manny34711

Last night me and my friend got a little bored. I had just changed my oil at like 2:30am and we were wide awake and I had my camera there so we decided to some some mini footage. Well I finally got a chance to have a feeling of going sideways in my FD. Its a good feeling but I know I can do alot better. I just need to find some good spots. No flames please.

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=000_000743

turbojeff

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Looks like an accident waiting to happen!

purerx7

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trying to drift huh? You need to hold it around the corner longer, you see in the second part you jerk back real quickly. You can loose control real quick, I would suggest not attemtping to do it unless its impossible for you to hit a tree, i.e wide open area. Besides that, your 7 sounds pretty good.

manny34711

I dont thinks its bad to have fun in the car once in a very great while. Its the first time ive done that since ive owned the car. prolly the last

RotorMotor

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are you TRYING to get the car sideways? please be careful. go easy on the gas while youre in the corner or youll end up doing a 360 and put your car into someone elses or a pole.

manny34711

yeah that was prolly as much as i can hold it before i had to turn back. i wish there was alot more space so i could of kept it going. i did it alot when i had my fc.

turbojeff

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Not bad to have fun at all. I've had my share of fun getting the tail out on my old FD at the auto-x track during practice days.

The problem is what purerx7 mentioned, you over corrected and the snapped back end the opposite way. That is really dangerous, seriously, especially on a wide slide. You'll snap back, not have enough time to correct and slide it right into a curb or pole.

manny34711

yeah the feeling i got when it jerked back was like "ok that was scary, time to call it a night" i have a few more videos from last night like doing some donuts and a stylish u-turns and stuff like that. just one of those nights where i had the need to be extreme i guess. not happening agian for a long time though.

manny34711

i really want to take it to the track but im mostly stock so i wont be going there for a while.

Cgotto6

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Why not track a stock car? Its still fun!

user 9348703

No offense but drifting happens in the turn not after it or because of it hehe.

manny34711--Keep trying man, but try a spot where you cant eat a curb or a tree or a car or some ***** like that..

1QWIK7

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video doesnt work...

tripleseis

Yeah, looks like you have a wide turn there and plenty of room for error. You need to start going sideways right BEFORE the divider ends. Not only is that real drifting but look at all the space you have after that to spin out. If you do it where you just did not only is that not drifting (and looks really stupid) but you will hit a curb or what ever is past that.

Happy learning

FDNewbie

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Like Jeff said. The FD is notorious for losing complete control 'cuz ppl overcorrect.

I'm not gonna play like I'm Youichi Imamura lol but I can tell you that I practice moves and techniques in the FB countless times until I got 'em down pat, then slowly and half-terrified try them in the FD - half cuz I have too much into the car to risk wrecking her, and half cuz the FD scares me crapless (which is good, cuz it keeps me grounded and keeps her in 1 piece hehe )

One technique I've picked up and now use always (it's become second nature w/ me) is I pretty much NEVER correct. You run the risk of overcorrecting and losing control. If the car's sliding out of control, like say you were going to the left hard, I simply take my hands off the wheel complete for a sec, while easing off the throttle SLIGHTLY. What happens? The car immediately corrects ITSELF, bringing the wheel center again, and by LIGHTLY and SLOWLY reducing throttle input, the car will slow on it's own (and immediately) to the point at which it regains traction. Works like a CHARM.

I picked up this technique from a Porsche Best Motoring video I think? It was a special where (Best Motoring?) was taking apart the new 911 Turbo, talking about all the new aerodynamic marvel it holds, and then the guy took it out for a run on the track. He tried it w/o the traction control on for a bit, and lost control. He regained control, and continued on. It was VERY similar to the "dift" you experienced. He wasn't teaching how to regain control lol...just a test drive and his impressions of the car. But me, I was studying and taking notes I rewound it a bunch of times, and watched his technique. Low and behold, it's the best one I've come across. Since then, I've practiced it time after time after time in the FB. On dry pavement, in the rain, giving gas through a turn (purposefully trying to swing the back out and regain control), w/o throttle at all, etc, and simply said, removing your hands from the steering wheel for a sec always allows it to re-center and correct itself. The few times I tried to correct, I over-corrected, and scared myself. Thank God, the FB doesn't have enough power to go crazy LOL so it's an easily salvageable situation.

Lastly, the technique I mentioned re: slowly and lightly reducing throttle is a PROVEN technique in ANY situation in which you lose traction. It's a lot more helpful in FWD cars tho from my experience. Basically, tapping the brake will shift your momentum to the direction you're trying to AVOID. So that's a HUGE no-no. Never get on your brake. At that point, you have two options: slightly reduce throttle, and regain traction that way, OR GIVE IT throttle. That technique, I do NOT recomment in high hp rwd cars. In fwd cars, you can PLOW through the turn giving it gas, even if the rear end is losing traction. I've done that many a time. It's real fun lol. But again, that's FWD. RWD is a diff ballgame, esp. when you have a LOT of power, and peaky power at that. If you give TOO MUCH throttle, you'll go completely sideways or even flip the back end out and end up facing the other direction. So yea, I wouldn't try that technique

That's just my $0.02, from my personal experience, and tricks I've picked up from watching other more experienced drivers, and imitating and practicing their techniques. Take from it as you wish.

Be safe
~Ramy

iceman4357

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this is what happens when the car snaps back too hard. Was my first

tripleseis

Damn where did that happend dude? WHAT happend?

FDNewbie

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Umm..damn dude...you're still ALIVE?! Hope you thanked God a LOT on that one...

TurboIIGuy

yeah you need to snap the wheel at the begining of the turn adn pop the clutch and go easy on the throttle, but in a wide....wide....wide open area so you can get used to it before you start trying to hit things........your video looked slightly dangerous.....some of the other guys are right you can loose control by snapping the wheel at the end of the turn as you did.......but it must have been fun anyhow.

wthdidusay82

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Im kind of a beginner with gettin the car sideways too, its a very delicate process that u cant **** up...

I was going 60mph in the rain on a highway off ramp and the car jerked sidways and when i tried to straighten out it just spun into a 360 and slammed the curb, luckily im ok ... but the car i was driving was a nissan 240sx , i guess u could say the camber/toe angle is pretty fucked up....i replaced the control arm..thats was bent...and still camber/toe is fucked up

the way i would do it is sort of similar to him , i woudl go into the turn and snap the wheel into 2nd gear (mind this car is a 240sx with no power), and then it would go sideways into 2nd (going about 25-30mph), and id get sideways then just pull it back to straighten out...there there have been incidents where i have lost control and came very close to going off the road..where the drifting was very ugly and i got really lucky

drifting skills are good to have for evasive maneuvers and **** like that tho, it helps to avoid accidents and stuff like that if u really know how to drift, but if u are beginner like me u are better off practicing before u go all out...suspension upgrades prolly help too, along with an lsd ( my na rx7 doesnt have one , neither did my 240sx 1990 model)

iceman4357

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Well...i was going around a hair pin corner at a very high rate of speed, the started to slide to the left at which point i counter steer. The car kicks lightly to the right and i started to regain control. The **** hit the fan because when my *** end was a little too far over to the right and cought someones driveway that was sloped upward. This made the back end of my car air born. I counter steered Hard to the right to try and regain(not knowing that my rear end was in the air) and when the tires hit the ground the car took off to the right directly into a rock wall causing the car to roll over onto the driver side door, and then onto the roof. The funny part about it was my friend was with me and he gave himself a concution(sp) because we were upside down and when he unbuckled his seat belt he forgot to put his hands up and rocked his head on the roof. We had to crawl out of the passenger side window to get out.

the tow truck driver couldnt get it flipped back over so he drug it down a hill, put it on the truck upside-down, then lowered the back and flipped my car over. Was one hell of a night. The best part is that not 5 hours earlier my brother totaled my old 1990 300zx, and the same cop wrote our accidents up. Needless to say, we dont drive on Sept. 15th

Old Slow Coach

Read this thread???

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...4&page=1&pp=15

btw, the first time I tried what you did in the corner, it ended with the same result. I'm going to go looking for a large, empty expanse of ashpalt to do some experimenting on. Part of my problem controlling the wheel spin is when I let off throttle I loose my boost pressure and don't have the torque on tap anymore to "feather" the rear end where I want it. This basically leaves no room for error.

manny34711

thanks for the imput guys. yeah i need to go around finding some parking lots or something. theres a few around my area but they have alot of median things in the way so yeah..... got to keep on looking.

user 9348703

Not that my experience is big, but I do a lot of street drifting and did quite a bit of track in my MR2. The FD likes to so left or right vise like the MR2 it wanted to always go straight. So say in the turn the wheel is pulling hard and your way out in a drift and your done, you can almost just let go of the wheel, I mean you never fully let go, but the car corrected its self about 90%. The FD only corrects itself about 60-70% so you can still let go of the wheel, meaning keep your hands on it, just let is free spin. In these cases it really helps you feel your car and what it wants to do vise what you want to MAKE it do. Also if you spin, like this the car will spin in towards the turn, and you wont jerk it to flip around an go back into the guard rail or barrier (track).

These are only some guidelines to help you learn, but you will only learn your way really, and you have to feel your car. Doesnt mean you will be good in all cars, but you can get some good basic knowledge since I still have people cheering me on in my FD on the street, and no guard rails or anything yet. Also pick your spots and be ready for ANYTHING....

Good luck and be safe...

FDNewbie

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Jason, stop stealing my techniques LOL (see post 14 in this thread)

staticguitar313

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yeah i did the same thing in the rain only mine was coming form a dead stop, lost traction car did the same thing only when it snapped back it sent me up the curb over a bush or two, swiped a tree, and was stuck b/c i was in gravel in the rain, with a popped tire and bad alignment.
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