It's just that rotarys are so damn different than the rest. The fact that the same engine running 13s is the same engine running 7s, no bigger pistons to sleeving no custom heads no stroker kits just a simple 1.3 kegg can. That right there is what I love..

+1 on that :icon_tup:

Everyone and their mom races piston engines and I love the look on their faces when a little sewing machine engine kicks their butts. Its priceless.

Well I read this entire thread thus far and to be honest I don't see it as such a big deal. So Enzo decided to go the piston route. Many said it was a cop out but I don't, more like trying something new since he didn't get exactly what he was looking for from his resources and the mighty little 13b engine. Enzo good luck this coming year with this new setup least you didn't put in a small block chevy or ford in there even though that would be nice in my eyes with a solid rear. My opinion would be to not backhalf the FC, mini tub it instead and keep it stock style suspension with the liberty...

I agree with not cutting it up to much... The "stock compact" class in PR is very hot at the moment, plus there are quite a few of those cars here in the US so it'll be nice to see a mini tubbed piston powered Rx7 compete with all the rotary cars.

Maniatico is the T2 King right now...
https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3638/maniatico.jpg

"sucio dificil" <-- As they say back in the island :egrin:

any info on who these guys are ^^^ , look sweet az bru

A comparison :) Rene posted it on facebook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xys2q_uItng

A 4,000 mile cruise?

The 4 cyl above has full interior, stock tubs, stock seats, AC, heater, 25 mpg and traps 165 mph.... and runs on pump fuel.

I like rotaries.... but it's simple, a rotary couldn't do that.

Enzo you have done great things with the irs car and the 13b,I understand your reasons about family etc, mid to low 8 sec 13b should see 50 passes before being open. cant see a 6 sec 4 cyl being cheap to run:scratch:and it will chew up alot more time than your rotary.
good luck with the new project.
why dont you put a 20b in if the 13b not reliable enough for you?
brent

Why not? What's so different inside a stock rotary engine and a race rotary engine? Not very much. So the only difference would be the amount of boost and fuel system on the race rotary engine. So all you would have to do is have two different tune maps and you could even have two different fuel setups. One for pump fuel and one for race/methanol. The only thing the piston engine may have on this is better fuel economy. So why do you think a rotary can't do this? We have guys running 9's on IRS suspesion street cars with stock motors. And there are many other cars running 8's that are streetable. So again I ask why the hate?

Thats what i was thinking, turbotommy 20b car is the best example i know. hes running mid 9s at 20psi in a true street car. Hes been driving his car on the street for years and its still running. He drive his car to and from every event and i bet he probably have more seat time in his car than half the people here but hes running mid 9s. Amagine what enzo would be able to do with a 20b.

Since when is being realistic called being a hater?

You're living in a dream world if you think a rotary can compete against piston engines.

Thanks Brent..
my setup was more on par with a mid 7 sec setup just with small tires and stock "heavy" chassis. so engine life was alot shorter.. :) I'm sure If I would stop or limit my 2 steps and rev limiters I would get more engine life. :)

I have thought about 20b's alot and they really interest me. I would be able to make alot of power and keep it a bit more on the conservative side.. I like new challenges and I'm sure this will be a future one. :)

Aaron, I have also thought about stock chassis alot. I debated back and forth with DL on what do i do and the final verdict was based on the simple fact of where would I be racing and what gains do I get from running stock chassis/ NSCRA Hotrod etc. I felt running the stock chassis would be another year of the same as I did now and when I sat down and thought about it, it would be more beneficial to race in the Quick 32 classes, Pan Ams, etc. as there's alot more prize money to go after and be a part of the main show at events.
I would also like to travel to other big events and they cater to the pro cars mainly..

I will also try different tire combo's so I could enter domestic drag radial or 10.5" tire classes.

I realize I can't please everyone and not everyone will agree with my choices, but I have my reasons for making them and I thought about this alot and covered every angle and believe I'm making the best choice otherwise I wouldn't be doing it.

I realize racing in general is not cheap(piston or rotary) especially at the level I would like to run. I have alot of resources and friends in the piston world and can do alot with very little so It's not as bad as most would think.

So If I lost some of my supporters with my car I hope to at least have their support on my other shop car which will still run a 2 rotor.

25mpg on a 4 cil, on a +2800lbs chassis that traps 165MPH on pump gas?

Hmm, yeah, no :lol:

I highly dough you lost any supporters, I think we (or maybe just me) are just a bit sad because your car was highly anticipated<~~~~~ not sure if i used the correct word :)

You're kidding right? I beat v8 piston race cars all day long at my track with my little 12a...... no competition eh?? Rotary cars compete with piston cars all the time and do very well. Yes the fastest import car happens to be a piston engine right now, but the rotary is very very close and getting faster. We're talking hole shot wins now. Shoot, we are still using 90% stock factory parts. Let see a piston engine race with factory stock cylinder heads and blocks, rods and cranks and see how they do with the same displacement as a rotary. You can't compare a Top fuel piston engine to a rotary engine.

Mobeoner said it right. The rotary community is already very small, so we just hate to see another good rotary racer go south that's all.

Most forget that Titan is still running an import. They run 3.9's at 190+

Ofcourse I hate to see you move away from the rotary, however, I like that you talked a little shit last year and then backed it up in your first season. Same for your brother, I like the shit talking. That is what makes this interesting, we all still want to see the rotary prevail, but some shit talking along the way keeps more people interested.

Good luck in whatever route you take, Ive heard nothing but great things about your tuning and work ethic from others I think of highly.

Seriously, there are many stock cars that will run what your race car will.

The rotary isn't close to anything piston.

When a rotary can go on a 1,200 mile cruise, then go straight to the track and run 6.95 @ 209 mph............ get back to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwF-kr91uxU

Just from this quote "The rotary isn't close to anything piston", shows your intellect.

Like I said before you can't compare a 600 cubic inch twin turbo v8 engine vs a 1.3liter turbo rotary.

600ci twin turbo V8?? The sound of that is giving me a tingling feeling :lol2:

most people don't know that Enzo builds high performance Piston engines also.. He's not just a tuner. By messing with a piston engine, I'm sure the benifits to his business with far outweigh the sad feeling of not hearing that "brap"

all hail the piston engine.. That's where the money is :icon_tup:

wash your mouth out son , thats filthy talk around hear :nono:

I hear you Aaron but the sad truth is that this is part of the reason why the rotary is behind the times. People race them and then throw in the towel and go the "easy" route- piston.

"Hit the Nail on the head"

This thread is so full of fail. How do people compare apples to grapes. On top of that I cant believe some people are high members on this forum and down what its all about.

Jay, when you see a car like Paul Major's Vette in person, you might probably think twice about a Rotary :lol:

I know I did :ugh2:

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