ID 2000's Worth It ?
 

Hello all , I am in the process of changing out my older BOSCH fuel injectors for the newer EV14 design.I was about to purchase a set of 4 from FIVE O ,( http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/custom-fuel-injectors/ ) when I was reminded of the Injector Dynamics injectors. After doing some searching I've realized that they are the same style injector at twice the price ! The ID's are said to be flow balanced but so are the ones from Five O , so is the price difference justified ? anyone out there using Five O injectors without a problem ?

Hi Marcel,

good to see we both continue to suffer from the same psychosis....(re-designingitus)

i made the move to EV14s after my guy had so many good things to say about the linearity V the older Bosch injectors.

i ended up dealing w John (owner) at Fuel Injector Connection. he knows the RX backwards and forwards, will provide you w the right fit, adapter pigtails and an excellent price. he is a gearhead for sure... w a 6 second chevy S10 in the family along w lots of other toys.

a good guy. pls mention my name and say hi. i suggest you give him a call and discuss your needs.

info@fuelinjectorconnection.com

your link 5 0 looks good and there certainly is nothing wrong w ID. i am not trying to steer you anywhere, just provide you w options.

well i am steering you in the EV14 direction:)

have a great New Year and get that monster on the road

howard

We recommend/use/trust ID's over any other and believe the price difference is justified. Think it's ~$70 difference according to the F-O site, not quite double..

Thanks Howard , i'll call him after the holidays , thanks for the info! I'll have her up and running early in the new year , jus took some time to do some stuff I always wanted to do .Merry Christmas and happy new Year to you and yours too!



Four of these are $519 .http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/honda...-custom-2000cc

Those are not even bosch core injectors. Those are denso's that I believe have been questionably modified to increase flow...

http://injectordynamics.blogspot.com...ctor-in-3.html

OH MY GOD !!! thank you sooo much for sharing that !!!! Injector Dynamics it is then !!!! What about these on ebay ,http://www.ebay.com/itm/120591687608...84.m1423.l2649 , are these Genuine ??

i suggest you buy from one of our vendors, i wouldn't buy injectors from ebay.

ID2000 for sure

+1.

I wouldn't buy ANYTHING that your engine depends on from ebay...

Listen to Howard Coleman, if you are on a budget there are other options. I am 100% happy with 2000 and 1000cc injectors I bought at Fuel Injector Connection.

(4) ID2000s and (2) 033 pumps and duty cycles are in the low 70s on E85 at 568rwhp..IIRC.

Perfect!

I plan to run 4x ID (or other) 2000's and 2x850 stockers with 2x044s on pump gas .

Really good read on that blog

What base pressure?

Lol sorry..i dont know why I typed 033. I run the bosch 044s :lol:

I would think my DC's would be lower if I weren't running E85 but, thats why I tried to go over kill on my fuel system to compensate.

Sorry, I run a 50PSI BP.

Ebay is a marketplace for all companies to sell their products, not everything is cheap replica stuff on ebay, I hate how people give it a bad reputation. I gotta get some IDs soon, they will be worth it when needed.

Agreed....

Many quality vendors sell on ebay, as well as individuals with quality used parts. There are of course tons other crap that gets peddled there as well. The key is, if the price is noticeably less, for a new product, then be weary...

I have recently decided to keep my Bosch top feed 850/1680 with FJO driver. However, the ID's look interesting.

What about these ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/270762400334...84.m1438.l2649

If you trust a company that is willing to sell hammer modified injectors, go for it. We'll pay the extra money to know we get top quality matching/data.

I've had ID1000's in my car for a few years now, they are working well for me. Part of my reason for paying a little extra was because I really enjoyed all the tech info that had been shared on the yawpower.com website over the years. I bought my set of injectors from a local vendor apexspeedtech.com , partly because they are local and partly because their forums also contain a lot of info I've found useful. I would have bought from FullFunctionEngineering if they were around back in 2008.


I'm sure other injector vendors have decent product, but if there's a reasonable price difference I'd rather support local vendors and/or people who are sharing useful info. The tech data on the injectordynamics.com page is very impressive.

I always do some reserch before I buy anything , I am just asking a question , no need for sarcasm!

http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/sh...&productId=246

^these are Bosch EV14 2000cc, they sell matched pairs with the pigtails and length adapters as needed.

I made my own research and ended up getting a pair. After that I checked the serial numbers on them and confirmed them to be stock, non modified, factory Bosch 2000cc ev14's (shorty body with adapter)

now, I also got a pair of their ev14 750cc for the primaries and by the serial numbers they are actually modified 550's (or 525, don't remember the exact number), flow matched. I called fic and they said that ev14's don't come in 725 or 750 sizes and that I won't have any problems and will be happy with them or I can call them back if I have any issues.

I looked at the orifice plates under magnification and they just enlarged the stock orifices a little. you may want to get id725 for the primaries instead as they are both static and dynamic balanced. I guess id725 are also modified 550's, can anybody confirm this?

I haven't started my build so all these injectors are still in their case :(

At $168 each they aren't that much cheaper than the IDs , I my just spring for the IDs and call it a day.

Why would you do that haha

Buying 2000cc injectors from FIC, saved me $149 on the pair vs ID.

Good call :) I run KG rails and I needed the purple tops, they are longer.

i just bought 2 ID 2000 and 2 750s a few months ago. Haven't got a chance to try them out yet though. Only thing i can say is that, they look so cool!

lol sorry

they all look like that

http://robx-7.nopistons.com/d/4946-1/2000+002.jpg

but mine are purple!!!

FYI, those o-ring grooves are clearly designed for an 11mm o-ring as that is not enough support for a 14mm. Did you get sent the wrong top adapters by chance?

I went ahead and purchased 4X ID 2000s from ENZO racing ! Thanks all !

I just ordered two of the bosch ev14 2000/2200 injectors from http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/sh...&productId=246 . I talked to the guy there about them and felt good about the choice.

These are more worth it IMO, Better price $168 each, flow matched set (If I remember correctly he said they flow match them down to 5msec) good enough for me. They come with the correct top adapters (14mm oring and 60mm long injector). I bought them to replace my bosch 1680s for secondarys. The ID's are just too expensive when you can get the same injector for a good bit less, the IDs are just supposedly matched better, but I highly doubt you would feel a difference between a set from the two companies.

And thanks Howard and neit_jnf . Yes ID 725 and 1000s are modified injectors to get those flow rates, they don't come from the manufacturer in those sizes.

This is TRUE ! but for a less than $200 difference I figured the IDs were the better choice , thanks Enzo for the great price !

I haven't been able to use my ID's yet... but if anyone does decide to get them, I have had very good customer support from turblown via email and telephone. :icon_tup: More than glad to answer all my stupid newbie questions.

my rails are 11mm

With those adaptors will the ID2000's work in the stock secondary rail? (for FC)

Yes with 11mm adapters bolt right in. In stock and ready to ship.

I also ordered my injectors from Fuel Injector Connection. I have not received the injectors yet but email responses were quick, transaction was smooth and he shipped them super fast.

I am not sure if Jon (not John i think) knows RX7 like the back of his hand because I had to ask Prew which mm injectors and o-rings and adapters I needed to use. Thanks again Prew :icon_tup: Jon probably knows the stock configuration best, maybe it was the KG & CJ rail he wasn't sure about.

My advice is search in this forum exactly what you need and then talk to Jon and he has all the o-rings, harnesses, adapters etc....

Like someone said in another thread our cars have been running on 1680s for years with no problems, now we have a better injector so all this flow matching stuff won't matter, at least not for secondary injectors. Anyone blew up an engine because of non-flow matched Bosch EV-14s?

So far I am happy with my decision.

:icon_tup:

^ exactly how i feel. Seems to be a lot of hype for no reason on a lot of newer stuff these days.

Picked up my new ID 2000s' yesterday ! Soooo Sexy ! :)

I found this - http://blog.titanmotorsports.com/?tag=bosch-1600 there is some good information and it is interesting because I just switched from 1600/1680s to the 2000/2200s.

However, surprising to me there was a big lean spike and afr's were much leaner during the injector transition with the 2200s compared to the 1680s with the same settings I was using for the 1680s (injector overlap 7 7 5, Pri/Sec transition 30% and Sec transition .1 ms). after doing tons of testing (56 tests/datalogs) of different injector transition settings (injector overlap, Pri/Sec transition % and Sec transition (ms) ), I found settings that work the best for me. The settings that made the most difference was the Pri/Sec transition %, I had to raise it to 40%, the AFR's were leaner during the whole transition with lower %'s, and currently using Sec transition .5 ms and Injector overlap of 5 4 3 works good. But still even at the end of the transition when the idc starts to rise again the afr's were leaner than before with the 1680s, so now I am adding alot of fuel to my fuel map there and tuning, I haven't revved it past 5k yet though.

So it just seems weird so far that everything is much leaner with these bigger injectors that are supposed to flow more. Anyone else had this experience when tuning these injectors after switching from 1680s?

It's nice that the 2000s have linear flow up to 94% where as the 1680s dumped in alot more fuel right at 84% idc, which explains why my afrs would suddenly go so rich right at about 84% idc at the beginning of my tuning session last time I was on the dyno.

Tom,

thanks for sharing...

i expect to be on the dyno thursday w my new EV14s and will definitely run your info past my tuner.

it will be interesting to see how your new secondaries tune out V the 1600s.

i have two 1000 EV14s in my secondaries (pump gas) and another two EV14s (1000) in my elbow that inject methanol at around 116 PSI net of boost. 116/43.5 = 2.66 sq root is 1.63. 1.63 X 2000 CC = 3260 CC X 85% duty = 2771 net. given the ID chart it sounds like EV14s shouldn't have a problem running a bit over 85%.

are you logging fuel pressure thru your datalogit or are you monitoring a gauge? i find my pressure sensor/Datalogit output on Mapwatch to be quite valuable.

i am very impressed w how you have gotten just about all you can get out of the TO4.

howard

the new ev14's def are a vast improvement over the older style injector, reguardless what company has modified them to flow more.

Yes I am logging fuel pressure with datalogit, it works nice. After I get an acceptable tune with these injectors I'll be going back to the dyno soon, I now have the large turbine housing and 4" turbo back exhaust, and will be putting in a walbro 400 lph pump so I can test out some more boost.

Just did some more tuning, I have 20% more fuel added to the inj map across 18000-20000 Pim to keep my afr around 11.5, I've tested it up to 5k rpm and 18psi, 3rd gear full throttle from lower rpms. And 5% more fuel across 16000, it all needs more fine tuning. And 15% 22000 and above. All this extra in the fuel map might just be needed because the idc doesn't start rising up from 45% until about 17 psi boost at 4400 rpm in 3rd gear.

Just curious what sensor you using to log fuel pressure on the datalogit? So you've had to add 20% more fuel when you've just added larger secondary injectors?

I have a autometer electronic fuel pressure gauge and datalogging using the purple wire that is a 0-5v output. Ya when i realized it was leaning out I added 20% fuel to the fuel map and then started tuning. I did some more tuning tonight on 18 psi up to around 7k rpm, I'm getting the afr's tuned good now and the numbers in the fuel map so far are still more than before, so it doesn't really make sense, but I'm not done yet and still need to take out a little more fuel and more fine tuning.

"I now have the large turbine housing and 4" turbo back exhaust"

did you have the above mods on your setup w the older style injectors? if not, it of course wouldn't be apples to apples and could easily explain the need for more fuel.