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Why do my new Tokico Blues feel so good?

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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 04:15 PM
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Why do my new Tokico Blues feel so good?

Just put new blues on my 85GSL (70k on the old OEMs) and scooted up winding Page Mill road to the top of the mountain and they were great. Almost as good as my 83GS (which is 200 lbs lighter). Got that nice tight slighly choppy ride (one can spill his tea) but absolutely secure on the tight hairpins.

Why are they better? Theoretically, in a turn the shocks are just dashpots and are ineffective after you've setup your radius. Except for bumps. So it's all in handling little bumps within the turn. And the dashpots (almost) eliminate wheel tramp (unstable suspension oscillations). If the road were perfectly flat you wouldn't need shocks.

That's why the bumpsteer is gone gone gone.

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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 05:02 PM
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 09:11 PM
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Why ask why? Just drive it like you stole it and be happy with the results....
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Old Jun 4, 2005 | 10:24 PM
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um, because your old ones were so bad?


I don't understand it, the tokico blues really are a good shock for the money. just as good as illuminas and even comparable to a set of Koni's (to a point) on a road-course
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 12:15 AM
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because you don't have ST springs, lol and drive on MD roads.
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 12:34 AM
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Why do people call the the Tokico HP's, Blues? (they used to be gold awhile back) and not call the Illuminas, Whites?
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Old Jun 5, 2005 | 12:36 AM
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Bliffle, next time you get an urge to get up to Skyline, give me a holler. I'm always down for taking the 7 through the turns. Maybe we should get a group of us to get up there like all those motorcycle guys do up at Alice's every weekend...or maybe you already do and I'm just really slow...*****....well its an idea if its not already done....a damn good idea if I may say so myself!!!
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 11:40 PM
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i used to drive skyline all the time and grew up driving pagemill every weekend. sometime i might wanna come with a few people up there
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 08:53 PM
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I've got nothing but good things to say about my set of Blues, which have served me well over the past few years. Good response without being too punishing in the bumps.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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I like the Tokiko Blues on my rx7 also.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 11:57 PM
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My Blues make driving my RX7 ten times the fun! I love them...
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 01:09 AM
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I like my NOS golds. Alot of it is because the Spring rate doesn't over power the shocks. I ran a set of blue/golds on my GTX with 300# front and 350# rear and they were blown in 3 months.

The 7 stock is 100# front and 85# stock rear. I moved to a RB setup with 145# front and 100# rears which I think is to soft still. When I finish the front respeed brake upgrade I thing I am going to switch to 225# front and 200 rears.

Its all about the valving and the Spring rate.
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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hmm i guess i'll try some blues next season, thanks for the info
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Old Nov 9, 2007 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TAS
I like my NOS golds. Alot of it is because the Spring rate doesn't over power the shocks. I ran a set of blue/golds on my GTX with 300# front and 350# rear and they were blown in 3 months.

The 7 stock is 100# front and 85# stock rear. I moved to a RB setup with 145# front and 100# rears which I think is to soft still. When I finish the front respeed brake upgrade I thing I am going to switch to 225# front and 200 rears.

Its all about the valving and the Spring rate.
NOS golds? Where do you find a set of those for the 7?
I'm planning on getting a coilover setup and running 200-250# springs but don't know where to go for shocks.
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Old Nov 9, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by inuissus_cendi
NOS golds? Where do you find a set of those for the 7?
I'm planning on getting a coilover setup and running 200-250# springs but don't know where to go for shocks.
I got them 2 years ago from Tokico Direct. It was a closeout shock.

If I had a big enough lathe I could make my own strut tubes. and run a set of MR2/ae86 short stroke shocks from TRD or Tokico Japan.

Anyone want to lathe a strut for me?
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Old Nov 9, 2007 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by inuissus_cendi
NOS golds? Where do you find a set of those for the 7?
I'm planning on getting a coilover setup and running 200-250# springs but don't know where to go for shocks.
I would go with the Illuminas if you are running that spring rate. If you have camber plates, run the MR2 rear strut inserts for your fronts.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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Where can i buy those? How stiff do they get the car, does it handle well?
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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You can purchase them through www.re-speed.com
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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just two of each?

http://www.mrcmfg.com/respeed/catalo...1049570b6355d6

http://www.mrcmfg.com/respeed/catalo...1049570b6355d6
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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Those are the "blues". If you were asking about the race version of the illuminas (used on the rear of the MR2), then this is what you are looking for:

http://www.mrcmfg.com/respeed/catalo...1049570b6355d6
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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pricey.

imthinking blues with either racing beat springs or eibach
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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what lb spring should i run if i plan on running my car around the road course at Pacific Raceways ? Using illuminas but for springs i dunno? I have an se.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bliffle
If the road were perfectly flat you wouldn't need shocks.
Oh yeah? What about weight transfer?
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 10:15 PM
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Sorry, but bliffle is correct on this one. Weight transfer would still occur, it just wouldn't be able to cause the car to lean other than the flex of the sidewalls on the tires.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by redbstd
what lb spring should i run if i plan on running my car around the road course at Pacific Raceways ? Using illuminas but for springs i dunno? I have an se.
It really depends on how serious you are, what your budget is like, and if you want the car to still be streetable or not....
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