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Old 03-07-04, 05:00 PM
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Buying a Single Turbo FD?

Hey guys,

I need some advice from the you (the single turbo people). I've been looking at FDs for a while trying to find a one perfect for me. Well i found one close to me but it is a single turbo and a big single at that (T-88). This car has A LOT done to it.

I was actually planning on buying a stock or close to stock FD and then modding it myself, but i got to thinking that i could really same myself a lot of time and more importantly, money by just buying an already modded car.

I'm going to take a look at the car this week. I've talked to the guy selling it and he has all the paperwork for everything done to the car. From talking to him and hearing the mods on the car it sounds like he spared no exspence with the mods that he bought. Everything was done by a reputable shop (KDR). The car is going to be tuned by Steve Kan as well.

I guess my question is would it be wise to buy a heavily modded FD right off the bat?

I'm not new to rotaries, I've owned an FC for a while and been reading everything on this forum for a year and a half.

Also, this car would not be a daily driver. Purely a weekend/special occasion/track car.
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If you want a smaller turbo you can always sell the T88 and then just pickup whatever turbo you want, scavenge the parts of the car to pay for what you want and it wont cost you to much extra. Talk to Steve Kan after he tunes it and see what he thinks of the car overall. Buying an already modified FD can be a good idea, but as for this heavily modified of one, I wouldnt buy it if it was going to be my only car.
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getting a t88 car right off the bat will make you hate the fd. you need to work your way up to that much lag and power.
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Originally posted by Icemastr
If you want a smaller turbo you can always sell the T88 and then just pickup whatever turbo you want, scavenge the parts of the car to pay for what you want and it wont cost you to much extra. Talk to Steve Kan after he tunes it and see what he thinks of the car overall. Buying an already modified FD can be a good idea, but as for this heavily modified of one, I wouldnt buy it if it was going to be my only car.
Its not going to be my only car. I have an 87 FC that will probably stay as my daily driver or i may even sell it and buy some economy car. But like i said in my post, this car would strictly be a weekend/special occasion/track car.

Allrotor93, Do you think it would be a good idea to get a smaller turbo for the car for a while (or maybe forever if i like it more) Since the car already has all the supporting mods it would be fairly easy to put a different turbo (just different manifold and some intercooler piping) and then get a retune.
Have you driven or own a T-88 RX-7?
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Thats a Death machine. If you havnt ever driven a small framed car with that kind of power before its very dangerous. ASK KDR how mnay of thier 400+rwhp cars have been totaled. Even a very experienced mid 30's owner they had wrapped his around a pole within the first 3 months.
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Where is this car located? We could look over the car for you if you wanted to come over to the shop.

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if it's red and appears stock on the outside, i know the owners, and they're in louisville ky. it's been 100% built by kdr and tuned somewhat mild from what i've been told. it'd be a nice car to either put a slightly smaller turbo on and make a weekend car, or just turn it into a helluva drag car
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Originally posted by ZoomZoom
Thats a Death machine. If you havnt ever driven a small framed car with that kind of power before its very dangerous. ASK KDR how mnay of thier 400+rwhp cars have been totaled. Even a very experienced mid 30's owner they had wrapped his around a pole within the first 3 months.
last i heard it was 51 single turbo rx7s (some not even making 400 rwhp) out the door and 18 totaled in the first 2 months.

Well if we include me that makes 52 out the door and still only 18 totalled.


You should not start off with this car. These bigger turbos come on like light switches. As soon as you touch boost the needle shoots right up to full boost and your tires just sit there and spin and you go sideways very easily.

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Boys what am I hearing here!? Zoom Zoom? "a death machine"!?

Let me preface this by saying Im the wife of the fella who owns the T-88 RX7. And yep its a nice car, with LOADS of money invested, but I wont do a hard sell on the car, I'll let the car and receipts speak for itself when you come down to look.


I surely would not want to sell a car to someone who could not handle it. However I'll say this, Im a 30 year old woman and even I can handle a 400hp turbo miata and a built V8 miata with nitrous. 220lbs, 400hp, and Im still alive. You boys need to learn to drive better.

All kidding aside, yes it does take a few brains to not kill yourself in a high horsepower car. How many bone stock RX7's have been totalled by people who cannot drive? Thousands Im sure. It doesnt mean Rx7's arent good cars, it means some people cant handle themselves.

Like I said, I drive the miatas in our family and a 2200lb car with 400hp & 450lb/ft of torque @ 2400rpm isnt exactly a buick and I've managed to stay alive for the past 14 years of driving. You want to talk about a light switch, try being on 15 inch tires, in a 2200lb car with a ported 302 5 liter v8 and throwing the nitrous switch on a 125 shot, and yet Ive managed somehow to keep it on the road.

Remember stupid is as stupid does.


This car is a perfect car for someone who wishes to use it on weekends and as a track car or drag car. The car is not a lag monster and is streetable as well as trackable. The boost isnt instantaneous of course, but its not terrible either.


I know I have a vested interest in the selling of the car but I must say for the amount of money we've got invested in this car, and what it may be selling for, it literally is a STEAL. In fact I have mixed emotions on selling the car daily, however we need it gone due to other factors in our lives at the moment. Its a helluva deal for the lucky person who has the money and the inclination to purchase this car. Right place, right time. That being said, I would never want to sell a car to someone who lacks the skill to drive the car but I think any prudent person can handle a car. I would hope that someone knows for themselves if they can or cannot drive and have the skill to handle a sports car?

IMHO Speed takes brains, and stupid is as stupid does. As long as you're not stupid, life is not only safe but LOTS OF FUN. Then again, if someone cant handle themselves and know it then I do guess they need to stick to 3 cylinders and wear a foam helmet.

EDIT:

To the gentleman coming down to look at the RX7, if , while you're here, you'd like to take a ride in an even Lighter weight large turbo high horsepower car I'd be glad to take you out in one of the miatas so you can see how even lighter smaller cars act and react under speed.

Look forward to meeting you.


Cheers
Jennifer

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If you buy it and manage not to wreck it, something will break and when it does it will be a MAJOR pain to fix because you didnt work on the car and know nothing
about it. I wouln't buy it unless I knew some good people close to me that were into the same thing.

Personally, I wouln't buy a hooked up car because I couldnt call it my own. People will ask you about the car and you'll be like "I don't know, someone else did all the work".

And you get what you pay for!! Remember that
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Originally posted by PvillKnight7
If you buy it and manage not to wreck it, something will break and when it does it will be a MAJOR pain to fix because you didnt work on the car and know nothing
about it. I wouln't buy it unless I knew some good people close to me that were into the same thing.

Personally, I wouln't buy a hooked up car because I couldnt call it my own. People will ask you about the car and you'll be like "I don't know, someone else did all the work".

And you get what you pay for!! Remember that
by that reasoning, you should never buy any performance car, as things will always eventually break, and repairs are a MAJOR pain. We should all drive Toyota Corollas and live happily ever after... Whatever.

When something breaks, it really isn't that hard to tell what it is if you have a general knowledge of how the heck that newfangled idea known as the internal combustion engine works. It all starts there and kind of snowballs, but the same basics apply whether the car is bone stock or the biggest baddest machine on the planet. To argue against buying a car because you didn't bolt the parts on yourself is kind of foolish in this situation, as the receipts are there and the parts are visible. Some people may prefer to handle every single nut and bolt on their cars, but why they feel the need to force that belief on to everyone else is a bit beyond me. If you were to take the car being debated over, add its price stock to the price of all of the accessories and parts, and then subtract the asking price, you would be able to see the savings on that side alone. Take into account the cost of installation of the parts and the setup, and you would have to spend thousands of dollars more to duplicate it.

I guess it all boils down to personal opinion, but I know that if I bought a Ferrari, I would feel like it was my own since I bought and paid for it. Regardless of the fact that it was built by someone else. I don't see how it is any different with a modded RX-7. Your money buys and pays for it... It is your car. The only people who spend time trying to detract from that are the ones who are jealous in the first place.

As for people always wrecking single turbo RX-7's. I think that has a great deal more to do with loose nuts behind the wheel than any fault of the car. They can be driven as sedately as any other car, or they can be hammer down all the time. It all depends on how the driver decides to run it. To anyone who feels they can't control a high horsepower car with the throttle applied, I suggest you get involved with your local SCCA and try to take some driving schools... Maybe that can boost your confidence levels hand in hand with your skill levels. You are missing out on a great deal of fun by limiting yourself this way.

On the car in question, I have seen it, driven it, verified receipts, and talked extensively with the owners. It is 100% as they say, and if I could swing the finances, you can bet your butt we wouldn't be having this conversation right now as the car would not be available for sale. I would definitely own it and would be very proud to call it mine. You will love it if you decide to get it Zinx.

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