I am thinking of getting a set in 245 and 275 for my fikses when the s03s crap out on me. They are so much cheaper than the alternatives. I am not looking to skimp on tires, but i know i sold many sets to customers when i was at the shop and have heard many great stories from other car people, just not FD people.

Anyone?

 

Rich, I had a set a while back and wasn't happy with them. IMO, they're nothing more than pseudo-performance tires for the low of budget. The tread looks nice (for whatever that's worth ), and that's about their only appeal. For regular street driving, they're OK, but for any kind of performance driving, they really lack grip. With the kind of power you're putting out, I doubt you'd get any kind of traction with them. Anyway, I ended up taking 'em off after a few thousand miles and replaced them with S-03s. If I were you, I'd just spend the money on *real* tires. Another good option to consider is the Toyo T1-S. You can get them here at a great price:

http://www.ec-securehost.com/OnlineT...Toyo_T1-S.html

 

Good advice. I was looking at those as well, and i realize that the toyos and s03s are in another league when compared to the es100s. That is a very good price, I am going to bookmark that link.

One other thing to note: the t1-s is *much* lighter than the s03. Nothing scientific, but I have lifted up a pair of stock wheels with one of each on and the difference was very, very noticeable.

Rich

 

me me me

i love them man, and reasonably priced!!!

i run 255 and 275



good choice man

 

Do you look for reasons to post your pictures of your rims? It's just a black FD with some Volks. Why do you love them so much? Do you autocross with your FD? Do you go to a circuit track?

 

hey traitor

why not

just to show him the koo thread pattern

no i dont autox or circuit but i was just sayin that for the price and fuction is great

 

Rich,

I have them on my car for my street rims:

http://mahjik.homestead.com/files/FD...s/MVC-001F.JPG

They aren't the grippiest tire, but the are very good for "spirited street" driving. I wouldn't get competitive with drag, autoX or road racing using them though.

If all you are looking for is a street tire, I'd recommend them. If you will be doing autox or some other type of high performance driving events, I would recommend spending some extra $$$ on the higher performance tires.

 

I have em on my 17s. They are very average. I used them on the track and auto-x. My old Firestone SZ50s that are all hard from age are almost as good as these tires are new. You get what you pay for.

 

Check out Bridgestone RE750s. Tire rack has a couple comparison articles on the yokos and the 750s. The 750s out perform the Yokos, cost only slightly more, and have a better wear rating. I've been using the 750s for a year now and am very happy with them.

 

I tried the Yokos, and hated them. I returned them and got the Bridgestone 750, which is a much better tire. For $5 more, I could have (should have) gotten the Toyo T1-S. I didn't know they were available at that price.

 

On my car, with Tein Flex Coilovers set for 25" ride height f/r, -1.6 camber in front, -1.1 camber in the rear, 0 toe in front, 1/16" in the rear, RE trailing arms and toe links, and new pillow ***** I can consistently pull 1.1 to 1.15 lateral g's using ES100's.

If you want to sum braking/acceleration and lateral acceleration I can get to about 1.3-1.35 total g's.

They usually take about 1-2 laps to warm up but I can overheat them if I get crazy or it's very hot out.

For reference, my only previous tires were some crappy charger something or other and I couldn't get over .8 lateral g's on the stock touring suspension.

Overall these tires have worked well for me over my first 6-7 hpde's.

 

Rich, I've run these tires on 2 different cars.. they're great tires for the $$$, but they're not the "best" tire in the world obviously... For the money, I'd say you can't beat them from the others I've run, but there's a lot grippier out there if you're hunting.

The Toyo TS-1s and teh S03s are obviously a much better tire, but that comes at a price. The closest you're goingto get to overall performance of those tires on a budget are going to be the Kuhmo MXs. They're going to be a tad louder, but I'd bt the grip levels for the $$ will impress you.

Just my $0.02.

 

I'm running Yoko ES100s 255/40/17 and did a few autocrosses this year on them. They were better than my old Dunlop tires hands down. I don't have anything else to compare them against, but they held great during auto-x and have been good on the street.

 

I actually competed on the Kumho MX's a couple weeks ago. Carl knows tires and he agrees with me too.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?p=3718011

Forget everything you know about the Kumho 712, they were garbage. The MX however is a great tire.

 

I thought that was common knowledge. Those tires should not be offered in anything wider than like a 205, so that we know their intended market.

 

so the T1-S performs on par with the kumho MX series?

 

I believe they outperform it.

 

TS-1 > Kuhmo MX, BUT it's also a lot more $$$

 

Khumo MX > Toyo T1-S

 

I have a TII but have run with es 100s before and they were a decent street tire for the money. Then I upgraded to toyo t1s and the es100s cannot even compare at all to them.

 

(a) you spelled Kumho wrong

(b) please quantify your statement. what kind of wheel hp are you making? I am talking 350-400.

 

I agree with speedking. They are a good tire at that price point but they dont like the cold and lack good grip. I have a tough time not spinning them. In the fall they are almost dangerous as they never really heat up. Spend some extra money and get good tires. ES100 will let you down.

 

i agree with aron i had them and i spun them all the time and my car is mostly stock but i lost quarter mile time by going from bald nice tires to new cheap es 100's and they wouldnt heat up for **** at the track or on the street now i have perellis (sp) and they are far better

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/max_perf.jsp

There's no way that the T1-S are equally capable as the MX or the KD, which is widely considered to be one of the best, if not the best non R compound tire out there. The MX has a wear rating of 220, the T1-s has a wear rating of 280. I know that's not a measure of grip, but it's an indication of what it should be. Also the MX has larger tread blocks which is better for high performance. The T1-S is a great tire, but the MX is better.

I've never used either, but everything that I've ever read about them leads me to beleive that the MX is the superior tire.

 

Thanks for the good info. It's too bad that they didnt put the Toyos in that comparison. The MX is certainly impressive, based on it's similarity to the KDs.

Rich