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Old 05-20-18, 07:32 PM
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Am I crazy or will these 18x9 +35's fit up front?

I've been driving my FD on the stock wheels for close to 10 years and it's time for a change. Yes, I know the tire calculator says no to 18x9 +35 with 255's.

I am looking to stuff as much rubber under my fenderwells as possible and would rather not spend a boatload... enter the world of 2005+ mustang wheels.

Looking at a set of 18x9 +35 , 18X10 +43 SVE Drift wheels. They are $570 for the set... new and shipped. Mustang guys seem to love them as track/beater wheels. With a set of hankook tires I would only be in $1500... a little more and i could have star specs.

Wheel Specs:

Size: 18x9"
Offset: +35mm
Backspacing: 6.38"
Weight: 23.1 lbs

Size: 18x10"
Offset: +43mm
Backspacing: 7.20"
Weight: 24.4 lbs

I would run a 255/35/18 front and 275/35/18 rear.

Now, here's how I "determined" that they will fit. I used a set of 30mm spacers to create a 16x8 +20 offset up front with 225 falkens. The tire calculator says this should sit 1/8" further out than the 18x9 +35 with 255 tires. Another caclulator says the 18X9 +35 with 255's will run 3mm futher in than the stock wheels I spaced out. The 255 35 18's are only 1/8" larger in diameter than stock tires.

Next, I put the wheel with 30mm spacer on, jacked under the wheel, and compressed the spring until I was lifting the car with the bump stop (I have stock fenders, eibach springs, and miata bump stops). I could not get the wheel to come anywhere close to the fender. Closest point was the liner screw head and I could still get my index finger between that and the tire. Tried lock to lock and the only potential rubbing I saw was on the fender liner behind the oil coolers.

Am I missing something? Anything else to check before I do something stupid?
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It really depends on how much negative camber you are running and how wide your 255/35-18 is as you are on the edge of having to roll the front fender lip to fit a 255 on a +35 offset.
Every 1 degree of negative camber tucks the tire in ~6mm at the top.

The 18x10 +43 fitment would fit a 255/35-18 up front better than the 18x9.5 +35.

The 8mm toward the correct offset allows you to run 16mm wider tire (8mm on outer fender side and 8mm on inner suspension side.



Note: both 265/35-18 and 275/35-18 are too tall to run up front and will rub the fender liner and possibly the fender while turning- so you are still stuck with 255/35-18 on stock fenders or 285/30-18 with a fender lip roll.
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It really depends on how much negative camber you are running and how wide your 255/35-18 is as you are on the edge of having to roll the front fender lip to fit a 255 on a +35 offset.
Every 1 degree of negative camber tucks the tire in ~6mm at the top.

The 18x10 +43 fitment would fit a 255/35-18 up front better than the 18x9.5 +35.

The 8mm toward the correct offset allows you to run 16mm wider tire (8mm on outer fender side and 8mm on inner suspension side.



Note: both 265/35-18 and 275/35-18 are too tall to run up front and will rub the fender liner and possibly the fender while turning- so you are still stuck with 255/35-18 on stock fenders or 285/30-18 with a fender lip roll.
Thanks, BLUE TII.

The fronts offered are actually 18x9 not 18x9.5. Still, I see what you mean about running the 255 35's on the 18x10's up front. That would net me more fender clearance and the wheel is better centered between the fender and spring.

Now I am leaning towards the 255 35's up front, maybe all around. The car is used for street/autocross and is pretty clean with mostly original (brittle?) paint, so I'm not excited to roll the front fenders if I can help it. I already have a crack from PDR, so I'm not optimistic about a roll.

I could run 275 35's or 285 30's in the rear, but that would mean giving up the option to rotate. Those tires are 4lb heavier too. Your thoughts on those wider rears vs square?
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Well, I prefer a square wheel/tire fitment myself so there is less understeer and I can rotate race tires around when they are getting worn more in one corner from an asymmetrical course layout.

I put 17x8.5 +30 with 255/40-17 Nitto NT01 from my FC on my FD in the off season when it was stock class auto-x car (stock front fenders, max front camber) and the tire did contact the front fender lip. The +35 offset provides 5mm more room from tire to fender, so it would be really close.

255/35-18 on 18x10 +43 all around sounds like a good fitment for stock wheel arch FD to me.
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okay...
i run 255/35 18x9 +35 all around on my FD and i'm lowered on coilovers with stock camber specs. the fronts will need a roll for sure if you drop more than 1.5".... i'm lowered about 2" and had to roll mine... rears of course not an issue. i'm looking to upgrade my rears as i found the rears are not flush enough for me. so i want to order 2 new wheels at 18x10 +30 with 275/35 tires. i like the meaty flush look. but overall i'm happy with 255/35 and 18x9 +35
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Well, I prefer a square wheel/tire fitment myself so there is less understeer and I can rotate race tires around when they are getting worn more in one corner from an asymmetrical course layout.

I put 17x8.5 +30 with 255/40-17 Nitto NT01 from my FC on my FD in the off season when it was stock class auto-x car (stock front fenders, max front camber) and the tire did contact the front fender lip. The +35 offset provides 5mm more room from tire to fender, so it would be really close.

255/35-18 on 18x10 +43 all around sounds like a good fitment for stock wheel arch FD to me.
Awesome. Thanks again. 255/35-18 on 18x10 +43 all around it is.

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i run 255/35 18x9 +35 all around on my FD and i'm lowered on coilovers with stock camber specs. the fronts will need a roll for sure if you drop more than 1.5".... i'm lowered about 2" and had to roll mine... rears of course not an issue. i'm looking to upgrade my rears as i found the rears are not flush enough for me. so i want to order 2 new wheels at 18x10 +30 with 275/35 tires. i like the meaty flush look. but overall i'm happy with 255/35 and 18x9 +35
Appreciate the feedback. That makes sense from my reading and calcs. Going with the 255 35's on 18x10 +43 up front.

I am not going beyond the eibach ride height and I have some pretty tall bump stops in there that limit the suspension travel. I did it accidentally out of cheapness, but tall bumps is a trick some of the E Street class Miata autocrossers used to limit travel/stiffen their stock suspension.

I spaced out the stock wheels 30mm, which should have hit and there was still clearance cuz I was riding on the bump stops.

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Well... went ahead and ordered the sve drifts in bronze once I saw that they're doing a memorial day sale.

I was able to get the wheel kit with 4 18x10's in bronze without lug nuts for $499 shipped. DAMN.
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Personally I'd run 255/35-18 fronts and 275/35-18 rears. Square fitments and ability to rotate are overrated IMO...
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Personally I'd run 255/35-18 fronts and 275/35-18 rears. Square fitments and ability to rotate are overrated IMO...
Good point. I'm pretty bad about rotating tires and I've always heat cycled and aged out tires before the tread wears. I had a set of gen 1 star specs that I finally retired last year if that tells you anything lol. They were getting SKETCHY!

I put maybe 5k street miles a year on the car and try to do at least a few autocrosses. That's even harder to do now with a baby in the mix!

For both square and non I was looking towards the Hankook R-S4 as a street/autox tire. Seems to have the widest tread of all the 200 tread wears at 9.5" and a good section width to protect the wheel. It's also a bit shorter than the others. A pound heavier than ZIII's tho. Good reviews and value. Any experiences?
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RE71R is faster... I just got a set in 245/40-17 for the BRZ, won my class in time trials at New Hampshire Motor Speedway couple of weekends ago over another BRZ on 235 NT01s.
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RE71R is faster... I just got a set in 245/40-17 for the BRZ, won my class in time trials at New Hampshire Motor Speedway couple of weekends ago over another BRZ on 235 NT01s.
Congrats! That sounds like a lot of fun. So you have the LS FD, S2K, and a BRZ?!
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Wheels came. 18x10 all around. I am pretty impressed with the quality and finish. They do have a DOT and VIA on the back of the spokes along with a 690kg load rating.

I was a little nervous about the color, but I really like the combo - and it looks even better in natural light. Reminds me of the silver Spirit R RX8 with bronze wheels that they got overseas.

I really want to run the RE71R's... Buuut I've read horror stories about the tread wear on the tire rack reviews. Like 3,000 street miles + a few autocrosses = CORDED. Which is what i would be doing. I'd really like to drive these on the street and autocross so I'm leaning towards the RS4 kooks again because they're an actual 200 treadwear tire. Any other recommends?







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I was a little nervous about the color, but I really like the combo - and it looks even better in natural light. Reminds me of the silver Spirit R RX8 with bronze wheels that they got overseas.
Yeah, they look great! Nice shade, lighter and more muted than some "bronze" wheels, more of a champagne color, goes great with the silver

I really want to run the RE71R's... Buuut I've read horror stories about the tread wear on the tire rack reviews. Like 3,000 street miles + a few autocrosses = CORDED. Which is what i would be doing. I'd really like to drive these on the street and autocross so I'm leaning towards the RS4 kooks again because they're an actual 200 treadwear tire. Any other recommends?
RS4 sounds good for more life and nearly the same performance level. In the dry anyway...
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Update: RE71R's I got for the BRZ are worn to or beyond wear indicators after 3 track days and ~2k street miles :O

I was able to get 6 track days and 5k street miles out of NT01s on the RX-7... So I'm going back to NT01s to drive the BRZ to/on/from the track (will run my winter tires the rest of the time).

Of course RS4s are a much better option for a real street tire with some hydroplaning resistance if the last few tenths of a second on track aren't critical to you.
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Update: RE71R's I got for the BRZ are worn to or beyond wear indicators after 3 track days and ~2k street miles :O

I was able to get 6 track days and 5k street miles out of NT01s on the RX-7... So I'm going back to NT01s to drive the BRZ to/on/from the track (will run my winter tires the rest of the time).

Of course RS4s are a much better option for a real street tire with some hydroplaning resistance if the last few tenths of a second on track aren't critical to you.
Wowwww... yeah that's probably not worth it for me to chase time of the day at the local autocross.

I'm trying something completely different that I'm slightly embarrassed about based on the brand, but they are 120 TW semi-slicks and got rave reviews abroad. I decided to try them based on the fact that this set of wheels/tires is really an experiment aimed at seeing how cheaply I can cram soft wide rubber under the stock fenders for ASP autocrossing. If I like them in person and they fit in there I'll have the tires mounted and report back with my flame suit on and hopefully some good results.
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hankook RS4 tires are my favorite and my go-to recommendation. thats what i run. i think you may find the 10" fronts will rub a lot on the plastic gaurads at full lock
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i think you may find the 10" fronts will rub a lot on the plastic gaurads at full lock
If he tried to run too tall of a front tire like a 265/35-18. The FD fits up to a 25" diameter front tire in front.
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Thanks for all the help. Really liking this wheel/tire setup so far. Tires are NS-2R semi-slicks with 120 TW rating by Nankang. A good number of people in the UK have been using them for track days I could not find a single bad review except for wet driving, which I never do. For almost half the price of RE71R I had to try them.

Wheels and tires balanced out great and feel excellent at speed. I noticed minimal difference in acceleration and steering feel going to this heavier combo. Turn-in is insane and I can already tell these will have more grip than my skinny *** in touring seats can handle.

These tires run wide (15% wider according to the specs). There is some rubbing up front with the wheel straight and full compression on DS. It's happening where the fender tabs push the liner further down. I'm putting new upper shock mounts in soon because my DS mounts has compressed. We'll see if that alleviates it.


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I think those look great on FD.
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I think those look great on FD.
Thanks! Glad I found your old thread about cheap mustang wheels and checked them out.
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Shock mounts and -1.5 camber all around took care of my rubbing issues. Camber is close to correct, but I'm still working out tire pressure - they seemed to cool off in the middle around 30 psi.

Did an autocross the other day in 90 deg temps with -1.5 deg camber all around and found them to grip well. I haven't found the limit yet and still ran an OK time on a really tight course (37 sec). They seemed even and predictable. For sure they are no Hoosier A7's, but for dual purpose tires and 1/3 the price I really can't complain.

I have the 120 TW version and I think my Falken RT are softer before warming up. I think these tires need some heat in them to shine.

I'll try a few more races with them, but I'm thinking about buying a second set of these SVE's and throwing some A7's on them. I'd just have to decide if I drive on them 3 miles to the autcrosses at RIR or get a hitch.
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For local events, I always drive to/from the venue on my 285/30/18 A7s. It's 4-5 miles each way and I definitely don't regret it (when the alternative is using my tire trailer and changing tires on site)
The tires don't heat up much on the drive there, but they do round themselves back out after having sat for a couple weeks (or longer)
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For local events, I always drive to/from the venue on my 285/30/18 A7s. It's 4-5 miles each way and I definitely don't regret it (when the alternative is using my tire trailer and changing tires on site)
The tires don't heat up much on the drive there, but they do round themselves back out after having sat for a couple weeks (or longer)
I imagine the sand blasting isn't any worse than the autocross lot. Do you have your fenders rolled with the 285's? What kind of hitch do you have?
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Wow, I get more than three track events out of Hoosiers, that's pretty bad.

The wheels look great... I think rotating is overated for street tires, I run 255/275, but for track its essential if you want them to last. I even flop them on the rim at half life.
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