3rdGen7

I thought Iīd start my own post as this is also a reply in another, hopefully someone will see this and decide to help out the poor little Trini wayy to heck down in the Caribbean

I have a T51 R Kai ..but itīs still in the box because I am having some trouble finding a fuel system. Iīm from Trinidad and itīs a little difficult finding stuff ..so I usually buy in the US.

I need to do the fuel system from top to bottom but I donīt know what size fuel lines I need. I would like to run 2 big Bosch pumps with separate fuel lines from a surge tank in the back with the cosmo pump inside the tank (overkill ? ..I think so..but no worries), rail and either 2 x 850, 2 x 1600 or 4 x 1600 ccīs injectors.

1) What length & size steel braided lines do I need? Where to get them ?

2) What Aeroquip connections/fittings do I need for the above set up ..to put it all together ??? Where to get them ? ..Wish someone could help me out and make a shopping list for me to just print out and hand over to the guy on the other side of the counter to fill out like a prescription ..hint hint

3) Exactly which of the millions of Bosch fuel pumps is the right one to buy ? I bought one of those Cosmo pumps and itīs still in the box īcause itīs going to be too small for my application (feeding the 1600 ccīs ).

Which Bosch pump do I need ? Place and Part Numbers anyone ? Where to buy it ? Iīve asked this question before I lost the links ..doh !

4) I have a SX regulator so thatīll work, but should I buy a primary and secondary fuel rail from Ari, SR Motorsport, K2RD ??? ..the fittings in the above question #1 need to be able to connect to these same rails.

Arggg... I hate not having any help.

OK, hereīs the deal, I someone can fill out this shopping list, get everything so that all I have to do is bolt it up in the damn car.. I will frickinīpay you !!!


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3rdGen7

Cheuk in Seoul

Just some general answers.

Go to www.summitracing.com they had a section on how to set up a fuel system including the how many connector and fittings you need. They also carry all the fittings and steel braided lines you need.

The Bosch pump that I see alot of racers here in Korea use is a Bosch inline pump that was used in the older Porsche 911 turbo.

Sorry I couldn't be more specific...

Marcel Burkett

Maybe you should start by looking at the fuel set of other forum members who are running the T51 , but trust me , two large bosh pumps is definately over kill , two 1600 with a pair of 550 (or 850) would be enough for stock ports boosting to 15# (?) psi , use the recomended pump line sizes as a guide for your hose sizes and as for braided hoses and fittings I get mine custom made at SSL Induserve on sutton street in San Fernando or Trinidad Hose down Victoria Village ( you know we have everything down south ), check the phone directory , one more thing , please dont make us Trinis. look that dumb , if you need to contact me, send a pm.

3rdGen7

Actually itīs more along the lines of larger than normal streetport @ 22-24 psi.

Also, nobody is trying to make anyone look dumb. I am so sick and fed up with all the half *** jobs I get in Tīdad. The same Trinidad hose made up a splitter for my oil sending unit, Tīs into the housing to run two gauges...the damn thing spurts oil and the fittings arenīt even properly sized. I had to spend a whole frickinīday looking for the correct thread to screw into the housing, in the end I ended up using back the oe sending unit nipple and tie into it. ..Oh, and the cotton covered industrial hose they sold me leaks where it was crimped .. I donīt buy anything in TnT anymore.

..that is why Bat running 13 sec 1/4 times with a TDÖ6

AJC13B

Damn dude, that was a pretty harsh post. Not only was it wrong, but fucked up at the end telling the guy not to make Trinis look stupid! Jesus man...we all started somewhere and all asked questions that to others would be common knowledge...

3rdGen7 - I have 2 x bosch pumps (part no 058251910) and have always run 2 pumps. Yes it is overkill, but i would prefer overkill than the possibility of having a fuel pump die on me and then pop an engine because of it. At least 1 pump will still supply enough fuel.

I have a 1st gen 7 which is different of course, but here is a pic of half my fuel setup:



I have 2 x 1650cc injectors and 2 x 720cc and I run 28psi and C16 and have run a best of 10.32 @ 133mph. I have a Malpassi fuel regulator and run 45psi static fuel pressure.

I don't use AN fittings or braided hoses, just normal injection hose and hose clamps, and it works fine

Got any questions, let me know and I will help out as best I can....

87GTR

iTrader: (61)

AJC13B sweet pic of the two fuel pumps!

why does the collector tank have 3 line?
1 to fuel rail
1 return line
1 back to the tank
?????

AJC13B

Thats actually the surge tank!

I have a carter pump under the car that feeds the surge tank and then the 2 outlets to the pumps and up to the fuel rail.

No idea what all the lines do!

3rdGen7

AJC13B ,

Thank you so much for your reply. What size is the outlet of the fuel pump ..so that I know what size fitting goes on to the pump ?

As per Mr. Burkettīs post, Triniīs are really proud people even when they donīt know ..they hardly will admit it.. stupid isnīt it. I have learnt a lot from you guys and I donīt have a problem asking. ..I try to filter the Bullshit on the forum.. and the totally mis-informed replies you get like his. .. I did the fuel calcs hence I know that the pump and the stock primaries wouldnīt work . In here, Iīve learnt that if you donīt know something or are not sure about something..shut to hell up otherwise someone else who knows even less than you do, may take your advice seriously and blow a seal through his exhaust....whatīs even funnier is that he goes and post a bunch of questions as well ?!?! WTF ???

3rdGen7

AJC13B ,

Thank you so much for your reply. What size is the outlet of the fuel pump ..so that I know what size fitting goes on to the pump ?

As per Mr. Burkettīs post, Triniīs are really proud people even when they donīt know ..they hardly will admit it.. stupid isnīt it. I have learnt a lot from you guys and I donīt have a problem asking. ..I try to filter the Bullshit on the forum.. and the totally mis-informed replies you get like his. .. I did the fuel calcs hence I know that the pump and the stock primaries wouldnīt work . In here, Iīve learnt that if you donīt know something or are not sure about something..shut to hell up otherwise someone else who knows even less than you do, may take your advice seriously and blow a seal through his exhaust.

3rdGen7

By the way BAT ..ahem, .. I mean Marcel,

How does one get an FD to run 13īs with a TD06 ?
...wheelspin, clutch slip or low boost ??

AnthonyNYC

iTrader: (3)

Rich,

I just installed the fuel system from Andres this weekend. It saved me!. I have the part number for the bosch pumps that I am using. Call me and I will give you ALL the details to get this up and running. I didnt really reply too much to your posts before since I never did it.

Listen, we started at 8pm with a STOCK fuel system and by 4am we had everything installed. (my friend mike and I) We did it at t and R Racing using their lift which was very nice of them to leave the shop opened that late.

Here is what i did, I dropped my tank, cleaned it out, opened it up and installed the sump from a summit racing. We then ran the lines to the filters (2) and then ran the lines to the Bosch pumps (2) it was rather easy.

I then removed my primary fuel rails with the 850s and tapped the AN fitting on there. No leaks anywhere.

When are you gonna be in the US again? It will take us one day to make this system that will plug right in. If you cant do that then I can help you buy all the components and you can do it yourslef. I do not have AN fitting everywhere.

I have AN fittings where it leaves the sump and where it connects to the primary rail.
For all the rest I have hose connections with hose clamps since there were nipples on the ends of the pumps as well as the filters as well as the y connector.

From the sump I have 2 -10 lines going to filters. From the filters i have 2 -10 lines going to the pumps. From the pumps I have 2 -8 lines going to the Y, from the Y I have one -8 line going to the primary rail. The primary rail is connected to the secondary rail with regular hose (i will change that). THen you haev the return line which I am using the stock return lines that go back to the tank. Thats it.

I will be adding another y connector instead of the one I have now that will use AN fittings.

As for the braided lines, t and r has a lot and it is alos cheap, i would suggest you buy more since you can use it all over the place.

when are you gonna be in nyc again? Just stop by my house like you did the last time lol and we can do this in no time.
Call me.

Anthony

MIKE-P-28

iTrader: (1)

Is that a 1st gen coil holder I spy there...

Damn steve you run 10's with all the freaking interior and audio stuff in there? Imagine if you did a little weight reduction youd be in high 9's no problem, DAMMIT BOY

Marcel Burkett

I am not raggin you because you asked a question , its the manner in which it was done "poor little Trini way to heck down in the caribbean" , I think that **** was un necessary , other Trinidardians (and carribean people ) might not appreciate your pathetic insinuations.
As for the service from the industrial supply companies down here , I never had a problem since I knew what I wnated ,I even did that mod with an oil pressure sending unit teeing with the stocker and had no problem , I wouldn't use the cotton hose for fuel and if I was , I would have made sure that I used the push lock type fittings and not the crimped ones ( the hose wasn't made to be crimped ).
Last but not least , how is the info that I gave wrong ? , if you check around you will find a lot of guys using 2 * 1600 with 2 * 550 or 850 's and ther RP fuel pump with T78 's (Ari ), T04 's , T66 , T 70 , T72 ' s and the like , is it that you think the T51 is actually a T100 in disguise ? , what was different about AjC 13B set up ? , just that he uses two pumps , I said that one good pump can do it , he was concerned about having a pump die so he has a back up , that concern is his , that has nothing to do with if one pump and the perscribed injectors can work , any way as you said I will " shut the hell up " , and converse with more mature forum members, .......... peace.

3rdGen7

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3rdGen7

Thanks Man, when I saw the post on your recent Dyno run, ah busss out laughing īcause I know your partner (T) must be quaking !! Iīm glad your car is coming together...you realize youīre *just* 100 hp behind (R) ...and your car is a full interior street car .. Iīm really glad for you. I am sure those numbers will be a lot higher once you do some tuning and stuff.. good work.

Thanks for offering to help. Iīll call you.

AJC13B

3rdGen - Yeah I know what you are saying! Do you know a guy named Rana? He had a black 1st gen doing low 12s or 11s?

Mike - Yeah, 1st gen coil holders are great I did the 10.3 with no interior or stereo gear mate! lol

Marcel -

That info is wrong. I have the same injector setup on a ported engine and I am pushing 28psi. Whether I have 2 fuel pumps or 1 makes ZERO difference to them pushing the fuel needed for 32psi.

Marcel Burkett

Who said anything about 32psi ? , the man said a larger than normal street port at 22-24 psi . Soul runs two 1600 and a pair of 1000 cc primaries with a bridge , so you are saying that he would require more ? , I think not.

RoTaRyBoYz

AJC13b u know Rana??? thats my real buddy....he had the black 1st gen with the series 5 motor & f9 but he sold it.....did u met him last year when he was by hitman for vacation??

Aye 3rdGen7 yuh know rana, he's the one with the blue JC cosmo yuh was getting wet over.....Rana is a cool guy,he help me alot with my car......he even sent me his 12a turbo dissy he got from hitman for free....i'm putting together a S6 rebuild kit for him when i go to trini for xmas....

why is it when ever allyuh trini people come together in one place to learn & have fun , alyuh have to start ah mudder **** bachanal over BS....

3rdGen i did my fuel system recently to handle about 600HP,this is what i have....(its not 100% completed yet)

stock tank with a competition engineering sump welded on the bottom with a Earls pipe tread-#10 fitting...after that i have ah 90* #10 An fitting with #10 braided lines running to my summit racing fuel filter....just after the filter i have a aeromotive external pump thats about 3feet away from the tank sump.....the out of the pump has #8 briaded lines running about a foot to the bottom of the car where it mates to 1/2 moroso aluminum hard lines ......i used hard lines cuz it looks like stock,its cheeeper & its safe....the hard lines was very easy to bend into shape with a $15 tube bender & it cost alot less than the braided lines......the hard lines start from the rear axle to the fire wall,then it connects to a #8 fitting & braided line.....that braided line now goes into the fuel pressure regulator with a AN fitting then out the other side of the reg with another AN fitting thats attached to #8 braided line that goes to the rail......the return line was also a combo of briaded & hard lines....for return i used 3/8 hard line & #6 braided.....i have stock injectors on the t2 motor ,cuz my REW is not finish building yet.....i hope u get an idea from my setup....good luck & alyuh stop the fighting,cuz alyuh making we trinis look bad

AJC13B

Marcel - WTF are you talking about? You said that 2 x 1600 and 2 x 850s was enough for only 15psi on a street port did you not?

Looks like it! These injectors are enough for 32psi. There fore, the information you posted would be incorrect.

RotaryBoyz - Yeah I know Rana! He went for a ride in my car when he was down here!!

3rdGen7

AJC13B ,

Nope ..donīt know him.

Hey, I was in Au not too long ago. I am thinking of making a pass through Australia agian maybe later this year. I was in Perth and Darwin most of the time though, spent a little time in Mel. I was hoping to make it to the Jamboree 2001 but I couldnīt believe the cost of domestic flights in Australia ..plus I had to work a lot too. ..Quantas are mad people ! ..and with Ansette out of the pic, I guess they run everything now ?!?

When is/was Jamoboree 2002 ??

3rdGen7

I think I am going to just buy like 20 ft of 1/2" and 3/4" steel braided hoses and a bag of fittings from -6 to -10 and take them home...that might be the easiest way to do it.


ahhhh..I guess i do know rana then ..if he's the one with the blue JC cosmo .. I never met him, spoke to him a few times though. Seems like a nice fella.

AJC13B

Jamboree this year is September 21, its going to go off for sure

RETed

One lower - feed to high pressure fuel pump
Three upper - 1) feed from gas tank/low pressure fuel pump
2) return from FPR
3) overflow back to fuel tank

Try to get the lines as STRAIGHT as possible.&nbsp Rule of thumb is a 90 degree fitting restricts flow by as much as 1/37th versus a straight fitting!&nbsp I really don't understand how a lot of these fuel systems like to run all those bent fittings, when a straight one make for more efficient fuel flow.



-Ted

Marcel Burkett

AJC13B.................WTF are you talking about ?, the guy asked for advice on a system , so I recommend one that would suit his needs now and in the future , when I said enough I ment it would enough for his needs , T51 etc. , you said this is wrong so I am wondering how ,nobody would recommend a system that would do the job exactly without any extra capacity designed into it ! .

Marcel Burkett

And further more AJC13B.........................where the HELL did you see the word " ONLY" in that sentance you quoted , here I am trying to figure what the hell ' s wrong with the set up and it's you who cannot read and understand , and don't talk about your GOD DAMN friend who did his so call "calculations " ?????????? , and realized that the stock 550's cannot be used with a pair of 1600's, talk about BULL **** on the forum!!!!.