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enzo250 11-25-10 03:26 PM

Every thing breaks when pushed past it's limit... If it isn't then your not pushing hard enough :) Question is where is the limit? :) And how close can we push towards it?

You guys wanna call me a quitter or sellout, but what am i quitting from? I said I would break the IRS record and did. Now it's time to move on.. You guys see it as quitting but I see it as accomplished... I have other goals now.. One of them being to go 6's with a rotary powered rx-7! ? I wanna play on both sides not just one... LOL..

I've always worked on both rotary and piston motors...So I've been to the other side already.. :lol: I love them both. Your right in that there really is no aftermarket parts for rotary engines and it's amazing what they can do with 99% stock parts. Weak areas in pistons motors however can be addressed no matter what it is...

If you guys step into my shoes maybe you'll understand why I'm doing what I'm doing..

It'll be interesting to see how each car behaves next year.

BOOM 11-25-10 05:52 PM

so can I call your car a px-7 lol. good luck let the boards do the talking.

ErnieT 11-25-10 06:31 PM

Have AnthonyNYC show you how to rebuild your motor, that way things won't be so expensive.

AnthonyNYC 11-25-10 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by ErnieT (Post 10336836)
Have AnthonyNYC show you how to rebuild your motor, that way things won't be so expensive.

Leave me outta this one lol!!! There's a big difference in making 600 hp and making 1000 hp!!!

ErnieT 11-25-10 07:10 PM

Ok, have the Judge show you

AnthonyNYC 11-25-10 07:28 PM

It's not easy. I talk to Enzo at 2-3 AM when he leaves his shop. He is then up at 7AM and heads to a 9-5. Then back at the shop for another long night. I really don't know how he does it. He works alone in his shop which is not easy. When he explained to me how much it really costs to race at a level he is at, I realized it's not easy or cheap. Keep in mind he supports a family, a mortgage in Long Island where taxes are 10K a year and even though he plays, he makes sure his wife is home with the kids. Even with all this going on he still has time for his friends, for advice or a tune. All I can say is that it's not easy.

AnthonyNYC 11-25-10 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by ultimatejay (Post 10336445)
Yes, I do know, that's why I run in a class I can afford and at least it's still a rotary. If I couldn't afford the all motor class, then I would just run a bracket class with a rotary or just go to the drag strip for fun. Point being, I'll sell my rotary before I race a piston engine. Besides, you say you're going to race two 6-7 second race cars...... doesn't sound like you have much money issues to me. :scratch:

And if running the other tires is the only issue, then it should only take you 15 minutes to put them on and run the 8.0. What are you waiting for?

Forget running a class you can afford. Just heading to the track is a $500 affair. An average weekend for a regular turbo car in the NE is $500 per event. Our tracks are 2-3 hours away. Gas and tolls is about $150, new set of plugs $150, gas $100, food/entrance fee is $100. (it cost me $75 to race a class at fall nationals). Hotel $75 and other misc fees, by the time you add that up you are close to $600 and you have not touched the other stuff yet.

ErnieT 11-25-10 07:57 PM

I don't want to see Enzo switch anymore then the rest, but some of you need to chill out. Enzo, did you ever get a 2 piece shaft, extra dowels or even a stud kit to help keep your engine from flexing? Thats stuff is a bit pricy in the front end, but well worth it in the long run.

turboR1 11-25-10 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by ErnieT (Post 10335319)
Atleast your brother will be around to get spanked.:)


sure as hell wont be from you :rofl:


Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

enzo250 11-25-10 08:59 PM

Ernie all that stuff you mentioned is unnecessary and a waste of money.
Flexing was not a problem of mine..
Want to keep a rotary alive.. Stay off the 2step and rev limiters...

scirotor 11-26-10 01:05 AM


Originally Posted by enzo250 (Post 10336676)
You guys wanna call me a quitter or sellout, but what am i quitting from? I said I would break the IRS record and did. Now it's time to move on.. You guys see it as quitting but I see it as accomplished... I have other goals now.. One of them being to go 6's with a rotary powered rx-7! ? I wanna play on both sides not just one... LOL..

Enzo ... a big respect ... go on and show them how to go fast an both sides of engine tuning...

beefcake 11-26-10 05:28 AM

fag ....:gayboy:
you disrespect me an my family , swat needs to come in and take your car away, and the dvd players .
Rota for life :nod:

KNONFS 11-26-10 05:33 AM

Enzo, even tho I want to agree with everybody (I really DO), family and bussines comes first. If its the best option for you, your bussines, and family; then there is nothing to talk about. Good luck out there, and wish you the best!

BTW - I can't root for your 2nd gen anymore hehehehe (had to hate a lil, you know...)

ErnieT 11-26-10 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by enzo250 (Post 10336978)
Ernie all that stuff you mentioned is unnecessary and a waste of money.
Flexing was not a problem of mine..
Want to keep a rotary alive.. Stay off the 2step and rev limiters...

Give it a try before you give up, lol..You should really consider talking to some other engine builders prior to throwing in the towel.

JTPERF 11-26-10 12:20 PM

congrat's on the baby Enzo, good luck on the car for next year do wat you do best!

Trots*88TII-AE* 11-26-10 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by ErnieT (Post 10337357)
Give it a try before you give up, lol..You should really consider talking to some other engine builders prior to throwing in the towel.

I think Enzo's proven that he can build (or has a builder that can) with the rest of them, nothing to prove there. :icon_tup:

If everything goes to plan, I'll be following in his footsteps (only a couple miles behind, lol!)

ErnieT 11-26-10 01:18 PM

Reason he's pulling the rotary is the motor doesn't last him,

enzo250 11-26-10 02:54 PM

Actually Ernie, it's because I can't afford to keep it running...

enzo250 11-26-10 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by AnthonyNYC (Post 10336889)
It's not easy. I talk to Enzo at 2-3 AM when he leaves his shop. He is then up at 7AM and heads to a 9-5. Then back at the shop for another long night. I really don't know how he does it. He works alone in his shop which is not easy. When he explained to me how much it really costs to race at a level he is at, I realized it's not easy or cheap. Keep in mind he supports a family, a mortgage in Long Island where taxes are 10K a year and even though he plays, he makes sure his wife is home with the kids. Even with all this going on he still has time for his friends, for advice or a tune. All I can say is that it's not easy.

Anthony, Most don't realize the sacrifice necessary to go racing.. Last Year was alot of work. I enjoyed it alot and will do it again this year.

ErnieT 11-26-10 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by enzo250 (Post 10337768)
Actually Ernie, it's because I can't afford to keep it running...

I just assumed cause Allen and them said you were having a hard time keeping the motor together.
How would a piston engine be cheaper? Wouldn't it be more expensive? You'll still need to freshen up the piston engine, right?

13B-RX3 11-26-10 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by ErnieT (Post 10337831)
I just assumed cause Allen and them said you were having a hard time keeping the motor together.

:scratch::scratch: Don't remember that conversation.

enzo250 11-26-10 04:20 PM

Ernie you know what happens when you assume right?

ErnieT 11-26-10 04:24 PM

Don't understand why everything is some big secret. Christ, if any of us needs help we help. Allen you said it at mir.

ultimatejay 11-26-10 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by AnthonyNYC (Post 10336899)
Forget running a class you can afford. Just heading to the track is a $500 affair. An average weekend for a regular turbo car in the NE is $500 per event. Our tracks are 2-3 hours away. Gas and tolls is about $150, new set of plugs $150, gas $100, food/entrance fee is $100. (it cost me $75 to race a class at fall nationals). Hotel $75 and other misc fees, by the time you add that up you are close to $600 and you have not touched the other stuff yet.

It all depends on how fast you wanta go. I have been running the same engine without rebuild for 3 years, running 7x's in the 8th mile on pump fuel. Cost me 20 bucks to race, 10 bucks on fuel and one hour drive. The faster you go the more expensive it costs. That's why I made the comment of going to a slower or different class. It costs bucko bucks to race in the 6-7 second category piston or rotary. And turbo cars are much less reliable than an N/A setup. I know I can't afford to race a turbo car so I chose to race in the all motor class which can get expensive too depending on how fast you want to go. My main point is that going from a rotary to a piston engine for cost reasons is a lame excuse.

enzo250 11-26-10 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by ultimatejay (Post 10337868)
My main point is that going from a rotary to a piston engine for cost reasons is a lame excuse.

But how do you know this? Have you done it?
I can tell you maintaining a high hp rotary is no joke.
And I had a pretty realible setup.


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