View Poll Results: Would you prefer the caliper be located outward such that it...
results in ~0.090" of pad overhang but is closer to a bolt on operation
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uses the full pad but requires you dremel open the edges of the caliper slot
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Mandeville style 4 wheel big brakes for FC - feedback needed
06-27-08, 01:32 PM
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I've been watching silently, I figure if more show interest the more chance this will materialise. I was planning on doing this very mod simularly, but couldn't find suitable rotors. Now the leg work is done, I'd love to run this but would prefer aluminum hated rotors. I have cash waiting and will sign any waiver to protect the OP.
~Mike............
~Mike............
06-27-08, 03:31 PM
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The problem is, I don't think you can legally waive your right to sue.
However, I'm not sure that this is legally sound, you can always sign a contract with him holding you financially liable for any damages relating to your use of the kit. You would enter a contract to be his insurance company for any claims you would have against him.
In other words, you would be forced to sue him, then he would sue you for the money you'd win from him. Net result, everyone breaks even.
You wouldn't be able to sell the kit to someone else though, because then your *** is on the line, unless you make him enter into a contract as well.
However, I'm not sure that this is legally sound, you can always sign a contract with him holding you financially liable for any damages relating to your use of the kit. You would enter a contract to be his insurance company for any claims you would have against him.
In other words, you would be forced to sue him, then he would sue you for the money you'd win from him. Net result, everyone breaks even.
You wouldn't be able to sell the kit to someone else though, because then your *** is on the line, unless you make him enter into a contract as well.
06-29-08, 11:27 AM
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I'm pretty sure that no matter how you do it, even if you're giving away the plans for free that there's still some liability issues. That would be especially true if there's money involved in the deal. You can call it scrap metal, say that it's not for use on roads or whatever, but in the end it's pretty clear what it's meant to do. I don't say this to be a kill-joy, but it's the truth as far as I know it.
06-30-08, 01:53 PM
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Black91n/a is mostly correct... That said, it's not QUITE dead yet.
However, before anything can happen I still have to get the FEA study done and I need to get my own car out on track. For the moment I've been focusing on other aspects of getting my car up to speed. The build thread is here if anyone wants to see the progress.
I've had some weird setbacks I wasn't expecting. Random issues with tendenidus that make it hard to wrech. Had to buy a welder to finish my oil cooler relocation etc.
It's coming along but slowly. If you're desperate for big brakes and are time sensitive, I'd buy a kit up front, the Corksport rear, and just plan on having to change out master cylinders (pending front caliper piston sizing) and running an adjustable proportioning valve. Part of the point of my design was that you wouldn't need that stuff, but this is lower priority for me that other areas of life so I'm trying to be up front about the status.
-Joel
However, before anything can happen I still have to get the FEA study done and I need to get my own car out on track. For the moment I've been focusing on other aspects of getting my car up to speed. The build thread is here if anyone wants to see the progress.
I've had some weird setbacks I wasn't expecting. Random issues with tendenidus that make it hard to wrech. Had to buy a welder to finish my oil cooler relocation etc.
It's coming along but slowly. If you're desperate for big brakes and are time sensitive, I'd buy a kit up front, the Corksport rear, and just plan on having to change out master cylinders (pending front caliper piston sizing) and running an adjustable proportioning valve. Part of the point of my design was that you wouldn't need that stuff, but this is lower priority for me that other areas of life so I'm trying to be up front about the status.
-Joel
06-30-08, 02:48 PM
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Just to chime in here...There are competing areas/bodies of law at work here. Under contact law, you can get a general liability waiver signed and that would protect you from the original purchaser in case of a law suit. However, there is Tort law, which would still hold you liabile in the case of some accident. Now, under ideal conditions (buyer sues you for damages), you would be protected under the contract. However, as soon as you involve 3rd parties, such as innocent bystanders, re-purchasers, etc... you can tip the scales the other way, and tort liability will trump your protection under the contract.
That is why when trying to protect yourself from tort product liability, insurance is very important. The argument will go like this: to you its foreseeable that something can happen, but to an innocent bystander it is not.
If it were me, under these facts (just you with an LLC), I would not proceed with this. Sorry to say that, it would be a cool product.
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That is why when trying to protect yourself from tort product liability, insurance is very important. The argument will go like this: to you its foreseeable that something can happen, but to an innocent bystander it is not.
If it were me, under these facts (just you with an LLC), I would not proceed with this. Sorry to say that, it would be a cool product.
-a
06-30-08, 03:33 PM
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Just to chime in here...There are competing areas/bodies of law at work here. Under contact law, you can get a general liability waiver signed and that would protect you from the original purchaser in case of a law suit. However, there is Tort law, which would still hold you liabile in the case of some accident. Now, under ideal conditions (buyer sues you for damages), you would be protected under the contract. However, as soon as you involve 3rd parties, such as innocent bystanders, re-purchasers, etc... you can tip the scales the other way, and tort liability will trump your protection under the contract.
That is why when trying to protect yourself from tort product liability, insurance is very important. The argument will go like this: to you its foreseeable that something can happen, but to an innocent bystander it is not.
If it were me, under these facts (just you with an LLC), I would not proceed with this. Sorry to say that, it would be a cool product.
-a
That is why when trying to protect yourself from tort product liability, insurance is very important. The argument will go like this: to you its foreseeable that something can happen, but to an innocent bystander it is not.
If it were me, under these facts (just you with an LLC), I would not proceed with this. Sorry to say that, it would be a cool product.
-a
Sell the prototype and rights to corksport or some other company that can handle the process. Show them this thread to prove there is a market.
06-30-08, 03:46 PM
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IANAL... but IIRC Tort only allows the person injured to sue for damage against the person directly responsible for injury/damage. Which would be the guy who ran them over. i.e. in an automotive pile up the driver always sues the person directly behind them for damages.
Sell the prototype and rights to corksport or some other company that can handle the process. Show them this thread to prove there is a market.
Sell the prototype and rights to corksport or some other company that can handle the process. Show them this thread to prove there is a market.
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06-30-08, 06:22 PM
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I think all I need is some hub centric rings and I should be good for Mazfest. I'd love to get the rear diff bushings swapped out too but that remains to be seen.
It'll probably be Sunday only as I have a buddy getting married Saturday. I haven't signed up yet because last time I did that with car work remaining I got screwed by project setbacks and ended up forfeiting my fee.
It'll probably be Sunday only as I have a buddy getting married Saturday. I haven't signed up yet because last time I did that with car work remaining I got screwed by project setbacks and ended up forfeiting my fee.
07-05-08, 11:58 PM
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maybe im just a complete ignorant *** but this seems to be waaaay too serious and overkill. dont make hood spacers they could chop your head off. dont put on after market tie rod ends and drift spacers your rack may fail. non-DOT headlights.. dtss bushing replacements mod the suspension beyond what the manufacturer intended. removing supports of bumpers for aftermarket noses what *** munch would sue you from some plans that he copied. No offense but in order to sue people the people you sue have to have some cash. i dont think you have enough money to be sued. i could be wrong like i said and feel free to smack me witha wad of money across the face. Cars are for modding?? i understand CYA but umm maybe you should close this thread until you figure something out.
07-06-08, 11:43 AM
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You can always have less...
Even if they don't get anything out of it, you still have to pay your lawyer.
Keep in mind, the brakes are a CRITICAL system, and if they fail, chances are that you'll crash, and with the letigious nature of American society, it's best to have protection if you're going to be selling somthing like this.
Even if they don't get anything out of it, you still have to pay your lawyer.
Keep in mind, the brakes are a CRITICAL system, and if they fail, chances are that you'll crash, and with the letigious nature of American society, it's best to have protection if you're going to be selling somthing like this.
07-08-08, 12:28 AM
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thats your problem you noobs, i dont need brakes i are the bestest dk i dont need brakes... But no really i give up it was a good idea thanks for sharing the engineering skills.
07-10-08, 05:14 PM
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I'm heading for Mazfest out at Buttonwillow this weekend so the brakes should see their first serious workout on Sunday. To the guy with "DEATH TO V8 SEVENS" in the sig: care for a friendly matchup? 
