whatsoever. lower damping adjustment range is totally useless unless you want to bounce all over the road. it feels like it starts doing its job around 5-6 clicks, but it simultaneously becomes really harsh. as in bounce me out of my seat harsh on the turnpike. so your options with adjustment are soft and bouncy or harsh and non bouncy. not exactly the mark of a good shock.
front shocks developed play in the shock piston after about 8000 miles spread over 2 north east years. drove me nuts trying to figure out what it was because the ride did not feel blown. a local helped me diagnose the issue since it also happened to his silkroads in his s13. six months down the line it happened to another friend of mine in his s14. maybe the roads in jersey suck? or maybe the coilovers are just **** and buying coilovers based on internet *** dyno opinions is a bad idea.
i had the rma8 on my s14 for about two years and did not like the ride. bought due to forum recommendation in 2005 or 2006. very harsh compared to other 8/6 coilovers, for (what i later realized was) really no reason whatsoever. lower damping adjustment range is totally useless unless you want to bounce all over the road. it feels like it starts doing its job around 5-6 clicks, but it simultaneously becomes really harsh. as in bounce me out of my seat harsh on the turnpike. so your options with adjustment are soft and bouncy or harsh and non bouncy. not exactly the mark of a good shock.
front shocks developed play in the shock piston after about 8000 miles spread over 2 north east years. drove me nuts trying to figure out what it was because the ride did not feel blown. a local helped me diagnose the issue since it also happened to his silkroads in his s13. six months down the line it happened to another friend of mine in his s14. maybe the roads in jersey suck? or maybe the coilovers are just **** and buying coilovers based on internet *** dyno opinions is a bad idea.