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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 04:40 PM
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Interested in comments on tubular manifold design

I was inspired by jdmfantasy's killer turbo exhaust manifold design/fab thread so I'll share the result of my Solidworks brainteaser also.

For now, here are some shots of a manifold for my FC. It's based on using 2.0" 304 SS piping, which is overkill for my T4 turbo, but it seems to fit. Comments encouraged.
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 10:53 PM
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I would change the wastegate routing to come off the primary runners at a tighter angle. Wont make a huge difference, but you will be able to control boost better. Overall, good design.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 12:54 AM
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And here's what it looks like assembled on the engine.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 09:03 AM
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bringing the recirculation tube in at a 90 degree angle like that is not ideal. Here is how I have mine on my FC (not 100% sure what brand this manifold was originally)



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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:19 AM
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that wastegate looks like it might get warm ;P
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Fleemer
that wastegate looks like it might get warm ;P
You would think so, but so far it's held up ok actually. It is the older Tial 44mm design before they switched to the smaller MVR design which supposedly doesn't dissipate heat as well (hence the added coolant ports). The gate is not physically touching anything. There's a couple centimeters clearance.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 01:51 PM
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I would change the wastegate routing to come off the primary runners at a tighter angle. Wont make a huge difference, but you will be able to control boost better. Overall, good design.
Not sure what you mean by tighter angle, but at least the wastegate plumbing is at the outer edge of the bend. Tight space at the front subframe and framerails is limiting the wastegate routing.

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bringing the recirculation tube in at a 90 degree angle like that is not ideal. Here is how I have mine on my FC (not 100% sure what brand this manifold was originally)
Agreed, and the fabricator knows this, it's just difficult to model the firewall accurately to determine how much real estate is available. If he has the space, he'll merge the wastegate dump tube more tangential like your pics. Nice shots BTW.

What connector is threaded into your compressor exit? Presumably it's a pressure port, just looks odd to me.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cone_crushr
Not sure what you mean by tighter angle, but at least the wastegate plumbing is at the outer edge of the bend. Tight space at the front subframe and framerails is limiting the wastegate routing.


Agreed, and the fabricator knows this, it's just difficult to model the firewall accurately to determine how much real estate is available. If he has the space, he'll merge the wastegate dump tube more tangential like your pics. Nice shots BTW.

What connector is threaded into your compressor exit? Presumably it's a pressure port, just looks odd to me.
The wastegate routing comes off the primaries at a near 90 degree angle. They should should exit as close to parallel with the runners as possible. If I had 3D modeling software I could show you.

The angle of the wastegate outlet to downpipe actually requires more space than would be necessary with a low angle merge. The shortest path is always a straight line. Im guessing its a small flex section between the wastegate outlet and the downpipe, and thats where the merge should begin.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 02:23 PM
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With fitment constraints you do have to make compromises with the routing of the wastegate runners and recirc pipe. You'll just have to do the best you can.

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What connector is threaded into your compressor exit? Presumably it's a pressure port, just looks odd to me.
They are 1/4" brass barbed fittings, covered with masking tape in that pic.
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