How low should I go?
10-02-08, 11:42 AM
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lol.
I think I count on one hand how many people like my spoiler.
But truthfully. Shoot me a PM and a offer. Cuz I do plan on going 99 spec spoiler one of these days.
I think I count on one hand how many people like my spoiler.
But truthfully. Shoot me a PM and a offer. Cuz I do plan on going 99 spec spoiler one of these days.
10-02-08, 05:21 PM
#31
^^^
Unlimited alignments aren't typically PERFORMANCE alignments. They're for minivans. They'll reset your toe-in and that's about it. A performance alignment at a good shop is usually about $125 to $175 a pop. Nobody's giving that kind of shop time away on an unlimited basis.
Unlimited alignments aren't typically PERFORMANCE alignments. They're for minivans. They'll reset your toe-in and that's about it. A performance alignment at a good shop is usually about $125 to $175 a pop. Nobody's giving that kind of shop time away on an unlimited basis.
10-02-08, 05:46 PM
#32
strike up the paean
depends on the shop really
some shops charge extra for setting specific alignments and some don't.
i've never had a shop align it 100% correct with the heims in proper articulation. it's a pain to find a truly good shop.
some shops charge extra for setting specific alignments and some don't.
i've never had a shop align it 100% correct with the heims in proper articulation. it's a pain to find a truly good shop.
10-02-08, 06:54 PM
#33
This thread stinks of rice and stupid kids. And I pointed no one out, so if your offended, well at least you know who you are 
lol I'd expect retard comments like this in the FC forums, but I guess the FD is getting more affordable these days and half wits are buying them up and ricing them out now huh?
~Mike...........
lol I'd expect retard comments like this in the FC forums, but I guess the FD is getting more affordable these days and half wits are buying them up and ricing them out now huh?~Mike...........
10-02-08, 08:52 PM
#35
No.
OVER lowering an FD is rice. OVER lowering!
Some people around here need to learn that just because some of something is good, it doesn't make more or too much of it better. Think plastic surgery. You want a nip and a tuck, not Michael Jackson.
You've got a nice looking car. Keep it that way. Think car, not car-toon.
OVER lowering an FD is rice. OVER lowering!
Some people around here need to learn that just because some of something is good, it doesn't make more or too much of it better. Think plastic surgery. You want a nip and a tuck, not Michael Jackson.
You've got a nice looking car. Keep it that way. Think car, not car-toon.
Last edited by ptrhahn; 10-02-08 at 08:56 PM.
10-02-08, 09:32 PM
#36
No.
OVER lowering an FD is rice. OVER lowering!
Some people around here need to learn that just because some of something is good, it doesn't make more or too much of it better. Think plastic surgery. You want a nip and a tuck, not Michael Jackson.
You've got a nice looking car. Keep it that way. Think car, not car-toon.
OVER lowering an FD is rice. OVER lowering!
Some people around here need to learn that just because some of something is good, it doesn't make more or too much of it better. Think plastic surgery. You want a nip and a tuck, not Michael Jackson.
You've got a nice looking car. Keep it that way. Think car, not car-toon.
~Mike..........
10-03-08, 12:05 AM
#38
LOL this thread full of people who can't realize what looks good.
The guy asked a simple question.
How low can he go. As low as possible.
Why? Because it looks good.
Wheel gap is ugly. Period. No question about it.
The guy asked a simple question.
How low can he go. As low as possible.
Why? Because it looks good.
Wheel gap is ugly. Period. No question about it.
Last edited by Risky Devil; 10-03-08 at 12:12 AM.
10-03-08, 09:16 AM
#40
Look
There's no point to doing anything, if you don't look awesome doing it. Might as well go home.
To those saying it's ricey to lower a car beyond "optimum", how often do you drive these optimized, track spec-ed cars on the track? Every weekend? I bet you see one or two track days a year with your street car, tops.
What classes do you run these optimized street cars in? How competitive are you? Are you REALLY gunning for that podium in ALMS? I bet you're not. I bet you're a middle of the road, moderately slow driver that takes their street car to HPDEs on occasion, when they aren't driving their minivan full of kids to school. Prove me wrong.
Since you're NOT competing for a podium position in any kind of racing that's important, why do you CARE about squeezing the last 10th of a second out of the car? Why is it so important? So you can feel more manly than the other guy?
"What suspension do you have?"
"Oh I'm on Koni"
"I'm on moton! My ride height is optimized! My alignment is perfect! I'm race prepared! Eat it, you middle class race car driver!"
Just get lots of seat time, learn to drive the car, and you'll be going faster than the other guy going out for his first time in his race-prepped street car he's never driven before.
PS, unlimited good alignments can be found. Just network. Out here we have a guy willing to set camber/caster/toe to any spec you want, while minding the position of your heim joints. Granted, he doesn't cornerweigh the car, but again, a good driver can drive circles around your track prepped FD in their rustbucket yugo, especially in the lower racing classes that you people really see.
There's no point to doing anything, if you don't look awesome doing it. Might as well go home.
To those saying it's ricey to lower a car beyond "optimum", how often do you drive these optimized, track spec-ed cars on the track? Every weekend? I bet you see one or two track days a year with your street car, tops.
What classes do you run these optimized street cars in? How competitive are you? Are you REALLY gunning for that podium in ALMS? I bet you're not. I bet you're a middle of the road, moderately slow driver that takes their street car to HPDEs on occasion, when they aren't driving their minivan full of kids to school. Prove me wrong.
Since you're NOT competing for a podium position in any kind of racing that's important, why do you CARE about squeezing the last 10th of a second out of the car? Why is it so important? So you can feel more manly than the other guy?
"What suspension do you have?"
"Oh I'm on Koni"
"I'm on moton! My ride height is optimized! My alignment is perfect! I'm race prepared! Eat it, you middle class race car driver!"
Just get lots of seat time, learn to drive the car, and you'll be going faster than the other guy going out for his first time in his race-prepped street car he's never driven before.
PS, unlimited good alignments can be found. Just network. Out here we have a guy willing to set camber/caster/toe to any spec you want, while minding the position of your heim joints. Granted, he doesn't cornerweigh the car, but again, a good driver can drive circles around your track prepped FD in their rustbucket yugo, especially in the lower racing classes that you people really see.
10-03-08, 09:56 AM
#42
Look.
Over lowering the car well past the point of functionality is RICE. Pure and simple. This coming from someone who actually DID IT many years ago when I was trying to "look cool". The car rode like ***, handled like ***, jounced down the road, crashed over bumps, bump steered, wouldn't make it over speed bumps or parking lot transitions. It was ridiculous.
This has nothing do do with "optimizing to win ALMS championship." KNOWING what I know now, when I see an over lowered car I think the same thing as when I see a three foot high air foil wing on an Accord. I think "that jack *** doesn't know **** about cars".
The fact that any of our cars are also street driven doesn't matter. You need ride height for proper street function just as much as you do on track. Suspension is a FUNCTIONAL part of the car.
Go too low and it doesn't work right anymore... and to anyone knowledgeable (not teenage girls at strip malls), purposefully modding your car to the point of gross disfunction LOOKS ******* stupid.
Over lowering the car well past the point of functionality is RICE. Pure and simple. This coming from someone who actually DID IT many years ago when I was trying to "look cool". The car rode like ***, handled like ***, jounced down the road, crashed over bumps, bump steered, wouldn't make it over speed bumps or parking lot transitions. It was ridiculous.
This has nothing do do with "optimizing to win ALMS championship." KNOWING what I know now, when I see an over lowered car I think the same thing as when I see a three foot high air foil wing on an Accord. I think "that jack *** doesn't know **** about cars".
The fact that any of our cars are also street driven doesn't matter. You need ride height for proper street function just as much as you do on track. Suspension is a FUNCTIONAL part of the car.
Go too low and it doesn't work right anymore... and to anyone knowledgeable (not teenage girls at strip malls), purposefully modding your car to the point of gross disfunction LOOKS ******* stupid.
Look
To those saying it's ricey to lower a car beyond "optimum", how often do you drive these optimized, track spec-ed cars on the track? Every weekend? I bet you see one or two track days a year with your street car, tops.
What classes do you run these optimized street cars in? How competitive are you? Are you REALLY gunning for that podium in ALMS? I bet you're not. I bet you're a middle of the road, moderately slow driver that takes their street car to HPDEs on occasion, when they aren't driving their minivan full of kids to school. Prove me wrong.
Since you're NOT competing for a podium position in any kind of racing that's important, why do you CARE about squeezing the last 10th of a second out of the car? Why is it so important? So you can feel more manly than the other guy?
To those saying it's ricey to lower a car beyond "optimum", how often do you drive these optimized, track spec-ed cars on the track? Every weekend? I bet you see one or two track days a year with your street car, tops.
What classes do you run these optimized street cars in? How competitive are you? Are you REALLY gunning for that podium in ALMS? I bet you're not. I bet you're a middle of the road, moderately slow driver that takes their street car to HPDEs on occasion, when they aren't driving their minivan full of kids to school. Prove me wrong.
Since you're NOT competing for a podium position in any kind of racing that's important, why do you CARE about squeezing the last 10th of a second out of the car? Why is it so important? So you can feel more manly than the other guy?
10-03-08, 10:46 AM
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10-03-08, 11:48 AM
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With the exception of this guy, has anyone noticed that the lower the post count, the more juvenile the response?
To the OP: Listen to Howard Coleman. His suggestions are, as stated above, are not just for the track, but it's optimizing the suspension for all uses. Suspension is an intagral part of how a car drives and how safe it is. If your suspension doesn't work, your car will be unbearable to drive.
10-03-08, 12:00 PM
#45
Post count does not relate to maturity... if you knew who the people you were arguing with you are, what they do, and how they are involved in motorsport and the car aftermarket business in general, I think you'd get a bit more perspective.
My post count is low because I'm too busy to be arguing on an rx7 forum with a bunch of "purists" most of the time. I do get some amusement out of riling you guys up though.
My post count is low because I'm too busy to be arguing on an rx7 forum with a bunch of "purists" most of the time. I do get some amusement out of riling you guys up though.
10-03-08, 12:26 PM
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my zeals feel like welded steel tubes to the shock tower.
think of bump steer as self-lane changing assistance.
being low is cooler than passing your local minivan on the highway off ramp.
think of bump steer as self-lane changing assistance.
being low is cooler than passing your local minivan on the highway off ramp.
10-04-08, 01:57 PM
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While the battle between conformists and extremists continues, I'll post my 2cents....
Before:
My 2cents:
No fender gap, no tucking, and still room for suspension play. A means between slamming and just enough.
I personally love a heavily dropped car. I don't have an RX-7, but I've seen enough to know what I like. I have a 300ZX, and I have the body sitting RIGHT at the wheels. And I wouldn't drive it any other way. The Z scene is also filled with some hard headed conservatives that feel anything past a 1" drop is ruining the car. But at the end of the day, its just an opinion, so I let them be.
As for performance asthetic, I can vouch for that. I do quite a bit of spirited driving when I can. Next year I hope to start doing some road courses and really push my car. I daily drive mine sitting around 3" off the ground. And does it handle? You bet. JIC coilovers with front and rear adjustable tension/camber/toe arms. All in how you do it.
Again, just my 2cents.
Before:
My 2cents:
No fender gap, no tucking, and still room for suspension play. A means between slamming and just enough.
I personally love a heavily dropped car. I don't have an RX-7, but I've seen enough to know what I like. I have a 300ZX, and I have the body sitting RIGHT at the wheels. And I wouldn't drive it any other way. The Z scene is also filled with some hard headed conservatives that feel anything past a 1" drop is ruining the car. But at the end of the day, its just an opinion, so I let them be.
As for performance asthetic, I can vouch for that. I do quite a bit of spirited driving when I can. Next year I hope to start doing some road courses and really push my car. I daily drive mine sitting around 3" off the ground. And does it handle? You bet. JIC coilovers with front and rear adjustable tension/camber/toe arms. All in how you do it.
Again, just my 2cents.
10-04-08, 02:18 PM
#48
This has nothing to do with "conformity". You don't set your car up a certain way because other people do, you set it up to WORK. What does and doesn't work isn't a matter of personal preference.
The above retouched picture doesn't look any lower than the 25" at the fender lips guideline that most of us conservative "conformists" have been recommending. That's actually very low on aftermarket wheels—my car is at least that low. Nobody said anything about "no more than 1"".
This forum is full of a bunch of kids who don't even listen or read before they get all butt hurt that their personal style is been violated when somebody tries to tell them something.
The above retouched picture doesn't look any lower than the 25" at the fender lips guideline that most of us conservative "conformists" have been recommending. That's actually very low on aftermarket wheels—my car is at least that low. Nobody said anything about "no more than 1"".
This forum is full of a bunch of kids who don't even listen or read before they get all butt hurt that their personal style is been violated when somebody tries to tell them something.
Last edited by ptrhahn; 10-04-08 at 02:26 PM.
10-04-08, 03:05 PM
#49
this thread=fail
Peter, you are absolutely right. The owner demographic has greatly changed from what it use to be. You going to be at VIR in Nov?
Any time you "cool guys" want to "look good" dragging your **** all over the road and I'm around... I'll paint a silver(or blue or red for that matter) strip down your car free of charge as I blow by you, wink at your girlfriend, and look better doing it. After your car breaks down and you can't afford to fix it, I'll prob. low ball you and buy your car off of you as well(see signature) and save another FD.
And for the guy that said a good driver in a yugo can beat a bad driver in a track prepped FD, I will say this since apparently we are doing blanket stereotypes... a bad driver in a yugo can beat a good driver in a slammed anything. If the car can't go anywhere because it doesn't handle, you have limited the cars ability to perform and it doesn't matter if it's Mario Andretti in the seat... it's still slow. It's true seat time is very important, but as soon as you opened your mouth I could tell you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Since you called all the other guys(who you obviously don't know who they are or their involement in motorsports) out, I'll call you out... what do you do that gives you so much track experience? Let's see you prove why you are the suspension/racing God.
LOL... I just looked at your guys profiles/blog. That's funny. It all makes sense now... haha. Come back and talk when you aren't trying to make your car slower around the track.
Peter, you are absolutely right. The owner demographic has greatly changed from what it use to be. You going to be at VIR in Nov?
Any time you "cool guys" want to "look good" dragging your **** all over the road and I'm around... I'll paint a silver(or blue or red for that matter) strip down your car free of charge as I blow by you, wink at your girlfriend, and look better doing it. After your car breaks down and you can't afford to fix it, I'll prob. low ball you and buy your car off of you as well(see signature) and save another FD.
And for the guy that said a good driver in a yugo can beat a bad driver in a track prepped FD, I will say this since apparently we are doing blanket stereotypes... a bad driver in a yugo can beat a good driver in a slammed anything. If the car can't go anywhere because it doesn't handle, you have limited the cars ability to perform and it doesn't matter if it's Mario Andretti in the seat... it's still slow. It's true seat time is very important, but as soon as you opened your mouth I could tell you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Since you called all the other guys(who you obviously don't know who they are or their involement in motorsports) out, I'll call you out... what do you do that gives you so much track experience? Let's see you prove why you are the suspension/racing God.
LOL... I just looked at your guys profiles/blog. That's funny. It all makes sense now... haha. Come back and talk when you aren't trying to make your car slower around the track.