enzo250

Well im sorry to say but it looks like the fabricator is taking the easy way out to save time and money so that these manifolds could be mass produced cheaply

H2o

It seems like alot of you guys fail to realize that shops that make parts for our cars (M2,A-spec, Pettit) dont have milliions of dollars to dump on equipment to make the absolute best manifold or parts for our car.. they try there best with the skills and equipment availible to them.. Our cars are a dying market, theres always gonna be some haters no mattter what... if a shop puts a alot of R&D, time or pricy material the customer wont pay it and will say "why is so expensive?" " i could get it cheaper"...blah,blah,blah

soon with all the constant bitching out there no one will make "custom" parts and shops will go out of business (M2,pettit,Rp,A-spec,SRX7.com)


Mikey D.

20B Junkie

What its not true?

This is taken from the 600+RWHP thread on page two. AJC13B was saying how the GT35/40 won't make 600RWHP.

fdracer

it won't take millions of dollars to fix this particular problem. a simple redesign of the manifold can completely alleviate the problem. even a-spec themselves have acknowledged the problem and are willing to fix it. i don't even know why you bring this subject up, no one has ever asked any shops to spend millions of dollars on r&d and then sell their product at rock bottom prices. i don't see anyone "bitching" as you say, they just want the manifold to be better, which i gather it will be soon. as for rotary shops going out of business, that's unlikely, but if they do, then oh well. if there's no market for it then there's no market for it. it's not up to the consumer to artificially prop them up by paying exorbitant prices for inferior products.

CCarlisi

You can always get a shop to produce a one off mani. Getting the next cutting edge plug and play ECU might be more difficult at this stage in the car's life. However, the FD is not that old from a global standpoint. In Japan they stopped producing it just last year. So even if the us shops move on there will be plenty of off shore shops that still cater to the FD.

The craftmanship of the A-spec kit looks very nice. I'm sure v2 will be a good buy.

A-Spec Tuning

As was stated above in earlier posts all the above is going to be addressed. I one need to get caught up on previous orders, and two need to clean out the material I have already in stock for the current setup, but at the same time I don't think there are too many people out there complaining about the performance of the current setup either, and thanks for the complements on the welds, 30+ yrs exp, you should see what my welder can do when he feels a little creative.

Thanks,Sean

RICE RACING

Sorry to say it but thats a ***** "designed" manifold !

Mass production and a quick buck have a lot to answer for

Nice welds and good spec material don't mean much when the manifold design is crap ! As far as a 700bhp capable turbo please don't go telling/selling customers this or you will end up in court

A totally non related question can someone please post a 500rwhp or greater SAE dyno graph of this kit on a 13B, we have been waiting forever for this with not even a hint of a responce from anyone who runs this kit ? Surley this is possible given the power potential of the turbo ? maybe A-spec can source one for us ?

Badog

Rice,

If you want to see a dyno chart....go post a thread on it, man! Are you daft, burying the request in a thread? No wonder no one has heard you!

Glad you have a opinion on this. Opinions are like bungs, everyone has one. Thanks for sharing. But I think yours stinks!

Regards,

Tony

RICE RACING

Tony

Same feelings here bro, just read the comments of other "experienced" people who make manifolds I guess all those bungs stink too ?

Beautifull manufacture no doubt ! design leaves allot to be desired ! Cant take it, don't post

Regarding the RWHP figures, who better to ask than the people who sell the kit ! , this question has been asked MANY MANY times and every excuse under the sun has been offered with no real reputable results to back up the advertised claims, so on behalf of all forum readers I am asking a totally valid question. This unit is advertised as a 700bhp turbo then why have we NEVER seen a SAE sheet for 500rwhp (or more?) on a 13B runing turbo only ?

Valid questions and comments bro, none without basis, its clear for all to see

Maxthe7man

If the Turbine numbers are right that I have for that turbo, I would have to say that on a 13b there is not enough flow on the exhaust side for those kind of numbers, especially with T3 style inlet flange...Max

Carl Byck

Max is a smart man in need of glasses

A-Spec Tuning

I would like to know where you keep getting this from, as if I have been misleading people or something, it gets pretty tiring hearing it; nowhere have I ever told people this was a 700hp kit. I have never advertised this.This kit that everybody else seems to be advertising on there sites, isn't even advertised on mine. What I have told people that have called the shop is that garret rates the turbo at 650hp, that there numbers are usually conservative, and that those ratings would be based on a piston motor you will see less on a rotary,I have then gone on to say you should see around 410-20rwhp on stock ports, and 430-40 on a streetported motor at about 15lbs and that you should see that at around 3400 rpms. That the turbo is eff. up to 29lbs and then will start to generate heat. I have said those lines again and again and again. Please do not put words into my mouth or imply that those are my words.If you don't like what you see, cool, thats your opinion and your free to voice it but what you are not free to do is accuse me a misleading people when I never have.

-Sean

Poweraxel

Rice Racing seems to be a hater on anything he doesnt like... theres been numerous dynos on the GT3540 over 400+rwhp by normal everyday people....
the ratio of people running bigger turbos to the small percentage of people running GT35/40's is huge and a decent percentage of those people running bigger turbos cant get 500rwhp or even 400rwhp.... oh well

RICE RACING

Sean

I am glad you went to the effort to clarify your companies view point. I was not putting words in your mouth, I was asking for what I asked for.
There is MANY a claim on this board that this turbo easily supports 500rwhp (or even more) on a 13B rotary and to date NO ONE has ever seen a sheet to validate this claim.

Have you ever seen one ?

RICE RACING

Not hating. Your "seems" is totally wrong !

Just want to see something to back up the claims ? To date there has never been anything approaching the claims by a LONG WAY.

Call it hate if you wish to taint it that way, I see it as wanting to know what the product actually does on our cars, there is a BIG difference there

Badog

Dude,

I respect what you and some others have been through...and doing. I just think you're all bogus for hating based on 0 experience with this setup!

As to why there have not been posts on the sheets, I don't know. For most cases most could give a sheet on what you want to see or not. I imagine most people are happy with what they have and they go from there. I know what I have tuned for and seen on GT35/40s, and you are all wet, bro! Since they are not from my car or my dyno sheets to distribute, I'll just wait until mine is ready, okay?

When I post my dyno sheet, you can continue hating on that thread too, okay?

Regards,

Tony K.

Poweraxel

if i remember corrrectly there has been dyno sheets posted with people over 450 rwhp at 15-16 psi... "Ihor" "nocab" (if i remember right) put down over 475 rwhp at 15-16psi on his car.. hes a normal everyday person who put his car together... if you put this turbo with a good tuner (peter farell,Cameron Worth,Ray lockhead, Chris ott,etc...) 500rwhp doesnt seem to be unitainible..

instead of always doubting it lets find ways for all of us to get 500rwhp from this turbo for all of us to learn

Greddy and HKS make huge claims on there T-78,T-88,T04R,T51R-Kai turbos but most of us know its not achieveable on a 13B but on a Supra, thats a different story!

RICE RACING

Tony Tony Tony, you and others continue to use the word "hate" don't portray yourself as a victim, that's weak !

Post the sheet

That's all I ask, back the claim or dont make the claim ............ simple

Badog

Let me re-cap, for the sake of this thread, that I had the pleasure of being involved in the tuning for the following singles:
T78, GT35/40, T78 (upgraded compressor wheel), XS To4s, XS To4r, Rx-6

Of that list, I would choose a Aspec GT35/40 for my kit. I was pulled towards the upgraded T78, but I don't like the non-bb lag for my goals: 500RWHP under 20psi boost.

Will it be my last turbo? Probably not. But it will be on one of my daily drivers that will see all kinds of track and cruise time.

Regards

Badog

I think that group was called Tony, Toni, Tone, actually!

Wake up! Smell the thread again! What claim did I make? It's all there. I promise I didn't delete it.

I'm not a victim. But you're coming in with some serious baggage, bro. Take a step back a take a look.

My goal is still 500RWHP at under 20psi. I exceed my goals in most cases.

Now that I said that you can kick back in your upside-down rocking chair (you are down under after-all) and wait. You're not adding anything on this thread. So shhh!

Regards,

Toeknee

RICE RACING

Good luck, I hope you make it, till then its a pipe dream and I will treat it as such

Offended, badluck Post a sheet and prove me wrong if that makes you happy

In relation to the thread, that manifold is POOR in design, my opinion or not it sucks *** ! It is made from nice material and well fabricated but thats it !

My 2 cents worth

Badog

Will do. Next time I am down your way, I'll make a point of making you buy me an ale over it.

Marshall

Any links to that dyno? This was the only 15-16 psi pull from Ihor I could find: https://www.rx7club.com/forum/attach...&postid=990150 Note the numbers are STD corrected, an SAE correction would knock them down to 415-ish. Does anybody have an SAE corrected dyno of over 450 rwhp at 15 psi on a street/race port (non bridge or peripheral) engine?

RICE RACING

Mate, I will buy you a "slab of ****" if you do it (your goal) and post it to you

Marshall

Peter,
Can you explain why that mani "sucks ***"? Is it because the runners turn too soon after the exhaust port? Is it because of the fairly sharp angle betwen the runners and the turbo flange? What about the wastegate pipe -would it help if it were angled into the exhaust flow direction? Any idea what type of gains one might see with a corrected version?
thanks!