Coilover choices?
12-27-09, 10:53 AM
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Coilover choices?
K so originally i was going to put Tokico shocks with racing beat springs and mazdatrix adjustable camber links.. I didnt plan on coilovers because i figured they would be expensive and unnecessary for me. But, i found some coilovers that came out to be about the same price as buying all those other parts. They even come with their own adjustable camber links!! http://thmotorsports.com/ksport/kspo.../i-112050.aspx is the link... Anybody know anything about this brand?? I dont wanna spend more than a grand and these guys offer the price (about 25% off retail) SHIPPED.
12-28-09, 09:48 AM
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pretty much everything is made in taiwan or china, including the more expensive "jdm" (in name only) stuff nowadays.
it's a very opinionated subject. the most lowest-budget-you-should-go-with coilovers are going to cost a hair over what you want to spend. $1200-1300 stuff. stance, tein, etc. alot of people will tell you that for similar money, koni yellow + sleeve set up is better as it has superior damping characteristics.
coilovers do not come with camber links. they have adjustable camber plates, but this only corrects for camber in the front of the car. you will still need the adjustable arm or individual links for the rear.
it's a very opinionated subject. the most lowest-budget-you-should-go-with coilovers are going to cost a hair over what you want to spend. $1200-1300 stuff. stance, tein, etc. alot of people will tell you that for similar money, koni yellow + sleeve set up is better as it has superior damping characteristics.
coilovers do not come with camber links. they have adjustable camber plates, but this only corrects for camber in the front of the car. you will still need the adjustable arm or individual links for the rear.
12-29-09, 01:02 PM
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Most (NOT all) people on this forum that rag on K-Sport and similar priced coilover systems are just JDM fanboys that want a Tien sticker to but in their window next to the Domo-kun plush hanging from their rearview , when the truth is, they can't "out drive" stock replacement dampeners, much less coilovers of any brand.
For the purposes of the average driver, any set of coilovers will be fine, because they don't drive hard enough to notice the differences. Moreover in terms of asthetics, the front of the FC is difficult to lower w/o coilovers (unless you're on 18's or 19's perhaps) except if you buy the RB strut muount lowering cups, and by the time you piece together ground controls, struts, the mounting cups and camber plates, you could have bought a lower end coilver setup.
Granted, they will not offer you maximum performance, as someone has already pointed out koni's (which can be customed valved) will out perform even the high quality coilver kits. However they will cost more, and are only worth it to certain types of drivers.
At the end of the day its about cost/benifit analysis and what you want to do w/ the car. By honest about your intentions and your abilities and you won't end up wasting money on something you don't need because of some internet BS.
Most (NOT all) people on this forum that rag on K-Sport and similar priced coilover systems are just JDM fanboys that want a Tien sticker to but in their window next to the Domo-kun plush hanging from their rearview , when the truth is, they can't "out drive" stock replacement dampeners, much less coilovers of any brand.
For the purposes of the average driver, any set of coilovers will be fine, because they don't drive hard enough to notice the differences. Moreover in terms of asthetics, the front of the FC is difficult to lower w/o coilovers (unless you're on 18's or 19's perhaps) except if you buy the RB strut muount lowering cups, and by the time you piece together ground controls, struts, the mounting cups and camber plates, you could have bought a lower end coilver setup.
Granted, they will not offer you maximum performance, as someone has already pointed out koni's (which can be customed valved) will out perform even the high quality coilver kits. However they will cost more, and are only worth it to certain types of drivers.
At the end of the day its about cost/benifit analysis and what you want to do w/ the car. By honest about your intentions and your abilities and you won't end up wasting money on something you don't need because of some internet BS.
12-29-09, 03:53 PM
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Most (NOT all) people on this forum that rag on K-Sport and similar priced coilover systems are just JDM fanboys that want a Tien sticker to but in their window next to the Domo-kun plush hanging from their rearview , when the truth is, they can't "out drive" stock replacement dampeners, much less coilovers of any brand.
For the purposes of the average driver, any set of coilovers will be fine, because they don't drive hard enough to notice the differences. Moreover in terms of asthetics, the front of the FC is difficult to lower w/o coilovers (unless you're on 18's or 19's perhaps) except if you buy the RB strut muount lowering cups, and by the time you piece together ground controls, struts, the mounting cups and camber plates, you could have bought a lower end coilver setup.
Granted, they will not offer you maximum performance, as someone has already pointed out koni's (which can be customed valved) will out perform even the high quality coilver kits. However they will cost more, and are only worth it to certain types of drivers.
At the end of the day its about cost/benifit analysis and what you want to do w/ the car. By honest about your intentions and your abilities and you won't end up wasting money on something you don't need because of some internet BS.
Most (NOT all) people on this forum that rag on K-Sport and similar priced coilover systems are just JDM fanboys that want a Tien sticker to but in their window next to the Domo-kun plush hanging from their rearview , when the truth is, they can't "out drive" stock replacement dampeners, much less coilovers of any brand.
For the purposes of the average driver, any set of coilovers will be fine, because they don't drive hard enough to notice the differences. Moreover in terms of asthetics, the front of the FC is difficult to lower w/o coilovers (unless you're on 18's or 19's perhaps) except if you buy the RB strut muount lowering cups, and by the time you piece together ground controls, struts, the mounting cups and camber plates, you could have bought a lower end coilver setup.
Granted, they will not offer you maximum performance, as someone has already pointed out koni's (which can be customed valved) will out perform even the high quality coilver kits. However they will cost more, and are only worth it to certain types of drivers.
At the end of the day its about cost/benifit analysis and what you want to do w/ the car. By honest about your intentions and your abilities and you won't end up wasting money on something you don't need because of some internet BS.
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http://www.importimageracing.com/p/B...lover-Kit.html thats the link to the BC's
12-29-09, 04:40 PM
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if you are just driving around town with the occasional track event, any cheap coil-over will probably do. it will also probably suck as far a suspension solution goes, but you will have to decide where price point and damping strike a balance you find attractive.
BC's are typically considered to be only moderately higher on the scale than worst of the worst (k2sport, d2, megan and godspeed).
i have heard of two cases of catastrophic coilover failure. one of them is involved BC's (see link). (don't let brand name blind you though, the other was JIC.)
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123754871
just found another! $1400 - 1500 tein flex.
i personally have these, how reassuring.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-tir...tein-flex.html
BC's are typically considered to be only moderately higher on the scale than worst of the worst (k2sport, d2, megan and godspeed).
i have heard of two cases of catastrophic coilover failure. one of them is involved BC's (see link). (don't let brand name blind you though, the other was JIC.)
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123754871
just found another! $1400 - 1500 tein flex.
i personally have these, how reassuring.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-tir...tein-flex.html
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12-29-09, 05:28 PM
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I've been rocking SilkRoad coilovers on my 240sx for four years ( Sub company of Tanabe). I paid a pretty penny for them. But between drift events, autox and stupid stuff I did inbetween, I can't complain in the least. They are still strong and the car handles handles decently. I intend to drive my 88gxl NA on stock suspension a while since i'm coming from the 240 and i know that it handles way differently then the fc. I've driven a ton of Rx-8s and I can feel the difference.
Honestly, it's your car, do a little research and makea choice. I know many people just run a spring strut combo for events, so unless you're biulding a race car i'd just go with something that won't break the bank, ( Or your body as a DD) and enjoy the car.
Honestly, it's your car, do a little research and makea choice. I know many people just run a spring strut combo for events, so unless you're biulding a race car i'd just go with something that won't break the bank, ( Or your body as a DD) and enjoy the car.
12-30-09, 08:39 AM
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i would personally not recommend silkroads. me and two other guys had them out here in jersey. all three of us developed shaft play on the front coilovers. i only had 8000 miles on them or so.
12-30-09, 01:32 PM
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well i have searched STI, Evo, 350Z, civic, and Bimmer forums and they all seem to be giving good reviews on the BC's, many of them stepping down from a more expensive set of coilovers too. There were a couple comprehensive reviews from online magazines as well. I understand the stereotypes, but i have not seen much to convince me that these are not comprable to a set 400-500 bucks more expensive.
12-30-09, 02:27 PM
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you really won't typically "see" anything convincing you of that fact unless you already know. and there will certainly be no external indicator with respect to the appearance of the coilover itself.
let me break it down for you.
the difference in price level is usually due to superior damping characteristics.
the problem with stupid car modder people like us is that 95% of people have no clue what makes good damping good and bad damping bad. even those that do have a clue only have half or a quarter of a clue.
so the coilover maker and their various supporters will put up a generic dyno. a few people say it rides good and hasn't blown up for a year or two. maybe someone will be sponsored to drift on them. hey even throw in a good magazine review or two. throw in a few buzzwords like "digressive" and voila - you have a widely accepted "good" coilover.
but yeah. if you get BC's i'm sure you be fine and i'm sure they will not implode on you. whether they are an actual quality suspension solution... that is possibly doubtful and probably unlikely and totally unknown.
let me break it down for you.
the difference in price level is usually due to superior damping characteristics.
the problem with stupid car modder people like us is that 95% of people have no clue what makes good damping good and bad damping bad. even those that do have a clue only have half or a quarter of a clue.
so the coilover maker and their various supporters will put up a generic dyno. a few people say it rides good and hasn't blown up for a year or two. maybe someone will be sponsored to drift on them. hey even throw in a good magazine review or two. throw in a few buzzwords like "digressive" and voila - you have a widely accepted "good" coilover.
but yeah. if you get BC's i'm sure you be fine and i'm sure they will not implode on you. whether they are an actual quality suspension solution... that is possibly doubtful and probably unlikely and totally unknown.
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12-30-09, 02:31 PM
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seems like a good choice, I've got two friends w/ BC's, one miata, one honda fit. both really like them. The miata recently switched from an older set of Tiens. The guy w/ the fit is just comparing them to the stock suspension (...on which he managed to OVERSTEER off the autoX course, lol) so take from that one what you will.
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