7stock 8. . . who's going?
Hmmm, looks right at home with these cars...
Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
The Koenigsegg doors have been done before and this german guy Brunnen who is my sponsor is one of several persons who have done the same setup... I am just simply a 43 year old guy who loves his RX7 and met this guy who does some things with Rotaries that simply amazed me. I am not too mechanically inclined as in I am not able to take my own engine apart. So what have I done in the last two years since I have had my convertible ?
I have been educating myself with Rotary concept... I have now recently formed an RX7 Club here in Miami of which I have held two successful meets. In this process i have met some industry professionals such as Carlos Lopez who really knows his craft and others like Beale who does wonders with paint on a car. So I have met others that are really good at what they do with Rotary engines and cosmetic work. One of them is now my sponsor and this german guy manufactures the Lambo Door kits that i have put on my convertible and that I have installed on other 2nd Gens.
This german guy in essence wants some exposure to a degree and has opted to provide all these upgrades for my convertible since its the only 2nd gen that i own.. Believe when i tell you that i would not have the funds to take some of these projects on so I feel very fortunate that I am the chosen one. My sponsor manufactures all these neat things... like the AWD suspension that uses two LSD Diffs and semi shafts, a custom built and manufactured crossmember, and also Transfer case... the rack does have to be relocated the center... so if this sounds kind of logical to you who has more experience with RX7's then its not just gospel what I say.
This guy Brunnen makes 3 & 4 Rotor motors... without having to extend the nose ... supercharged or turbocharged of course.. the motors use three (3) spark plugs per rotor. and that is what mine will have... uses an SDS injection system that is used on Aircrafts.
So the AWD suspension works... when it gets on my car and its shown then all of you unbelievers will be swallowing your pride because you wont want to admit that it could have been possible... Did you know that no one makes a Lambo Door Kit for a 2nd Gen RX7 ? Well how do you like this that finally there is a german guy that does... and the proof is in the pudding... i have it on my ride.. my convertible.. all you have to do is come to one of my Miami RX7 Club Meets.. the next one is the NOPI nationals at MOROSO motorsports park on June 5th or just ask some of the people on this thread. Ask MazdaGirl81, DVls-7, or Outkast.. they know what i have on my vert.. they have seen the other kits like the AWD in my plans... so I will have these items in my car because they actually exist. I will be getting carbon fiber fenders as well... or dont you believe that those could be possible as well ?
Here is another kit that will be going on my vert... it is a Hood Kit... the hood lifts up vertically and then glides back and rests right above the windshield so the engine bay is exposed.
I have been educating myself with Rotary concept... I have now recently formed an RX7 Club here in Miami of which I have held two successful meets. In this process i have met some industry professionals such as Carlos Lopez who really knows his craft and others like Beale who does wonders with paint on a car. So I have met others that are really good at what they do with Rotary engines and cosmetic work. One of them is now my sponsor and this german guy manufactures the Lambo Door kits that i have put on my convertible and that I have installed on other 2nd Gens.
This german guy in essence wants some exposure to a degree and has opted to provide all these upgrades for my convertible since its the only 2nd gen that i own.. Believe when i tell you that i would not have the funds to take some of these projects on so I feel very fortunate that I am the chosen one. My sponsor manufactures all these neat things... like the AWD suspension that uses two LSD Diffs and semi shafts, a custom built and manufactured crossmember, and also Transfer case... the rack does have to be relocated the center... so if this sounds kind of logical to you who has more experience with RX7's then its not just gospel what I say.
This guy Brunnen makes 3 & 4 Rotor motors... without having to extend the nose ... supercharged or turbocharged of course.. the motors use three (3) spark plugs per rotor. and that is what mine will have... uses an SDS injection system that is used on Aircrafts.
So the AWD suspension works... when it gets on my car and its shown then all of you unbelievers will be swallowing your pride because you wont want to admit that it could have been possible... Did you know that no one makes a Lambo Door Kit for a 2nd Gen RX7 ? Well how do you like this that finally there is a german guy that does... and the proof is in the pudding... i have it on my ride.. my convertible.. all you have to do is come to one of my Miami RX7 Club Meets.. the next one is the NOPI nationals at MOROSO motorsports park on June 5th or just ask some of the people on this thread. Ask MazdaGirl81, DVls-7, or Outkast.. they know what i have on my vert.. they have seen the other kits like the AWD in my plans... so I will have these items in my car because they actually exist. I will be getting carbon fiber fenders as well... or dont you believe that those could be possible as well ?
Here is another kit that will be going on my vert... it is a Hood Kit... the hood lifts up vertically and then glides back and rests right above the windshield so the engine bay is exposed.
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Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
I dont understand some of you guys on here... instead of being positive and supportive you have to resort to ridiculing someone who actually has a vested interest in innovation. If a modification can be done to enhance a vehicle, then why not do it ?
YES... AWD ALL WHEEL DRIVE SUSPENSION
YES... 4 ROTORS W/ 3 PLUGS EACH
YES... AWD ALL WHEEL DRIVE SUSPENSION
YES... 4 ROTORS W/ 3 PLUGS EACH
Ok... It's not about whether it can be done or not...
We all know that an AWD system for the FC is possible...
But the weight would throw off the car's handling characteristics
to such an immense degree, that it would defeat itself...
Yes the R26B had 3 plugs per rotor... BUT!
You were talking about "making" a 4-rotor engine
with the aforementioned plug arrangement, not purchasing it...
Go ahead... Tell your friend to go and fab you up some housings!
You'll NEED 4 rotors just to move that heavy POS...
I understand your passion, believe me I do...
But when it's all said and done, think about how many rebuilds
you could have got with the money you're talking about dumping
into needless "Monster Garage" -esqe modifications...
Just a little food for thought...
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Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
No Man... its not about that... its about having a Trick item on your car...
Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
you might want to get on the list to buy one of these from me..
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Hey Guys/Girl...
Sevenstock 8 is going to be on October 8th in Irvine, California at Mazda R&D. There are usually other things happening on the weekend like a Friday night meet before the event, and also another meet on Sunday. In the past it has been at Racing Beat, but it might be different this year. Theres a bunch of hotels that are close to the venue that is listed on sevenstock.org.
Give me a call/pm if you end up coming Damian. I live about 40 miles from Irvine so we can meet up.
Sevenstock 8 is going to be on October 8th in Irvine, California at Mazda R&D. There are usually other things happening on the weekend like a Friday night meet before the event, and also another meet on Sunday. In the past it has been at Racing Beat, but it might be different this year. Theres a bunch of hotels that are close to the venue that is listed on sevenstock.org.
Give me a call/pm if you end up coming Damian. I live about 40 miles from Irvine so we can meet up.
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I'll go again. BUT ONLY IF THE SOUTHEAST GETS TOGETHER TO PARTY! Ryan and I closed the bar every night at the hotel...alone 
So, everyone SWEAR they will party out there! SWEAR IT and we'll host some parties at the RXTuner suite
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So, everyone SWEAR they will party out there! SWEAR IT and we'll host some parties at the RXTuner suite B
Originally Posted by rxse7en
I'll go again. BUT ONLY IF THE SOUTHEAST GETS TOGETHER TO PARTY! Ryan and I closed the bar every night at the hotel...alone So, everyone SWEAR they will party out there! SWEAR IT and we'll host some parties at the RXTuner suite
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So, everyone SWEAR they will party out there! SWEAR IT and we'll host some parties at the RXTuner suite B
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Ill party... but I dont think I can drink too much considering I would have to drive back home after. Plus I believe I will be working the event so I would have to get up really early Sat morning.
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Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
I dont understand some of you guys on here... instead of being positive and supportive you have to resort to ridiculing someone who actually has a vested interest in innovation. If a modification can be done to enhance a vehicle, then why not do it ? Brunnen is a master mechanic and has the knowledge and experience in working with Rotaries. If he has figured out a way to have the performance one would be seeking no matter if it was 2 or 4 spark plugs I believe that it would raise an eyebrow. Perhaps no one has ever done it before , until now... and I am looking forward to taking that step in doing something that probably has never been done before. Why not ?
YES... AWD ALL WHEEL DRIVE SUSPENSION
YES... 4 ROTORS W/ 3 PLUGS EACH
I have been running motorcycle NGK spark plugs of which at first i thought to be a crazy thing to do .. but let me tell you what a difference over the irridium plugs... try it... you may like it... but dont knock down someones idea because it may sound ridiculous to you or not jibe with you...
YES... AWD ALL WHEEL DRIVE SUSPENSION
YES... 4 ROTORS W/ 3 PLUGS EACH
I have been running motorcycle NGK spark plugs of which at first i thought to be a crazy thing to do .. but let me tell you what a difference over the irridium plugs... try it... you may like it... but dont knock down someones idea because it may sound ridiculous to you or not jibe with you...
1. Mazda - You cannot get the 26. That is a fact. Even if they would sell one to you (which they wouldn't), you couldn't afford it.
2. Rick Engman (Mazmart) - This is who built the motors for Jim Downing's car (SRP 63). If you were to buy a used one from him, you would be looking at $50k. I doubt someone that could dump $50k on a motor (remember used, not new, new is $125k+), would be dropping it in a FC when they haven't even replaced the top. Plus, he has no plans to sell one to the public either.
You are not going to get a 4 rotor with 3 plugs per housing. Do you even know why there are 3 spark plugs? I do. It does not help you get any more power at all. It is simply to burn all of the fuel in the housing to get the maximum amount of mileage in an endurance race. These motors were used ONLY for endurance racing.
B. AWD - Only one person has successfully converted a FC to AWD that I know of - Millen. He had a 20B with AWD back in the mid 80's for rally racing. It took all of the room under the hood. You want a 4 rotor with AWD, and not cut the nose? Then you will physically have to cut the firewall out and make a custom one in it's place. Looking at the photo of your car, you have no clue as to what must be dome, or you would have stripped the car down to a bare shell first, before attempting even the first modification.
Originally Posted by waysho
Ill party... but I dont think I can drink too much considering I would have to drive back home after. Plus I believe I will be working the event so I would have to get up really early Sat morning.
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Fuggedaboutit !!
Originally Posted by David88vert
A. There are (2) known places that you can get 4 rotors with 3 plugs per housing.
1. Mazda - You cannot get the 26. That is a fact. Even if they would sell one to you (which they wouldn't), you couldn't afford it.
2. Rick Engman (Mazmart) - This is who built the motors for Jim Downing's car (SRP 63). If you were to buy a used one from him, you would be looking at $50k. I doubt someone that could dump $50k on a motor (remember used, not new, new is $125k+), would be dropping it in a FC when they haven't even replaced the top. Plus, he has no plans to sell one to the public either.
You are not going to get a 4 rotor with 3 plugs per housing. Do you even know why there are 3 spark plugs? I do. It does not help you get any more power at all. It is simply to burn all of the fuel in the housing to get the maximum amount of mileage in an endurance race. These motors were used ONLY for endurance racing.
B. AWD - Only one person has successfully converted a FC to AWD that I know of - Millen. He had a 20B with AWD back in the mid 80's for rally racing. It took all of the room under the hood. You want a 4 rotor with AWD, and not cut the nose? Then you will physically have to cut the firewall out and make a custom one in it's place. Looking at the photo of your car, you have no clue as to what must be dome, or you would have stripped the car down to a bare shell first, before attempting even the first modification.
1. Mazda - You cannot get the 26. That is a fact. Even if they would sell one to you (which they wouldn't), you couldn't afford it.
2. Rick Engman (Mazmart) - This is who built the motors for Jim Downing's car (SRP 63). If you were to buy a used one from him, you would be looking at $50k. I doubt someone that could dump $50k on a motor (remember used, not new, new is $125k+), would be dropping it in a FC when they haven't even replaced the top. Plus, he has no plans to sell one to the public either.
You are not going to get a 4 rotor with 3 plugs per housing. Do you even know why there are 3 spark plugs? I do. It does not help you get any more power at all. It is simply to burn all of the fuel in the housing to get the maximum amount of mileage in an endurance race. These motors were used ONLY for endurance racing.
B. AWD - Only one person has successfully converted a FC to AWD that I know of - Millen. He had a 20B with AWD back in the mid 80's for rally racing. It took all of the room under the hood. You want a 4 rotor with AWD, and not cut the nose? Then you will physically have to cut the firewall out and make a custom one in it's place. Looking at the photo of your car, you have no clue as to what must be dome, or you would have stripped the car down to a bare shell first, before attempting even the first modification.
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Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
Regardless of your fact or eyewitness account for some guy named Millen... The guy doing my engine and AWD suspension is a german guy named Brunnen who has done this procedure and work before...
You're just failing to realize the point here.
It seems as if you're grasping for attention or something,
but the truth is, most FC owners are purists in every sense of the word,
and rather than congratulating you for achieving such a feat,
they'll (we'll) tell you that you're an idiot for wasting so much money
doing needless mods to a car that was already nearly perfect...
It just reminds me of "Monster Garage" or something of that nature...
What I'm trying to say is this...
You won't gain much respect from the FC community for
ricing out a 7 with gullwing doors and other related junk...
If you're gonna waste a perfectly good car on that,
go buy something no one cares about...
Like a Nash Metropolitan!
But don't act like everyone's gonna fall at your feet just because
you wanna put a "homebrew" 4-rotor engine in your car...
All I gotta say is have fun bro...
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Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
Regardless of your fact or eyewitness account for some guy named Millen... The guy doing my engine and AWD suspension is a german guy named Brunnen who has done this procedure and work before...
Show me photos of him with a car that he has personally built with either the 4 rotor that you are talking about or the AWD conversion in it. If it's in Miami I'll come and see it. My wife's family is in Miami and I come down there often.
What his shop's name and address?
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sounds alot like an ostrich with its head stuck in the ground doesnt it?
Originally Posted by David88vert
A. There are (2) known places that you can get 4 rotors with 3 plugs per housing.
1. Mazda - You cannot get the 26. That is a fact. Even if they would sell one to you (which they wouldn't), you couldn't afford it.
2. Rick Engman (Mazmart) - This is who built the motors for Jim Downing's car (SRP 63). If you were to buy a used one from him, you would be looking at $50k. I doubt someone that could dump $50k on a motor (remember used, not new, new is $125k+), would be dropping it in a FC when they haven't even replaced the top. Plus, he has no plans to sell one to the public either.
You are not going to get a 4 rotor with 3 plugs per housing. Do you even know why there are 3 spark plugs? I do. It does not help you get any more power at all. It is simply to burn all of the fuel in the housing to get the maximum amount of mileage in an endurance race. These motors were used ONLY for endurance racing.
B. AWD - Only one person has successfully converted a FC to AWD that I know of - Millen. He had a 20B with AWD back in the mid 80's for rally racing. It took all of the room under the hood. You want a 4 rotor with AWD, and not cut the nose? Then you will physically have to cut the firewall out and make a custom one in it's place. Looking at the photo of your car, you have no clue as to what must be dome, or you would have stripped the car down to a bare shell first, before attempting even the first modification.
1. Mazda - You cannot get the 26. That is a fact. Even if they would sell one to you (which they wouldn't), you couldn't afford it.
2. Rick Engman (Mazmart) - This is who built the motors for Jim Downing's car (SRP 63). If you were to buy a used one from him, you would be looking at $50k. I doubt someone that could dump $50k on a motor (remember used, not new, new is $125k+), would be dropping it in a FC when they haven't even replaced the top. Plus, he has no plans to sell one to the public either.
You are not going to get a 4 rotor with 3 plugs per housing. Do you even know why there are 3 spark plugs? I do. It does not help you get any more power at all. It is simply to burn all of the fuel in the housing to get the maximum amount of mileage in an endurance race. These motors were used ONLY for endurance racing.
B. AWD - Only one person has successfully converted a FC to AWD that I know of - Millen. He had a 20B with AWD back in the mid 80's for rally racing. It took all of the room under the hood. You want a 4 rotor with AWD, and not cut the nose? Then you will physically have to cut the firewall out and make a custom one in it's place. Looking at the photo of your car, you have no clue as to what must be dome, or you would have stripped the car down to a bare shell first, before attempting even the first modification.
The most truthfull thing that he said in his email was "that I know of"...That HE knows of." See if he will put his money where his mouth is. An AWD FC with a 4 rotor is shown to him if he will cough up 2000 dollars. Real bet with a mediator holding the cash. Impartia.. PLENTY of people get 4 rotors. Show him the pics I sent you and send him to 4 rotor.com or KIWI racing www.KIWI.com I think.
As to the plugs of course they are mainly for mileage but ALSO efficency and that is horsepower as well and they all count. However, you also do it just for the effect at a show.
As Im suire you are aware every little thing you can do earns you points. Worms like this guy just like to talk. I like his line about the FC being perfect and not wanting to "rice" it! Why not? Its a RICE BURNER like most all the other cars built today.
He also tries to speak for the whole FC community. EVERYONE is different and likes to customize thier cars to show their preference. Its a small percentage of people who
like to leave cars bone stoick because they are PERFECT. The FC is nice but FAR from perfect. It was actually built in the wrong direction from the 1st gen which was lighter and racer. It did get some improvemnets like independant suspension and a bigger wheelbase but it also got heavier. Mostly it was aimed at the college boy market. It just BARELY had all the aluminum parts on it. They were done just at the last minute so iit could be marketed in the US otherwise it would have been a leadslead...
The third gen is much closer to perfect but even it has issues. This is the kind of guy that never loses an argument (in his head) so you cant tell him anything. You go right on showing off all the mods to your car and tell him to smoke a turd.
Better yet, just dont talk to him. Extend the nose...please. See if he will make a bet for October. As far as pics he will surely back down when he sees the AWD setup in the car so ...
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Could i seriously ask WTF is the point of doing a 4 rotor and an AWD setup??? i mean thats fully understandable that the FC is far from perfect i think everyone knows that but doing a 4 rotor and an AWD setup is just plain dumb no offense i just think its a waste of time now you tell me car is going to be a 100% full out race car the AWD would be great for the twistes and the 4 rotor would be more than enough power at top end speeds....and my same comment is the one everyone else has the amount of moeny it requires to do something like that is 100% waste of time i bet $20 i dont ever see that car getting a 4 rotor or an AWD setup....
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Hey Tweak, - Aren't you and Zondervan good friends?
LMAO. You might actually get this stuff done, but as far as your comments, just keep quiet, please. Your comments that you have made in here have absolutely NOTHING to do with the thread topic.
As for the facts that David made concerning the 4 rotor motors, he is correct. It is NOT speculation. I'd say that Jim Downing and Rick Engman's histories are proven fact and they definitely are NOT in a position where they have to try to prove "web knowledge". No one is saying that your mechanic can't pull this stuff off, but it's YOU that is spouting a whole lot of garbage on the web with nothing that can currently back it up. Once you get everything together AND running correctly, come back and show us that we were wrong. Simple as that.
Also, I'm curious as to why you find it neccessary to post irrelevant garbage in other people's thread's JUST for the sake of trying to draw attention to yourself? If you really want to do that, make your OWN thread!
Any chance that a mod could trim all of this unneeded crap out of this thread?
Oh, and to stay on topic, I intend to attend Sevenstock again this year.
Reese LeBlanc
As for the facts that David made concerning the 4 rotor motors, he is correct. It is NOT speculation. I'd say that Jim Downing and Rick Engman's histories are proven fact and they definitely are NOT in a position where they have to try to prove "web knowledge". No one is saying that your mechanic can't pull this stuff off, but it's YOU that is spouting a whole lot of garbage on the web with nothing that can currently back it up. Once you get everything together AND running correctly, come back and show us that we were wrong. Simple as that.
Also, I'm curious as to why you find it neccessary to post irrelevant garbage in other people's thread's JUST for the sake of trying to draw attention to yourself? If you really want to do that, make your OWN thread!
Any chance that a mod could trim all of this unneeded crap out of this thread?
Oh, and to stay on topic, I intend to attend Sevenstock again this year.
Reese LeBlanc