18x10 & 18x9 on my S4
09-07-06, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nightzonekids
The guys crying and bitching are just old farts
sit back and watch fellas
The guys crying and bitching are just old farts
sit back and watch fellas
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09-08-06, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nightzonekids
The guys crying and bitching are just old farts 
sit back and watch fellas
sit back and watch fellas
btw I'm 19. I guess I'm too much of a square to get it man, I'm totally not in on the scene right now.
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09-08-06, 01:52 PM
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strike up the paean
if the car isn't 1/4 of an inch off the ground with super skinny hipari tire, you aren't cool enough to get acknowledged by up and coming import crowd.
after all, nobody has slammed their cars and run super stretched tires before. its mad tyte dawg. gotta keep up with the latest trendzerrr... performance mods.
its functional to a point. 195 on a 11" in d1gp? alright. 195 on a 11" in daily traffic? retard.
after all, nobody has slammed their cars and run super stretched tires before. its mad tyte dawg. gotta keep up with the latest trendzerrr... performance mods.
its functional to a point. 195 on a 11" in d1gp? alright. 195 on a 11" in daily traffic? retard.
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
Watch the tires get shredded and the wheels get fucked up when you turn hard? I don't get it. I have 18x9+38 on the front of my FD and I think that's too aggressive of an offset, because even though it currently has a 225/40/18 tire on it, I can't stop it from rubbing. It's my least favorite thing about the car right now, without a doubt.
btw I'm 19. I guess I'm too much of a square to get it man, I'm totally not in on the scene right now.
btw I'm 19. I guess I'm too much of a square to get it man, I'm totally not in on the scene right now.
Don't knock it till you try it and or get the right info. Hachis dont run 195s on 11s, its more like on 8.5s-9s.
There such a thing as caster, camber, fender rolls, pulls, overfenders. All assist in fitting wheels. If you want it to stop rubbing, mess with all those, a roll should be your first thing, those tabs on your fenders are useless, get a roller and roll, thatll give you quite a bit of clearance.
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if you don't get it, or don't like it, fine. but why waste time telling other people they're stupid for doing it, or trying to come up with BS reasons as to why it might be dangerous or something... if you aren't into it, just let it go. let people do their own thing. why would you even care?
09-12-06, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by KiDyNomiTe
There such a thing as caster, camber, fender rolls, pulls, overfenders. All assist in fitting wheels. If you want it to stop rubbing, mess with all those, a roll should be your first thing, those tabs on your fenders are useless, get a roller and roll, thatll give you quite a bit of clearance.
-Ted
09-15-06, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
If you're suggesting to mess with alignment settings like caster and camber just to make the wheels fit, that's a dangerous thing to say...
-Ted
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Do you guys track your cars? Any sort of performance aspect in your setup? What's the function for you? If you just want big rims, big tyres, and stock clearance, etc, then ok. That's where your credibility ends though, imo. When you start telling me how to align my track car b/c some things were done by some pen pushers and bean counters that compromised the performance of a car to sell mass market items to throngs of consumers (such as yourself) I will kindly ask you to sit down.
*DO YOU KNOW ANY RACE CARS IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE THAT RUN STOCK ANYTHING SETTINGS???
That being said, a function of drifting (specifically at a higher level, whether you "like it" or not) is setting a car up with a certain amount of tyre streching (if the driver prefers it) at a certain ride height (if the driver prefers it) with a certain amount of camber (again, what the driver prefers). If this differs from your goals, just say it, it doesn't mean ANYONE is wrong in what they do.
At the end of the day, if I want to go fast round a track i wouldn't get in a car, I'd get into a 125cc shifter kart. You guys should go race some 125 karts and tell me if you think your street car is fast anymore. No. That's why cars are used for drifting and fun ****, b/c nothing is fast enough when you drive a kart.
09-15-06, 02:18 PM
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You're talking aout two different things. There's nothing wrong with relaigning your car, or modding to non-stock settings for BETTER PERFORMANCE.
That's one thing. Cranking in 4 degrees of camber and running tires three sizes too small because your dumbassed teenager poser "phat lip" wheels don't fit the ******* fenders is another thing entirely. I guarantee you... GUARANTEE... that real production car racers do not make choices based on how "phat" the lip will be.
Second, YES, most <insert big company> engineers DO know more than you... particularly the sorts that actually engineered the tires you're using. They know more than you, end of story. The publish recomended specifications because those are what WORK. Not "look cool". Not "make wheels the wrong size wheels fit", because those things aren't their job. Their job is to make the tires work.
Look, anyone can do whatever they want to their car, it's a free country, but don't expect people who actually know what they're talking about to blow smoke up your *** and tell you how cool you are when you put something out of engineering spec on the car and then dick with the alignment to make it work. That's bad engineerinmg no matter how you slice it.
That's one thing. Cranking in 4 degrees of camber and running tires three sizes too small because your dumbassed teenager poser "phat lip" wheels don't fit the ******* fenders is another thing entirely. I guarantee you... GUARANTEE... that real production car racers do not make choices based on how "phat" the lip will be.
Second, YES, most <insert big company> engineers DO know more than you... particularly the sorts that actually engineered the tires you're using. They know more than you, end of story. The publish recomended specifications because those are what WORK. Not "look cool". Not "make wheels the wrong size wheels fit", because those things aren't their job. Their job is to make the tires work.
Look, anyone can do whatever they want to their car, it's a free country, but don't expect people who actually know what they're talking about to blow smoke up your *** and tell you how cool you are when you put something out of engineering spec on the car and then dick with the alignment to make it work. That's bad engineerinmg no matter how you slice it.
Originally Posted by Dorifto_PG
Oh god. Here we go. The [insert large company]-engineers-know-more-than-you-so-you-can-never-touch-the-factory-settings argument!
Do you guys track your cars? Any sort of performance aspect in your setup? What's the function for you? If you just want big rims, big tyres, and stock clearance, etc, then ok. That's where your credibility ends though, imo. When you start telling me how to align my track car b/c some things were done by some pen pushers and bean counters that compromised the performance of a car to sell mass market items to throngs of consumers (such as yourself) I will kindly ask you to sit down.
*DO YOU KNOW ANY RACE CARS IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE THAT RUN STOCK ANYTHING SETTINGS???
That being said, a function of drifting (specifically at a higher level, whether you "like it" or not) is setting a car up with a certain amount of tyre streching (if the driver prefers it) at a certain ride height (if the driver prefers it) with a certain amount of camber (again, what the driver prefers). If this differs from your goals, just say it, it doesn't mean ANYONE is wrong in what they do.
At the end of the day, if I want to go fast round a track i wouldn't get in a car, I'd get into a 125cc shifter kart. You guys should go race some 125 karts and tell me if you think your street car is fast anymore. No. That's why cars are used for drifting and fun ****, b/c nothing is fast enough when you drive a kart.
Do you guys track your cars? Any sort of performance aspect in your setup? What's the function for you? If you just want big rims, big tyres, and stock clearance, etc, then ok. That's where your credibility ends though, imo. When you start telling me how to align my track car b/c some things were done by some pen pushers and bean counters that compromised the performance of a car to sell mass market items to throngs of consumers (such as yourself) I will kindly ask you to sit down.
*DO YOU KNOW ANY RACE CARS IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE THAT RUN STOCK ANYTHING SETTINGS???
That being said, a function of drifting (specifically at a higher level, whether you "like it" or not) is setting a car up with a certain amount of tyre streching (if the driver prefers it) at a certain ride height (if the driver prefers it) with a certain amount of camber (again, what the driver prefers). If this differs from your goals, just say it, it doesn't mean ANYONE is wrong in what they do.
At the end of the day, if I want to go fast round a track i wouldn't get in a car, I'd get into a 125cc shifter kart. You guys should go race some 125 karts and tell me if you think your street car is fast anymore. No. That's why cars are used for drifting and fun ****, b/c nothing is fast enough when you drive a kart.
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Well considering I work with <insert BMW engineers> at <insert BMW designworks> right now, i can first hand say, yes they do know more than me. And no, they do not at the same time. They know how to make a car viable for production and mass consumerism. Stamped, un-touched fenders, tyres and wheels that need to be chained, beaten, crashed, potholes, daily driven.
And then they have their own personal cars. Track cars. NOT STOCK 67 Mustang 350 Cobras, etc. That kind of ****.
Yea crank in -4 camber to fit ridiculous wheels looks and performs stupid. But cranking in negative camber to enhance your performance and have wheels that also fit nicely is not stupid. I can't believe you guys. Drive your car hard. IT NEEDS NEGATIVE CAMBER. You like scrubbing the outside shoulder of a tyre b/c under compression and load transfer you are rolling over to positive camber on the loaded tyre? ****.
And you wanna talk more abou the engineers settign up a car, they have to contend with stock spring rates and stamped/bonded production pieces that are consistent on all cars. But add a big swaybar, 9/8kg/mm coilovers, a low ride height and wide tyres, and now you have a whole NEW set of parameters! Your original formula set forth by said engineers has no bearing and you have to start over.
As for reccomended tyre section widths on certain rim sizes.... NOT EVERY RIM is the same. NOT EVERY TYRE is the same. 245/40/18 Federals do not stretch like 245/40/18 Falkens, etc etc. TE37s do not seat a beat like a VIP designed Reverse lip wheel. Don't believe me? TRY IT. I have. I have used every wheel design you can imagine, mounted a good aray of sizes and compounds from most major manufacturers on them and have first hand experience on track with what works and what doesn't. Go to your default imaginary engineers and ask them how much of that they have first hand experience with. And I'll turn around and ask Mr. Mark Edwards of BMW A.G right here how different he would do things for a hand-massaged track car (wide fenders, modified clearance envelope, modified steering angle).
I'm not trying to convince you guys to stretch a 195 on an 11 (******* stupid) i'm just trying to show you that a 245 on a 10.5 is doable, accepted, safe, and functional.
Keep arguing if you want, i have heard it all, i anticipate what your responses will likely be, and I look forward to proving the validity in my experiences.
And then they have their own personal cars. Track cars. NOT STOCK 67 Mustang 350 Cobras, etc. That kind of ****.
Yea crank in -4 camber to fit ridiculous wheels looks and performs stupid. But cranking in negative camber to enhance your performance and have wheels that also fit nicely is not stupid. I can't believe you guys. Drive your car hard. IT NEEDS NEGATIVE CAMBER. You like scrubbing the outside shoulder of a tyre b/c under compression and load transfer you are rolling over to positive camber on the loaded tyre? ****.
And you wanna talk more abou the engineers settign up a car, they have to contend with stock spring rates and stamped/bonded production pieces that are consistent on all cars. But add a big swaybar, 9/8kg/mm coilovers, a low ride height and wide tyres, and now you have a whole NEW set of parameters! Your original formula set forth by said engineers has no bearing and you have to start over.
As for reccomended tyre section widths on certain rim sizes.... NOT EVERY RIM is the same. NOT EVERY TYRE is the same. 245/40/18 Federals do not stretch like 245/40/18 Falkens, etc etc. TE37s do not seat a beat like a VIP designed Reverse lip wheel. Don't believe me? TRY IT. I have. I have used every wheel design you can imagine, mounted a good aray of sizes and compounds from most major manufacturers on them and have first hand experience on track with what works and what doesn't. Go to your default imaginary engineers and ask them how much of that they have first hand experience with. And I'll turn around and ask Mr. Mark Edwards of BMW A.G right here how different he would do things for a hand-massaged track car (wide fenders, modified clearance envelope, modified steering angle).
I'm not trying to convince you guys to stretch a 195 on an 11 (******* stupid) i'm just trying to show you that a 245 on a 10.5 is doable, accepted, safe, and functional.
Keep arguing if you want, i have heard it all, i anticipate what your responses will likely be, and I look forward to proving the validity in my experiences.
09-15-06, 03:44 PM
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All i've ever said was, the exact brand of tire that the original poster put on these wheels is smaller than the minimum size listed in the manufacturers acceptable range.
So what we have is someone who bought FAR wider rims than he needed for the tire sizes he wished to run, with lower offsets, and/or mounted tires smaller than is recommended (Let alone OPTIMAL), and then by admission, cranked down to max camber so that the damned things would clear the fenders.
Look, I know all about jockeying things to fit... for a reason.... my wheels and suspension and fenders and alignment are hardly stock.
I'm running 1.5 and 1.7 degrees of camber and 1/16" of toe-out, with rolled fenders and shimmed tubular trailing arms to get the 18x10's +50's to fit. But I didn't do all of that to fit 235's on there, they're 285's, like they should be.
So what we have is someone who bought FAR wider rims than he needed for the tire sizes he wished to run, with lower offsets, and/or mounted tires smaller than is recommended (Let alone OPTIMAL), and then by admission, cranked down to max camber so that the damned things would clear the fenders.
Look, I know all about jockeying things to fit... for a reason.... my wheels and suspension and fenders and alignment are hardly stock.
I'm running 1.5 and 1.7 degrees of camber and 1/16" of toe-out, with rolled fenders and shimmed tubular trailing arms to get the 18x10's +50's to fit. But I didn't do all of that to fit 235's on there, they're 285's, like they should be.
Originally Posted by Dorifto_PG
Well considering I work with <insert BMW engineers> at <insert BMW designworks> right now, i can first hand say, yes they do know more than me. And no, they do not at the same time. They know how to make a car viable for production and mass consumerism. Stamped, un-touched fenders, tyres and wheels that need to be chained, beaten, crashed, potholes, daily driven.
And then they have their own personal cars. Track cars. NOT STOCK 67 Mustang 350 Cobras, etc. That kind of ****.
Yea crank in -4 camber to fit ridiculous wheels looks and performs stupid. But cranking in negative camber to enhance your performance and have wheels that also fit nicely is not stupid. I can't believe you guys. Drive your car hard. IT NEEDS NEGATIVE CAMBER. You like scrubbing the outside shoulder of a tyre b/c under compression and load transfer you are rolling over to positive camber on the loaded tyre? ****.
And you wanna talk more abou the engineers settign up a car, they have to contend with stock spring rates and stamped/bonded production pieces that are consistent on all cars. But add a big swaybar, 9/8kg/mm coilovers, a low ride height and wide tyres, and now you have a whole NEW set of parameters! Your original formula set forth by said engineers has no bearing and you have to start over.
As for reccomended tyre section widths on certain rim sizes.... NOT EVERY RIM is the same. NOT EVERY TYRE is the same. 245/40/18 Federals do not stretch like 245/40/18 Falkens, etc etc. TE37s do not seat a beat like a VIP designed Reverse lip wheel. Don't believe me? TRY IT. I have. I have used every wheel design you can imagine, mounted a good aray of sizes and compounds from most major manufacturers on them and have first hand experience on track with what works and what doesn't. Go to your default imaginary engineers and ask them how much of that they have first hand experience with. And I'll turn around and ask Mr. Mark Edwards of BMW A.G right here how different he would do things for a hand-massaged track car (wide fenders, modified clearance envelope, modified steering angle).
I'm not trying to convince you guys to stretch a 195 on an 11 (******* stupid) i'm just trying to show you that a 245 on a 10.5 is doable, accepted, safe, and functional.
Keep arguing if you want, i have heard it all, i anticipate what your responses will likely be, and I look forward to proving the validity in my experiences.
And then they have their own personal cars. Track cars. NOT STOCK 67 Mustang 350 Cobras, etc. That kind of ****.
Yea crank in -4 camber to fit ridiculous wheels looks and performs stupid. But cranking in negative camber to enhance your performance and have wheels that also fit nicely is not stupid. I can't believe you guys. Drive your car hard. IT NEEDS NEGATIVE CAMBER. You like scrubbing the outside shoulder of a tyre b/c under compression and load transfer you are rolling over to positive camber on the loaded tyre? ****.
And you wanna talk more abou the engineers settign up a car, they have to contend with stock spring rates and stamped/bonded production pieces that are consistent on all cars. But add a big swaybar, 9/8kg/mm coilovers, a low ride height and wide tyres, and now you have a whole NEW set of parameters! Your original formula set forth by said engineers has no bearing and you have to start over.
As for reccomended tyre section widths on certain rim sizes.... NOT EVERY RIM is the same. NOT EVERY TYRE is the same. 245/40/18 Federals do not stretch like 245/40/18 Falkens, etc etc. TE37s do not seat a beat like a VIP designed Reverse lip wheel. Don't believe me? TRY IT. I have. I have used every wheel design you can imagine, mounted a good aray of sizes and compounds from most major manufacturers on them and have first hand experience on track with what works and what doesn't. Go to your default imaginary engineers and ask them how much of that they have first hand experience with. And I'll turn around and ask Mr. Mark Edwards of BMW A.G right here how different he would do things for a hand-massaged track car (wide fenders, modified clearance envelope, modified steering angle).
I'm not trying to convince you guys to stretch a 195 on an 11 (******* stupid) i'm just trying to show you that a 245 on a 10.5 is doable, accepted, safe, and functional.
Keep arguing if you want, i have heard it all, i anticipate what your responses will likely be, and I look forward to proving the validity in my experiences.
09-15-06, 10:25 PM
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Let's try this backwards, since you won't let this thread die...
Wrong.
Engineers are given a project, and then they present several options to tackle the problem.
It's NOT the engineers that design in the compromises - this is where the bean-counting accountants come in.
Wrong.
Are you old enough to know what a Yokohama A008R / RS is?
Due to the tire design, you don't need -4 degrees of camber to make them work well on the track.
You're making too many blanket statements which are just downright false.
Wrong.
You're still ignoring the suspension geometry.
Sure, the response is changed, but to claim that everything is total "NEW" is just plain ignorant.
It's like saying you need to relearn to drive the vehicle cause you modified the suspension?
In a sense, there's a little bit of truth in it, but you still base your driving on how the car was handling before the suspension modifications.
So you're saying your experience will be absolutely duplicated for some other driver?
Another ignorant thing to say...
Thank you for your input.
Don't be insulted if I totally ignore what you have to say.
I'd like to listen to the tire manufacturers that MADE the tires in the first place.
No, they just prove you're just stubborn as we are...
-TEd
Originally Posted by Dorifto_PG
Well considering I work with <insert BMW engineers> at <insert BMW designworks> right now, i can first hand say, yes they do know more than me. And no, they do not at the same time. They know how to make a car viable for production and mass consumerism. Stamped, un-touched fenders, tyres and wheels that need to be chained, beaten, crashed, potholes, daily driven.
Engineers are given a project, and then they present several options to tackle the problem.
It's NOT the engineers that design in the compromises - this is where the bean-counting accountants come in.
Yea crank in -4 camber to fit ridiculous wheels looks and performs stupid. But cranking in negative camber to enhance your performance and have wheels that also fit nicely is not stupid. I can't believe you guys. Drive your car hard. IT NEEDS NEGATIVE CAMBER. You like scrubbing the outside shoulder of a tyre b/c under compression and load transfer you are rolling over to positive camber on the loaded tyre? ****.
Are you old enough to know what a Yokohama A008R / RS is?
Due to the tire design, you don't need -4 degrees of camber to make them work well on the track.
You're making too many blanket statements which are just downright false.
And you wanna talk more abou the engineers settign up a car, they have to contend with stock spring rates and stamped/bonded production pieces that are consistent on all cars. But add a big swaybar, 9/8kg/mm coilovers, a low ride height and wide tyres, and now you have a whole NEW set of parameters! Your original formula set forth by said engineers has no bearing and you have to start over.
You're still ignoring the suspension geometry.
Sure, the response is changed, but to claim that everything is total "NEW" is just plain ignorant.
It's like saying you need to relearn to drive the vehicle cause you modified the suspension?
In a sense, there's a little bit of truth in it, but you still base your driving on how the car was handling before the suspension modifications.
As for reccomended tyre section widths on certain rim sizes.... NOT EVERY RIM is the same. NOT EVERY TYRE is the same. 245/40/18 Federals do not stretch like 245/40/18 Falkens, etc etc. TE37s do not seat a beat like a VIP designed Reverse lip wheel. Don't believe me? TRY IT. I have. I have used every wheel design you can imagine, mounted a good aray of sizes and compounds from most major manufacturers on them and have first hand experience on track with what works and what doesn't. Go to your default imaginary engineers and ask them how much of that they have first hand experience with. And I'll turn around and ask Mr. Mark Edwards of BMW A.G right here how different he would do things for a hand-massaged track car (wide fenders, modified clearance envelope, modified steering angle).
Another ignorant thing to say...
I'm not trying to convince you guys to stretch a 195 on an 11 (******* stupid) i'm just trying to show you that a 245 on a 10.5 is doable, accepted, safe, and functional.
Don't be insulted if I totally ignore what you have to say.
I'd like to listen to the tire manufacturers that MADE the tires in the first place.
Keep arguing if you want, i have heard it all, i anticipate what your responses will likely be, and I look forward to proving the validity in my experiences.
-TEd
09-15-06, 11:44 PM
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You guys are still talking? Jeeesus.
Group A: Go to the racetrack and have fun driving your cars, with your "out of spec" tire sizes, agressive alignment settings and weirdo wheels...
Group B: Sit at home talking about RX7 Specifications all day, and don't forget to walk your dog, and take out the trash.
Bye byes.
Group A: Go to the racetrack and have fun driving your cars, with your "out of spec" tire sizes, agressive alignment settings and weirdo wheels...
Group B: Sit at home talking about RX7 Specifications all day, and don't forget to walk your dog, and take out the trash.
Bye byes.
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wow people are entitled to their own opinion why so much hate on here? there are alot of styles which i think look yuck but i have yet to see so many negative feedback on one post. just because you have your own style does not make you any better than anyone else maybe the guy drifts for a living ??? http://www.roadsterdrift.com/dd3s/images/dd3-735.jpg as seen an known by many of us roadster owners ... this definetly feels like miata.net where ppl's opinions are forced upon others.
drag = boring x 10
drift = fun till you crash
drag + drift = autox fun and safe
for every straightaway there is a turn.
drag = boring x 10
drift = fun till you crash
drag + drift = autox fun and safe
for every straightaway there is a turn.
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–verb (used with object) 1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
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hater, noun
—Synonyms 1. loathe, execrate; despise. Hate, abhor, detest, abominate imply feeling intense dislike or aversion toward something. Hate, the simple and general word, suggests passionate dislike and a feeling of enmity: to hate autocracy. Abhor expresses a deep-rooted horror and a sense of repugnance or complete rejection: to abhor cruelty; Nature abhors a vacuum. Detest implies intense, even vehement, dislike and antipathy, besides a sense of disdain: to detest a combination of ignorance and arrogance. Abominate expresses a strong feeling of disgust and repulsion toward something thought of as unworthy, unlucky, or the like: to abominate treachery.
09-20-06, 08:35 AM
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Thank you. Now you'll not the distinct difference between that and offering someone sound advice based on engineering parameters set by tire engineers and other knowledgeable folks.
You folks ought to stop taking everything as a personal attack on your "creativity." When someone tells you you're wrong or doesn't like a choice you've made, that's not "hate".
You folks ought to stop taking everything as a personal attack on your "creativity." When someone tells you you're wrong or doesn't like a choice you've made, that's not "hate".
09-20-06, 09:15 AM
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eeeeeeew.
at least get the front wheels mounting surface machined so they sit in more...
or roll the lips.
looks so goofy but hey to each their own.
my car looks kinda goofy and I LOVE IT,
at least get the front wheels mounting surface machined so they sit in more...
or roll the lips.
looks so goofy but hey to each their own.
my car looks kinda goofy and I LOVE IT,
