clutch kit?
 

I was planning on getting a clutch kit later on when I get my motor done and wanted something to handle about 450 500 hp and that dont slip , I want a good kit something that feels like stock almost?

anyone

Closest to stock feeling at that power level is going to be spec stage 3+.


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so its been 59 min and you think there should be someone here at your beck and call.... really lol its a forum not custome service


multi disk twin plate setups is the only one that will hod and be stock 'feeling' take your pick exedy carbonetics spec yada yada

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UGh I hated my spec stage 3.

My current clutch, which is an ACT Xtreme PP with 6 puck unsprung disc felt much more like stock then the Spec and it also holds way more.

sounds good whats the cost run on one of thoses or any good clutch kit

No disrespect but this is funny.

I drove a 6 puck unsprung extreme ACT for years daily to and from work and everywhere else, I loved it. Why?? Because it felt nothing like stock. It was on or off. I've installed both types on numerous cars and hate to say it but the stage 3+ feels very soft and mushy like a stock oem setup and still holds very well with proper break in.

As far as rating go.

ACT 6puck unsprung is 577ft/lbs.

Spec Stage 3+ 598ft/lbs.

You're misunderstanding something somewhere.

If I have only one complaint about the spec clutches is they seem to be more sensitive to break in than some others we've ran so take your time breaking them in. But that said anytime we get a customer that wants OEM feel Stage 3+ is what we recommend.

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ok thats good to know cause i was reading about it but i figured i had to get a stage 3 or less , thanks alot

i am running the spec stage 3+ also and I like it as well. It bites a bit harsh but what do you expect from a puck clutch.. The pedal feel is close to stock though.

Giken twin plate will hold your power, pedal feel is like stock

what do u mean by it bytes a bit harsh?

I run a spec 2+ clutch, drives and feels close to stock and has been holding 400+ for 3 seasons of lapping. I cant remember the tq rating on it but i remember thinking that it would hold to around 500tq.

My experiances with 6 pucks have always been horrible, at the track they were great but for regular driving they made me hate the car.

Sorry Sean, I have to disagree. My SPEC stage 3+ was the biggest POS! It felt very harsh, ate my flywheel and starting slipping on the dyno. I did the proper break in and all was adjusted correctly. Spec did nothing as it was past the 1 year mark, I explained I needed it to send off for balancing with the motor parts and then it was assemble time, then break in time. Anyway I spoke to the main guy there when I purchased it from them explaining what I was doing and since they are local I decided to try the new 3+. I sent detailed pics and measured the wear. It chipped away at the rivet holes and trashed the disk and PP. I will see if I still have any pics.

I since went to a ACT 6 puck unsprung and love it! 8-9k rpm launches and all is well. I use about a disk a season.

Now on SPEC. I would never support them again after such shitty dealings, however I have read the earlier 3+'s had issues and have resolved them. My guess is mine was one of the first disks they made, maybe before they even realized there was an issue. I bought it around 3 years ago..

ACT all the way!

that would be great but thanks for the info!

I knew you would pop up :) I'm not worried about you disagreeing. You are the only one out of I don't know how many who ran the stage 3+ out of our customers who had any issue. You had a bad experience with one clutch, it can happen. I've dealt with both products multiple times. My first clutch was a ACT and failed miserably it can happen. I still use and recommend them as well. As far the the 6 puck unsprung... can any of you people with any serious honesty say that's like stock?? BS on that one. I drove it for years daily. The guy wants a stock feeling clutch. A unsprung puck clutch is not a a stock feeling clutch if it is a 42R spool like twins. :)

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Stage 3+ is not a puck clutch it is a solid disc it is a little grabby to those unfamiliar but it is very easy on the pedal.

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ok so back to square 1 , i want the best possiable clutch that can handle the hp with no slippage and something i can use for a daily driver or when i want to jame on it it will work nice ? whats ya got?

Twin discs are nice with a little firmer pedal and they can be noisy as well as pricey, stage 3+ is very stock feeling and once broken in will hold up well. Six puck unsprung is nice if you hate the feel of stock and want your clutch to just grab, most people will hate this clutch in day to day driving as it requires a good foot and will work like a switch to the average guy, they also are much harder on drive train components. Best of both would probably be a six puck sprung hub. Any one of those will work. My favorite choices right now are either ACT 6 puck sprung hub or SPEC minitwin. If close to OEM feel is what you want, spec stage 3plus. PM me your price range and I will walk you through it. On a side note we just installed a textralia clutch in a LS2 car and that thing feels like there is no pedal it's so soft. Not for me thanks!!!

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nice will deffently keep u in mind when i get ready to gey my clutch!

I know it sounds weird and should probably be the other way around, but I am totally not misunderstanding something. In fact, I still have my old Spec Stage 3 clutch sitting in my closet and the box from my ACT Extreme clutch there also.

I cant explain it but thats my exprience with both of those clutchs. The spec was harsh as hell and I would stall in parking lots, and it ate my flywheel. With the ACT, its not even close to that bad, YET it holds 500whp fine. That SPEC S3 clutch was a POS.

This is exactly what happened to me when I used to run a Spec S3. This was 4 years ago. Thank god I got rid of it and went to ACT.

so your saying i will mutch rather an ACT clutch the spec cause i will hate a harsh clutch and i drive around parking lots alot , and i am on and off the clutch alot alot! i want something easy and quick ?

I would say if this is a street driven car stay away from unsprung clutches for 95% of the people out there. Look at either a one of these clutches see what falls into your budget and let me know :)

spec stage 3+ softer pedal feel
twin discs slightly stiffer pedal feel and noisy, grabby to some
ACT six puck sprung stiffer pedal feel and grabby, feels snappy.


The question is how much do you want to spend? PM me if you don't want that public.

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the ACT 6 puck i think that would be my choice after what i read but what do you think?

I think that's fine as long as it is a sprung hub clutch.

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what do u think is the best stage to get?

i was thinking stage 3 cause its says sprung hub and for high hp and street driving and a light pedal feel!

but i dont think u can get a stage 3 6 puck , so is the stage 4 6 puck ok ? and what about my fywheel will i need a new one to or what ?

I agree 100% act sprung 6puck :nod:

i thougth most people hated the act 6 puck and that the spec was better

Stage 3-4 ect. are SPEC clutches a 6 puck sprung hub would be a ACT clutch. Most people wont like a ACT 6 puck unsprung hub. I'm recommending looking at a ACT 6 puck sprung hub.

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so witch is better ?

*Better* is subjective to what *you* or *he/she* prefers. You will get mixed reviews on both based on the experience that particular person had with either clutch kit. Either way you go, I would recommend going with a sprung kit if you want it to drive closer to stock. Either ACT or Spec will likely yield good results as long as they are broken in properly. Almost everything in life has a trade-off. If you insist on having factory like driving characteristics, don't expect it to hold insane amounts of power. There are clutches that will attempt to give you both, but you will definitely pay for it. If you are looking to stay with a single disc and want a very user friendly clutch, we have found the Spec clutches to work very well. The ACT, from experience, has required more pedal effort and also has a harsher engagement. While we may not be comparing apples to apples here, we do have a lot of RX-7's come through our shop so I would be willing to bet our opinion holds a little more value than most. Just sayin...:bigthumb:

For your power level, I would recommend a Spec stage 3+ with a good flywheel to match. I hope this clears a few things up for you.

Comparing clutches on very differently weighted flywheels will make a big difference as well. Lighter flywheels require more slipping and coaxing to get going. Combine that with a stiff pedal and un-sprung clutch, and you have what some people would call "street un-friendly", throw the same clutch on the fat stock flywheel, and they may be able to tolerate it. Apples to apples is the only comparison that should count.

And I would listen to recommendations from the guys at A-Spec, they haven't steered me wrong yet. :)

and as for a flywheel what would be best to go with a spec stage 4 6 puck sprung clutch kit?

You can go with a Spec or ACT flywheel. Keep in mind, the lighter you go, the less "driver friendly" it will become. ACT has a streetlite which is lighter than stock but not too light where drive-ability may become an issue with an aggressive clutch.

Also, I see you mentioned going with a Spec stage 4. You can do that but the 3+ will have better drive-ability and also hold more power, but will cost a little more.

:nod: Very true. A lot of people don't take the flywheel into consideration when researching a clutch or gathering opinions on clutch kits.

but the stage 3 spec clutch dont come in 6 puck only 4 puck whats the diff?

If your car is pushing good HP and you want to do Spec then go with the "+" kit. Their non + clutch will eventually slip as the pressure plate is pretty weak.

I would have to disagree with you on this. The pressure plate stays the same from a stage 3 to a 3+. Actually the pressure plate stays the same for every level of Spec's line-up when adding a "+". The ONLY thing the + changes is the disc. In regard to the stage 3, the standard 6-puck gets changed out for a full face carbon semi-metallic disc in the +. The material change in addition to a full face disc allows for more holding power and better street-ability.

so now im back to what clutch kit again , so what i wants for street driving is a stage 4 6 puck spec clutch kit and what about the fluwheel??

You still haven't said what kind of driving you'll do. Mostly street, with a bit of ______ (insert Auto-x, Drag strip, or Road Racing)

How much stop and go traffic will you be doing? Do you care more about engine revving quicker or launching/easier engagement?

These will determine what flywheel to go with.

mostly street driving some street racing and a bit of stop and go but wants it to be nice for stopping and going ?

Spec stage 3+




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ACT HD PP/6 puck sprung. :D

The worst money I have ever spent in my life was for the clutch kit listed above... SPEC can suck my _________.

You decide whats best for yopu. I cant seem to recall any threads on here bashing ACT kits!??

I have vowed to bash SPEC for ever.


Sorry again Sean.. :lol: Back to my beer drinking/...

Can't help it if you're retarded!!!:hah: We've installed too many to not know that yours was either you or a bad example.

If you want close to OEM pedal feel it's about as good as it get's at the moment.

Harnum2009 no one can make the choice for you, it's been made pretty clear the pros and the cons. Either spec stage 3+ or ACT 6puck sprung hub it's up to you.


As far as bashing ACT I had nothing but issues with my first clutch through them, but I don't bash them for it. They make good stuff.

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iv decided to go with spec but not sure what stage ither 3 or 4 3 has a 4 puck and stage 4 has a 6 puck sprung clutch , and is a good fly wheel to go with one of thease?

streetlite or stock flywheel.

Some stuff is funny Sean, but I think you need to rethink that statement (not the retarded part :lol: but putting the blame on me). The issue is clearly is a flaw on SPEC on there earlier production. I will also note the shop I was at dynoing asked what clutch I had and said they had issues with the same models also. This was before I was convinced it was the clutch. I was on a dynojet the week before and it didnt slip at 500rwhp that day but started to once we were on a loaded dyno. I pulled it out a few weeks later and found the results.

Also less web surfing and try to anwser your phone! Just tried to call you about my boost creep that must be my fault as well :nod: