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Originally Posted by vtec187
(Post 7771424)
you tell me actually I'd be inclined to know exactly what the difference is. I'll go with a 60-1 cause alot of old school honda guys used em as did rx7 guys.A t3 60-1 can make 450 on a 2l honda motor on 13 psi and about 630 on 25 psi. What would the 13b do?
Well then you have alot more variables at high hp numbers. Supporting parts for the honda etc. I'm assuming the 13B would have to be atleast with a large port and running atleast 1600's as well a dual wallboros or an apexi Bnr pump. At those power levels it's all about the right mixture/tune. If run race gas I'd say the 13B will come out on top simply because of the whole 3/1 strokes factor and the potency of detonation on race gas. Imo ~ Give an FD over to FEED and I guarantee they will be able to put down 450 and under 13psi. |
Originally Posted by vtec187
(Post 7771424)
you tell me actually I'd be inclined to know exactly what the difference is. I'll go with a 60-1 cause alot of old school honda guys used em as did rx7 guys.A t3 60-1 can make 450 on a 2l honda motor on 13 psi and about 630 on 25 psi. What would the 13b do?
Originally Posted by FC3SPRO
Turbochargers
For Garrett turbo choices, most popular are the 60-1, TS04, and T04E "60" turbos. Any of these choices will hit the 400hp level. The 60-1 and T04E "60" make more efficient power under 15psi, but the TS04 makes more efficient power over 15psi. For street applications, we recommend the 60-1 or T04E "60"; if you're planning on race applications with a little more boost (and race gas), the TS04 is for you.
Originally Posted by Rx_treme
(Post 3108579)
here's mine
Stock S4 Jspec HKS manifold, w/g 3" turbo back to N1 Duals Turbonetics 60-1 .96 rear 550/1680cc Haltech E6K Spearco FMIC 1 bar over 2 years ago on 93 pump gas. 381 rwhp / 317 rwtq http://www.idahorotary.com/Jasondyno.jpg 1.4 bar last month on leaned out 117 with advanced timing. 400 rwhp / 335 rwtq http://www.idahorotary.com/dyno399.jpg Hmmm someone was getting tired.... Then blew it up on 1.6 bar. http://www.speedmachineperformance.c...gory_s/144.htm
Originally Posted by link above
Originally Posted by West TX RX-7
(Post 3326375)
11psi = 350rwhp
13psi = 376 rwhp 16psi = 410 rwhp Mods are in the sig. Picked up the car yesterday from RP. Chris Ott did a masterfull job of tuning it out. Don Marvel did the engine build, porting, Haltech, fuel system, ect. I have a little vid of Don doing a test run at 11psi and then comming back at 13psi. I haven't turned on the high boost setting yet. If anyone can host it it's about 7 meg I can mail it to ya. |
No need to get complicated, there are no variables all things are being considered equal for arguements sake.Phoenix did I just miss something, both of those cars made close but less than the numbers I provided for the 4cyl. No problem here is my proof from my POSTS from very respected tuners. I don't know how to post the sheet so here's the link. http://www.full-race.com/articles/bu...o_selector.pdf see pages 23 thru 26. I could find some more if you like.Apology for incinuation accepted, I don't spout bs.
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Edit: FOUND THE LINK IN YOUR POST
You're right though, there are MANY variables, including the TUNER, but the range is there 370-430 @ ~15-16psi. All that's missing is the data to back up your claims. Might as well do it since you're the one that wanted to know how two different motors behaved with the same turbo. |
umm click the link genius.:wallbash: Oh wait you must have replied before I edit my post which I wrote before you edited yours, my bad lol. ! Like I said all I see is a rotary making approximately the same power on approximately the same boost not the clobbering I was led to believe I would see by the rotary.
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now look at the engine work between the EG and the RX's I posted.
Can you honestly say that EG would be able to make that power with the same mods as teh 7s in the posts above? We're too fast for our own good. |
Some of those mods don't exist for a rotary that's partially my point. A 13b thus far is only capable of being compared to a 4cyl at this stage in it's evolution based on hp output.
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Which brings us back to MY POINT. We're a good 60 years behind in development. All in due time. The way things are going (remember my previous NRS seal posts? and the other "indestructible seal" threads in the various parts of this forum) it's not a matter of IF we can match/beat the Boinger, it's WHEN.
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pop corn anyone
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I got the lime and salt.
I think this is going to be a long one. |
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Originally Posted by phoenix7
(Post 7771633)
Which brings us back to MY POINT. We're a good 60 years behind in development. All in due time. The way things are going (remember my previous NRS seal posts? and the other "indestructible seal" threads in the various parts of this forum) it's not a matter of IF we can match/beat the Boinger, it's WHEN.
(by reading some of your replies im going to bet that some of you dont understand sarcasm so ill tell you now i was being sarcastic. you guys keep saying the v8 is so far ahead, i dont think it is, i just think its one of those excuses that is being used to make yourself feel better) ill stop your suspense, you cant match the boinger. never happen. |
Originally Posted by razorback
(Post 7771678)
but the rotary engine is so simple, why are you guys so far behind? i mean the engine is simple right?
We like the rotary for the same reason you like the Razorbacks. They are not always on top but they are still your team.:icon_tup: |
Originally Posted by 13B-RX3
(Post 7771692)
We like the rotary for the same reason you like the Razorbacks. They are not always on top but they are still your team.:icon_tup:
Originally Posted by vtec187
(Post 7771591)
Some of those mods don't exist for a rotary that's partially my point. A 13b thus far is only capable of being compared to a 4cyl at this stage in it's evolution based on hp output.
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Originally Posted by 13B-RX3
(Post 7771692)
We like the rotary for the same reason you like the Razorbacks. They are not always on top but they are still your team.
Evolution of the Internal-Combustion Engine The first person to experiment with an internal-combustion engine was the Dutch physicist Christian Huygens, about 1680. But no effective gasoline-powered engine was developed until 1859, when the French engineer J. J. Étienne Lenoir built a double-acting, spark-ignition engine that could be operated continuously. In 1862 Alphonse Beau de Rochas, a French scientist, patented but did not build a four-stroke engine; sixteen years later, when Nikolaus A. Otto built a successful four-stroke engine, it became known as the "Otto cycle." The first successful two-stroke engine was completed in the same year by Sir Dougald Clerk, in a form which (simplified somewhat by Joseph Day in 1891) remains in use today. George Brayton, an American engineer, had developed a two-stroke kerosene engine in 1873, but it was too large and too slow to be commercially successful. In 1885 Gottlieb Daimler constructed what is generally recognized as the prototype of the modern gas engine: small and fast, with a vertical cylinder, it used gasoline injected through a carburetor. In 1889 Daimler introduced a four-stroke engine with mushroom-shaped valves and two cylinders arranged in a V, having a much higher power-to-weight ratio; with the exception of electric starting, which would not be introduced until 1924, most modern gasoline engines are descended from Daimler's engines. The Rotards that believe change and improvements are inevitable? or the guy that gave up on rotaries, went with what he KNEW and believes he is right? You DO KNOW who Kenichi Yamamoto is, right? You must have picked it up somewhere since 2002. https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1200618527 |
this is my favorite video so far: An oldie but a goodie. Keep an eye out for the 2008 season.
Love the burly I6 but can't fade the 13B. Rotary Vs. Piston http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...08013b6d68.htm When it comes to racing, those with the largest budgets will win. When money isn't an object to either party then the better car will win. <3 the Rotary. |
Im more stoned than mt rushmore..lol
Originally Posted by 13B-RX3
(Post 7771657)
I got the lime and salt.
I think this is going to be a long one. Hey Abel has "1700 hp" so thats about 2000 BHP :rlaugh: so who said rotarys arn't capable :rofl: |
Originally Posted by RoTaRyBoYz
(Post 7771856)
Hey Abel has "1700 hp" so thats about 2000 BHP :rlaugh: so who said rotarys arn't capable :rofl:
EDIT-and his car weighs 2400lb. |
good video, fast FWD to 4:45 to watch the FD pass, as the video goes on he gets to where the the FD is just barley in sight like 1/4 mile ahead.
Originally Posted by phoenix7
(Post 7771845)
this is my favorite video so far: An oldie but a goodie. Keep an eye out for the 2008 season.
Love the burly I6 but can't fade the 13B. Rotary Vs. Piston http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...08013b6d68.htm When it comes to racing, those with the largest budgets will win. When money isn't an object to either party then the better car will win. <3 the Rotary. |
I didn't fast forward, loved watching and listening the Supra slowly make it around the track until ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM!!
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Originally Posted by phoenix7
(Post 7771773)
You might not be a believer but you came here the same year I did and you're the one so adamant and negative about this motor. Nobody forced you to buy the car and nobody is forcing you to stay. Yet you are still compelled to let us know it isn't going to happen. So, who's more WRONG???
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you should have left it alone. I wasn't talking to/about you. Just responding to Razorback's post to me. :wink:
Originally Posted by razorback
(Post 7771678)
but the rotary engine is so simple, why are you guys so far behind? i mean the engine is simple right?
(by reading some of your replies im going to bet that some of you dont understand sarcasm so ill tell you now i was being sarcastic. you guys keep saying the v8 is so far ahead, i dont think it is, i just think its one of those excuses that is being used to make yourself feel better) ill stop your suspense, you cant match the boinger. never happen. |
people stop trying compair v8's to rotaries
there are 2 rotors that make 900 plus ponies in puerto rico .. eddie colons rx7 makes about 985 to the wheel and has gohne 6 sec and nobody expected that to happen all in all the piston cars cannot run next to the mazda rotaries !
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Originally Posted by razorback
(Post 7770655)
What the hell did you just say there? Come back when you know how to use periods and not use run on sentences. After reading some of that, what I could understand anyway, you know nothing about engines.
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That's weak man. You at least have to argue ONE of his points before going for the scrotum.
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