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Old 10-09-07, 02:16 AM
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410 RWHP at 18 psi??

The more i read i am finding reliable sources of people making well over 400 RWHP with ~20 psi or so on STOCK motors.

I am running a 13B-RE Stock ports and a T04Z turbo at 18 psi AND methanol injection.

Im only making 410???? how did ernieT make 470~ on stock motor...? makes no sense

rx7store tuned btw.

starting to get pissed off also because they tuned it and i cant even take my car past 6k rpms because its running to rich and literally bogs it.
inputs please.
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First you should have asked rx7store about it. You should post your mods. Are you having ignition break up? Do you have an ignition amp, if you don't then that is why you are having the troubles. Those numbers really aren't bad for a stock motor at 18psi, if you want bigger numbers, turn up the boost. You have meth injection but are running boost that can be done on pump alone.
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A7X you have a cosmo motor and the exhaust ports on that are a lot smaller than an REW. That is choking your power. I have no clue why your car is bogging at 6000 because we tuned up to 7500 on the dyno with no problems. You can always come down on a weekend and I can see whats going on. If you want a lot more power you really need a ported motor.
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my comment is moreso on etiquette, as opposed to figuring out what's wrong with your car. keep in mind that i don't know anyone at Rx7Store, the most conatct i've ever had with anyone there was an inquiry on a turbo several months back.

if this is a case where you've been disrespected after trying to talk about your problems with them, then disregard what i say. i know there are always 3 sides to every story. but from Jason's post it doesn't seem like the case.

anyway, here goes ... judging from the fact that your location says Michigan and you drove to Ohio to get your car tuned, i'd say there's problem nothing local to you with near the reputation Rx7Store has. maybe you should have called them first before using the words:
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starting to get pissed off also because they tuned it and i cant even take my car past 6k rpms because its running to rich and literally bogs it.
inputs please.
you have the right to feel any way that you feel and that's especially true if they have handled your situation wrong. however, it just sounds like you skipped communication with them first and it may paint them in an unfairly poor manner if that's the case.

hope everything works out.

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A7X contacted me about the problem a week or so ago, so we have talked about it. I suggested bringing it back down or hooking up a laptop and I could talk him thru taking some fuel out since he has a wideband on the car.

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Old 10-09-07, 07:34 PM
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That isnt bad power for a stock RE motor. Dont compare to ernie, rx7store has your car tuned safe, ernies car are on the edge since it is MEANT for racing
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410 on stock ports and @ 18psi! Thats fine... Right were I would have guessed with a good tune.. I also do not think you will find many running a cosmo stockport making 400+.. I searched awhile back for 400+ on REW stockports and only found a few!
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my car is at PFS getting tuned. I have stock ports with rx7store gt35r turbo. I'm going to add meth-injection to my car and we'll see what it will make.
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well Ray sure know's how to make big numbers!!
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i am not dissapointed with 400 rwhp i was just curious after doing further research.

I was dissapointed with sending my car down and having my car worked on for a couple months and spending big cash that i cant enjoy my car. and somethings were questionable about the car leaving the shop like it did. i choose not to complain because Jason has a very reputable shop and i have seen the quality work when it wants to be done.

I would gladly tune it myself... if i had time. but going to school full time and working full time makes it hard. it is just the principle you know?

anyways my A/F is 10.0 under WOT starting at around 5 lbs you dont think if i leaned it up it would make more power?

P.S. 13B-RE's are not good for more power than a 13B-REW??
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i am not bashing rx7store for everyone who is mistaken.

and also i am not comparing to 1 user and i am not a complete idiot. I know ray is a marvel with tuning these car!
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Originally Posted by A7X
P.S. 13B-RE's are not good for more power than a 13B-REW??
no. not without modifications to airflow (i.e. porting).
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Originally Posted by A7X
The more i read i am finding reliable sources of people making well over 400 RWHP with ~20 psi or so on STOCK motors.

I am running a 13B-RE Stock ports and a T04Z turbo at 18 psi AND methanol injection.

Im only making 410???? how did ernieT make 470~ on stock motor...? makes no sense

rx7store tuned btw.

starting to get pissed off also because they tuned it and i cant even take my car past 6k rpms because its running to rich and literally bogs it.
inputs please.
My turbo on my red fd was bigger than yours too. I was running closer to 24psi on the stock reman.
Also, Ari made 600rwhp on STOCK ports so it can be done. You just have to to have the fuel and turbo for it.
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Originally Posted by A7X
i am not dissapointed with 400 rwhp i was just curious after doing further research.

I was dissapointed with sending my car down and having my car worked on for a couple months and spending big cash that i cant enjoy my car. and somethings were questionable about the car leaving the shop like it did. i choose not to complain because Jason has a very reputable shop and i have seen the quality work when it wants to be done.

I would gladly tune it myself... if i had time. but going to school full time and working full time makes it hard. it is just the principle you know?

anyways my A/F is 10.0 under WOT starting at around 5 lbs you dont think if i leaned it up it would make more power?

P.S. 13B-RE's are not good for more power than a 13B-REW??
I forgot to mention that your exhaust which is 2.5 inch back from the downpipe is also killing your HP.

What are the other issues with the car? Only thing you have mentioned to me is a coupler was blowing off on the turbo.

There are somethings I would have done different on the car, but you gave me the impression you didnt want to spend another dime on it, so we did our best with what we had.

Im not going to charge you to fix any issues. Just figureout a day you can come down and I can take a look at it.

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10.0 AFR is way too rich at the boost that you are running.
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Originally Posted by BlueTII
10.0 AFR is way too rich at the boost that you are running.
Really? I dont think anyone has mentioned that because it was so obvious.

This was a car you guys intially did the work on, did the motor etc.. The first owners name was Sam, white FC with a RE Amemyia body kit on it. Ring a bell?
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Sure, Sam is the guy that screwed several of my customers out of thousands of dollars for paint work. I told him to never bring his car to my shop again, so he trailered it out to you.

For the record we did not build the engine, it was a j-spec that he had purchased from FL., all we did was drop it in for him.

Since you didn't answer his question, I did:
Originally Posted by A7X
anyways my A/F is 10.0 under WOT starting at around 5 lbs you dont think if i leaned it up it would make more power?
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10 is deeply rich. thats my own opinion anyways
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The question isnt if 10 A/F is rich, its why is it doing that when it wasent doing it here when we tuned it.
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Originally Posted by BlueTII
Sure, Sam is the guy that screwed several of my customers out of thousands of dollars for paint work. I told him to never bring his car to my shop again, so he trailered it out to you.

For the record we did not build the engine, it was a j-spec that he had purchased from FL., all we did was drop it in for him.

Since you didn't answer his question, I did:
I got the car from sam which i was screwed royally on also. Hes lucky i dont know where he lives.

Do you know anything else about the motor? mileage?

Anything else i should know?
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Originally Posted by Jason
I forgot to mention that your exhaust which is 2.5 inch back from the downpipe is also killing your HP.

What are the other issues with the car? Only thing you have mentioned to me is a coupler was blowing off on the turbo.

There are somethings I would have done different on the car, but you gave me the impression you didnt want to spend another dime on it, so we did our best with what we had.

Im not going to charge you to fix any issues. Just figureout a day you can come down and I can take a look at it.

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Did you dyno the car with the cut out on or off? I am about to get rid of that cat-back anyways.

I never even got to see the dyno sheet forgot to even ask for it while i was there.
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We dynoed it with the cutout on. I was not sure why that was even on there. If I ran it with it off then the tune would be way off when it was on.
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Jason the intercooler piping barely lines up at the turbo and i am jus going to clock it half an inch or so. no big deal either... the battery cables im sure you may have just forgot about it but i got so screwed when my battery died and my alternator wouldnt charge it because the connections were not even finger tight.
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Originally Posted by Jason
We dynoed it with the cutout on. I was not sure why that was even on there. If I ran it with it off then the tune would be way off when it was on.
so when i change my dual setup to a single setup exhaust im going to need a retune for that to?
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If you go with a 3 inch exhaust back then I would just watch the A/F on the first run. It will lean it out a little .


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