amemiya

that guy first tells me that hks has no plans for making the t51r kai BB so I went and did some research and it already released the t51r kai BB in japan he didn't even know about it. So I plan on going to japan and get one since they can't get me one. He then says well if you buy it there we won't warrenty it and they won't either. why does this guy get off on not selling parts. I thought they wanted good business?? I have done nothing but try to push HKS parts at my shop because I think they make good products I don't mind spending the extra money. I have gone with alot of HKS products on my car and this guy is trying to she me away from it.....WTF!!

Evil Aviator

There is probably a sales agreement between US and Japanese divisions. This is quite common, and gets rather complex when it comes to the tax, servicing, and warranty issues, not to mention various other hurdles like environmental compliance, differeing regional standards, international trade agreements, etc.

Maybe you should take the availibility (or lack therof) issue up with one of the US marketing managers?

amemiya

finaly one of the higher up hks guy helped me out with my question. The other guy was just doing quessing which does not speak very highly of there customer support. I am a large fan of hks products I hope to see more of there products here in the US.

DELTA_Rotary

See if you can get him to start importing those HKS dogmissions over here. I'm sure they could sell quite a few. Right now they are kinda expensive to ship over here. Around 7k.

magnus

HKS dogmission? funny you should mention that.......

I know one thing of HKS, excellent quality, the best by far.
you must understand alot of people who call these places just have their heads up their ***, they may have just confused you with one of them. I get over 200 phone calls a day, 5 may turn out to be profitable. In those 8 hours I am fielding calls from the mass idiots of the world, it is very very hard to keep your composure and screen the idiots from the serious people.



When we went to LA James from HKS was very happy to talk to us about our car and we spent an hour discussing the HKS parts that are on our car and how we can make them better. That is something you don't get from many companies.

crispeed

What?

crispeed
87TII
9.20@150mph

DELTA_Rotary

Sounds like someone might be doing a tranny swap

jza8shwoff

Just to clearify,

It is true, there were no plans to make the T51R Kai in BB. However there were a few special order units that were made for special projects and certain HKS Japan PRO Dealers. So technically, it was never released and there continues to not be any plans for it becoming a standard HKS part (Japan or in the USA). Before you go assuming that HKS USA doesnt even know about, why dont you ask them. There is a lot that goes on in Japanese companies many dont know. I am sure that if you mentioned that they would have giving you that information. If it was readily available, do you think that HKS USA would not have them here already? Come on, we all are enthusiasts..we all wouldnt mind having a T51R BB.

Good luck trying to get one and hope that you done face the possible 7-8 msrp for the turbo either.

Feel free to comment back as you like....just trying to clear up the issue..

Thanks for your time,

Will


PS. I ll come straight out...I am one of the guys at HKS that you say "dont know jack"

msv

I know most of the guys at HKS personally, and there is one thing for certain: they know their products and the industry inside and out. As Will said, they are all enthusiasts too, and want to have the best components available for all of us, and for themselves for that matter.

I also saw some of the posts at the HKS forum, inappropriately bad mouthing them for not releasing compressor maps and the like for their turbos. Many of the turbos HKS offers aren't just made up of off-the-shelf components; the wheels and housings are proprietary and are only available from HKS. There is a great deal of money invested not only in the research and development of these components but also in their production. So, obviously, they are not going to release some of the more difficult to obtain information. HKS is one of the only companies of its type in their industry, they do extensive R&D, and don't just make up turbo kits, etc. from readily available components.

DELTA_Rotary

So why dont you guys get that tranny of here!!!

jza8shwoff

We can and we have!!! One came in last month and went right out. Unfortunately its not an item that we plan to stock, but you can get one on a special order basis via one of our authorized dealers. The lead time is about 6-8 weeks due partly to shipping and but mostly to the fact that the transmissions are built upon order.

Which transmission are you looking for? FC or FD?

Astro

hey jza8shwoff, tell us a bit about the FD T04R kit!
email me if ya want ajkabani@hotmail.com
I've emailed HKS before for some info and never got a response.
I'm considering picking it up in april.

DELTA_Rotary

FD, whats a price quote on them. I've been looking at HKS and now twister has got me looking hard at the GURU racing dogmission.

amemiya

I blame alot on HKS japan not letting us have this cool stuff. I can get all of it but it takes months of arm twisting. It is not easy. is there realy no market for this stuff. Am I the only one beeting on HKS door for a t51r kai BB or tranny. they make it as far as I know about making your own stuff it is expensive to make the first one but there after it is alot cheep. they should just make alot. I am going to by a g-force do to easy rebiuld a availibulity. I know it is not HKS USA fault they just don't have any say so I guess.

jza8shwoff

Astro,

The T04R kit comes with a stainless steel manifold, HKS racing wastegate, T04R Cutback ("trimmed blades") with an A/R .81 (flows approx. 70lbs/min), dowpipe, w/g dump pump that routes back into the downpipe, charge pipes, heat shields, lines/fittings, air filter and other components for installation.

Here is a link a pic of the kit
http://www.hksusa.com/images/?pid=&id=1409

Delta Rotary,

The 6spd tran's part number is 1603-RZ002. MRSP is $11,175, it can be bought from any of our dealers, which I am sure will be willing to work out a good deal for you. If you want the ratios of each gear, let me know.

Amemiya,

You wouldnt be the only one that wants parts like that, hell I would have a t51r bb on my 2jz if it was more feasible. As for the tranny, like I said before, its available. I know that you are referring to the economies of scale for production, but in certain cases, it wont make a lot of difference in long term pricing. Thanks for acknowledging that its nots HKS USA's fault, but I highly doubt thats its cause they dont have much say, you would be surprized

DELTA_Rotary

I hope when you say good deal you mean hacking 4k off that price. Soul assassin said he could get them here for 7 does it really cost 4k to ship over here? The GURU racing dogmission is only 5k. Does the HKS tranny come with casing or is it just the gearset I would have to put in the stock casing?

RotaryKnight

Actually HKS USA has a lot of say on what products are brought to the US. Actually even more so this season due to a hightened interest in the US market. But think realistically as an FD owner. How many of us are there.....very few in comparison to other types of cars. Not many cars can even spool a T51R.

Like every company in the industry you develop, stock and sell what makes you money. So where is money going to right now? RSX and WRX projects. Why? Because they are more marketable.

Why would you stock a $11,000 transmission for the hope that some rich entusiast will buy it. Also as far as developing parts....yes once something is made the cost to make more does drop. But you have to consider ALL the Rnd costs to get that first one and test it. You have to make up for it somehow.

Don't get me wrong I love my FD and would love to have more and cheaper parts for it available but be realistic most of our cars are almost 10 years old and there are less and less of us each year. Hell mine just got stolen and stripped clean.

As a FD owner(sorta it's stripped but it's still mine) and a MODERATOR on the HKS USA site I see both sides.

Maxthe7man

I have more faith in HKS, than Greddy, HKS is pretty open with their product, same with Apexi, however Greddy seems overly protectionist of their prodcut, they kinda give you that feeling that you don't deserve their stuff, and its priviledge to own it. Just call Greddy USA and ask them about an E-manage system, the attitude they have will knock your socks off..Max

Evil Aviator

Here is my Evil take on that forum discussion:

What really happened on the HKS forum is that a bunch of people who don't understand that a compressor map is multi-dimensional were pressing the poor HKS administrator for a single flow rate number for his products. God only knows how he kept from slapping them silly with a rubber hose.

That proprietary issue is laughable. Flow charts simply show the product's performance (or lack thereof). If HKS really had any original secrets to hide, they would patent them. In my experience, a lack of performance data usually indicates that a competitor's patents or products are being used, and that's the big "secret". I guess HKS thinks that enough people will buy their products based solely on hype. I wish them the best of luck, but would also like to point out that I do not know a single person using their turbochargers.

soul assassin

i beg to differ on the bb turbine! i am gettting one here in a few weeks and they are more then plentiful over here in japan. also 11k is kinda steep for the 6 speed tranny over here they run about 9k of rthe 6 and 8k for the 5 speed

HedgeHog

JZA8SHWOFF Will the T04R fit with the airpump in place?

TIA.

Kurgan

i was one of them asking for a flow number. I know very well that a compressor map is multi-dimensional... but when sizing a turbo and intercooler, don't you think you should match their maximum CFM as close as possible? Especially if you plan on boosting the **** out of the turbo? I think so.... I have no clue why it took so many request to get a ******* flow number from them, but since they posted it... good for them. Now I'm definitely not going with it

as far as your comment on why they aren't releasing the compressor maps, I agree. They probably have used someone elses ideas... In my opinion, there is NO reason not to provide compressor maps or flow numbers... especially to people who "know what they are talking about".... Most big name places just automatically assume that you are a jackass when you call in with questions... I hate that ****.

Evil Aviator

So are you saying that the maximum flow rating of the compressor is your sole consideration for choosing a turbocharger, regardless of what boost level, engine rpm, or efficiency at which this flow rate occurs?

Kurgan

Of course not... I wouldn't buy a turbo without seeing the compressor map (and having someone that REALLY knew their **** go over it with me ) anyhow... I just wanted to bitch at HKS and get the ******* flow numbers since no one really knew what they were

amemiya

I think that a patent should protect them. I think they would sell more turbo's if people knew what to buy. Insted of pissing into the wind. I respect HKS because they have made alot of ground in high performance the world and offer some of the best turbo's money can buy thats why the are expensive. I challenged them becuase sometimes it takes some negitive cretisium. I thank them for releasing the flow #'s. This can give us a good idea of how far we can push it. I hope to see more of there products in the USA. But intill then we have no choice but to send are money to japan for parts.