Which intercooler kit would you rather have ?
 

which intercooler kit would you rather for your FD ? if other please post which one.

keep in mind its for a Garrett 62-1, P-trim .96a/r, with Tangential turbine housings


im stuck..

The Greddy FMIC. I couln't be any more happier, personally I think the GReddy unit is one of the best intercoolers made in the market.

If you have stock twins go with the Apexi FMIC

If you have a Single go with the Greddy 3 or 4 row FMIC :)

M2 Large IC,of course I'm a little biased:D

alright *piano man* hehehe

I have the XS engineering front mount. really like not having to move anything around to fit it.

Re: Which intercooler kit would you rather have ?
 

the rx7fashion/XS IC is a good unit

You're running 13's with a T62-1 on a 93 touring?

no he ran a 13 with nonseq stock twins

Oh ok, cuz I have a T62 and I was about to rip the fucking turbo out of my car lol

3 row is the biggest you can go with in a rx7 for greddy .Most people have the 2 row.I have the Greddy 3 row SPL race front mount,its a bad bad boy !

Talk about huge !!

custom made intercoolers flow better than all of the name brand 'kits' some of you guys with "name branditis" should come downunder to see how much name brand stuff you can find on the real performance cars

with a really bad launch i might add...:D

i think id kill my self if i ran a 13 ona t62

superior intercooler
 

you DEFINATELY want the Williams intercooler it is badass!!! of course since i created it i guess i too am a little biased! seriously though one main advantage is that you dont have to relocate the radiator and your A/C will work normally, and best of all it is custom made for you!;)

Re: superior intercooler
 

*humps turbostreetfighters leg*
All i want for cwistmas is my Williams FMIC, my Williams FMIC, my Williams FMIC
*continues humping*

nice to have you and your leg on the boards ;-)

humping my leg
 

horny little bastard!!!! ease up off of my leg!! just joking hump all you want;) have any of you seen my new race car? check it out www.houston-rx7.net it is on the front page if wasnt running alchohol i would use one of my own intercoolers but i dont need it. the car will be in the 800 h.p. range and run in the low 8's!! my first event will be the houston WIC at baytown in mid march look out for me cuz i am coming with a vengeance to all of the fucking haters out there! and best beleive i will be talkin' mad shit once i get it dailed in

lol, wow, calm down
But yeah, Show em whos boss :-D
and good luck

btw your link to http://www.houston-rx7.net/ doesnt work right now

the GReddy 3 row is nice, but you need a new front bumper (i.e, C-West) to get the most out of it. the mouth in the stock bumper is not big enough to feed that huge IC, IMO.

i like the Apex GT FMIC. you can run it with stock twins, then you can go single with no problems. (look at XS. they just ran a 10.60 using this same IC). the only downside i see of the Apex is that it doesnt look as cool as the GReddy, mainly casue its not polished and its not up all in your face.

my .02.

Noone has brought up the fact that the Greddy intercooler doesn't have the greatest track record for lasting and looking very good.From my own personal knowledge on the imports that we've done turbo kits for and were daily driver's.....the Greddy got banged up real easy.The Apexi seemed to hold up alot better for daily driving and there was less of a pressure drop to boot.

Re: superior intercooler
 

damn...that core looks nice, but the piping looks pretty ghetto.

im sure thats a hella good setup though!

The Apexi GT spec Intercooler is pretty huge. In fact I think the over all specs are larger than the Greddy. The Greddy may fill up the mouth of your FD but it's like 2 inches thick. The Apexi core is about 5 inches thick, and about the same lengh and height. Besides, you have to cut into your bumper to get the Greddy to fit. Get the Greddy if you want the added look, and the Apexi if your looking for power. Carl...

any of you out there running the Williams FMIC???

anyone??

I like my HKS Type "S" front mount. It works well and looks good.

:)

Rick
1993 RX-7

For real.

i bought a greddy 3row. i'm very happy now :)

i whould say for sure the m2.

please...do not turn this into a SMIC vs. FMIC debate. if you wanna compare the two, start a new thread. this thread is about FMICs and FMICs only.

i just wanted to clear that up before the debate started.

No where in this post does it say front mount it says which KIT would you rather have and even lists other as a choice also people have already listed M2's earlier in the thread. I don't think anyone is going to start a debate. Let vosko decide what this thread about since he was the one who started it.

i meant front mount intercoolers. i was mainly looking at apexi and greddy and actually bought of one each..... kept the greddy since i have a greddy T78 kit :)

do you have any pics of the GReddy ICs all banged up?? ive seen the Apex cores all messed up and it does not look pretty. here is Tony Yeh's car with what looks like a damaged FMIC. he is running an Apex core.

http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...l/DSCN0730.jpg

http://www.overboost.com/pix.asp?ima...l/DSCN0705.jpg

jeez that looks horrible. hope my greddy doesn't look like that...

hey silvr94r2, you got any pics of a GReddy FMIC all messed up from daily driving??

did tony do some custom fitting to his? i didnt think the apex sat that far up...and when i test fitted mine it didnt sit up that far...mabe its b.c im drunk:D

his FMIC is all custom, but he used the Apex GTR core.

Yup Tony has and Apex'i core but custom piping and end tanks. It's just the core eveything else was welded by Mike Hansen in SoCali. Also the reason why it is damaged is because he actually drives his car on the street.

I have a Greddy 2 row that I installed 2 weeks ago and everyone kept telling me you have pressure drop you will run too hot etc. Here is what I have found NO PRESSURE DROP! The car runs great. I can actually see more boost. The downside from what I understand is the install. You have to move power steering lines, A/C condensor, Radiator and mod varies other things, but the outcome is great. It also looks great

Pressure drop does not mean less boost
 

Pressure drop is the difference in pressure before and after the IC, not a drop in your manifold boost pressure.

If your IC has a pressure drop of 3 psi (at full boost and high RPM), your turbos have to make 15 psi to result in 12 psi showing up on your boost gauge. If your IC has a pressure drop of 1 psi, the turbos only need to make 13 psi to result in 12 psi showing up on the boost gauge. If the intake temperature is the same for both ICs, the IC with lower pressure drop will make more power on the car. The reason is that the turbos need to do less work with that setup, and thus present less of a restriction on the exhaust side. We all know that opening up the exhaust results in large power gains, and for the same reason (backpressure), an IC with lower pressure drop is desireable. You'll make more power.

With high pressure drop, the turbos have to compress the air more (higher pressure before the IC), which means the air going into the IC will be hotter. The pressure drop also moves you around the compressor map for the turbo, which might result in more or less efficient operation. But even if it is more efficient, the fact that it has to run higher pressure makes it very likely that the air will be hotter than it would be at a lower pressure (with a lower pressure drop IC), even if that puts you into a less efficient range of the compressor map.

Pressure drop is bad.

-Max

Great information! Now we just need a list of all the IC's and the corresponding pressure drop. Anybody know what the drop is on an older PFS stock mount is?
-Jedon

Do you have any pics of this intercooler on your car? I'm planning on getting this kit also.

PFS Intercooler Pressure Drop
 

To Jedon,

The pressure drop on the PFS intercooler is 1.25 psi at 10 psi boost & 6000 rpm.

Go to this link for more detail on the PFS and other intercoolers:

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/intercoolers.html

What do you guys think about horizontial mount intercoolers? Good? Bad? All opinions welcaome.

thanks Gun

Check out the www icon on my message. I have lots of pics.

regards

Rick

A true front mount is superior to all the stock mount replacements out there...

I'm partial to GReddy since it's a complete kit.&nbsp Most people don't have the resources to install a front-mount IC from scratch...


-Ted

Until the car overheats! :D

Ted

What are some of the pit falls if someone were to try to install and make thier own kit???

Paul

WIlliams (turbostreetfighter) fmic is bad ace. I love it.

Requirement for TIG welding due to welding aluminum - I would not trust aluminum that's MIG'd...

If you look for economical sources, you can get a kit build around a pre-purchased IC core for cheaper than most of these kit prices.



-Ted

SMIC...m2 race
FMIC....rx7fashion