Most power on 13b... ever?
 

For any amount of buildup and any size of turbo and nos or whatever... what's the most hp out of a 13b? I was guessing around 800 but I'm just guessing.
steve

I heard that abel and rafaelito is making over 800 hp (well over)

am i correct in that rafaelito is running a modded cartech setup and blowing through webbers? i think i read that somewhere.

I read somewhere Abel was claiming 960hp from his....

most power on 13b 1000hp by RE WING
 

most power on 13b 1000hp by RE WING

http://www.re-wing.co.jp/Eng/index_E.htm

i heard that a member of this forum is currently making 830HP or thereabouts, and they are yet to add higher octane fuel or dial up 40psi boost. i think they may well break the 1000HP mark

Who is this?

Secret Squirel

Chirp! Chirp!
He comes from the land down under!:)
Or from the S.n..i.e.ta..e !:)

crispeed

I hate Crispeeds hang man games...

Can I get an O please?

Can I buy a vowel? either an I for Internal or E for Engineering

Someone from Queensland (my state!) making 830hp?

I assume you guys are talking flywheel? or are you talking dynojet rearwheel?

Even flywheel I can't think of many 13Bs in the state getting close, the rotorolla 13B PP Twin turbo was making close to that kind of figure, but I can't even think of any others that are over 600rwhp (dyno dynamics).

Plenty down south making over that though.

I reckon Dyson (Melbourne) would be pretty close, 164mph from a 2nd gen (and that was before NOS) :)

Crispeed,

Can I assume you mean Rice Racing's 13B PP Turbo setup???

Rice Racing,

Can you tell us what this is going in? I'm assuming a drag application as those (800+hp) power levels are excessive (especially in terms of endurance) even in sports sedans. Would be nice if it was to hang together though! :)

Re: most power on 13b 1000hp by RE WING
 

What do you know...
I actually know the owner of this shop.
My car has a street ported, low compression rotor engine from them.:D

And I actually raced against that yellow FD two years ago. They brought it over to spank on us poor Koreans.
I took him off the line (my slicks vs his Nittos) and was ahead before my mishift into third/fifth.... This is before I went single turbo. I think he might be a little hesitant to come back now:)

High hp13B
 

So where abouts is this rice racing what car is it and how much hp is it making ,its not the guy on the Gold Coast with the old HIRPM r100 is it .Dont keep us all in suspense.Hey a777 you own a green series 3 dont you ,do you live at Burleigh you also own a series 6 as well or am i wrong there.Got a photo of the 7 at Performance streetcar just getting the front left hand wheel of the ground.

I worked for an engine builder that had a N/A 13b 4 port pumping out around 500hp in his 2nd gen. drag car. It was running 9.8 in the quarter as I recall.

The most i've ever heard of a no nos, turbo, blower 13B was around 360hp, and that was a two port. (Peripheral port engine.) The most VE effecient n/a engine you can have is out of a peripheral port....there is no way in hell, that a n/a 13B 4 port would put out 500hp. CJ

Well, maybe if they revved it out to about 16,000 or so, and rebuilt it after every run... :D

he said he shifted at 13.5k. the motor was ported almost to the water jackets (I guess that's what you'd call them in a rotary). if it ran longer than 15min it would overheat. When I went to florida once and stopped at a perfonrmance shop and told them where I was from they actually asked me if I had heard of the guy, at that time, I didn't know strickland but they told me he had a car running in the 9's. He raced in the DFW and Miami area in the early '90s, perhaps you could dig something up on him.
telling the truth,
chris

Re: most power on 13b 1000hp by RE WING
 

Holy Sh*t. Thats a lot off horses for the little of litre engine.

wow, 1000hp, thats pretty nuts. the fastest street car in canada has 1250hp. with nitrous he has 1700HP+, but thats in his big ass V8

You've never seen a peripheral rotor housing have you?

If you're talking to me, no I haven't. I doubt there are very many in existence so other than internet searches (which I care little to do) I doubt I'll ever see one. I know that peripheral relates to something close to the edge, so I'm guessing it would be a housing torn to have the largest possible port.
chris

Here is a picture of one.
http://www.pineappleracing.com/ProdSvcs.html

HAHA, the fastest maybe that was in a sanctioned event, the fastest I know of is over 1800 hp, first run down the track it got punted for not having a drag licence to run the times it did, and insufficent safety equipment, like a 'chute... It was a mid 7's Dodge duster with an indy headed big block, it saw active street duty, till no one would race it anymore at the midnight drags, it was owned by a 17 year old no less, in the 7's back in 1990 to boot, which was virtually unheard of back then... It was an outrageous car...Max

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HAHAHAHAHAH I agree

I'll third that

well since someone brought up pineapple wtf is a j-port?? It looks like just above a typical bridge port. Anyone know??

Cut past the water O-ring. (biiiig)

I know what'd be cool... peripheral port rotor housings and monster bridge side housings... can you say "pathetic intake velocity"? :D

- PJ (It'd be like trying to suck hard thru a sewer pipe)

Bridge ported into the water "J"acket.

a normal bridge port doesn't go that far.

Yup!!

J-port? I guess it all depends where you live ... or where I am from just may be wierd.

In South Australia a "Monster port" is where the port cuts past the water jacket, and an extended bridge is what they call a "J Port".

I just moved to Queensland and I get looked at wierdly calling my car a "J Port" and the port is only 20thou from the water o-ring.

Oh well

Damo

a monster port is when you go well beyond the water jacket and the ports become some what peripheralised

adding heads to a N/A big block will never get it to 1800hp.....I dont care what kind of car the heads came off of. The damn Indy car wouldnt even make 1800hp.....especially an indy car old enough that it would have been running a Chevy big block!!!!!!

Maybe he was running 7's in the 1/8th.....that would sound more like it. People around here always seem to get the 1/8 and the 1/4 mixed up. I asked this Stang owner (80's stang) what he ran and he told me 10's in the 1/4. He popped his hood and I was thinking to myself there is NO way this motor would go 10's. I asked him what track he runs at and the one he named was a 1/8 mile. Funny how people can go racing at the track and not even know how long the track is!!!!

He thought he had a fast car until I told him it was an 1/8 mile track. He didnt believe me till I raced and destroyed him in my 12 sec car to prove his wasnt a 10sec car. That car was soooooo slow and he actually thought it was faster than every production car on the planet because he had a Flow Master exhaust and cam that sounded mean as hell. WHAT A DUMB ASS HE WAS!!!!!

Later,

Nononono... there are aftermarket cylinder heads called "Indy" heads - this is in no relation to Indy cars. Indy heads are for big block Mopars.

KOS racers running similar heads on stroked/bored big-blocks (think displacement in the 570+cid range) and "a little" nitrous :D are deep into the 8's in the King of Street classes. 1800hp really isn't THAT farfetched, although until recently it was difficult to get more than 511cid out of a BB Mopar, and the heads just plain sucked. (When did Indy heads come out?)

You are mean ;), who in the world gave you the rights to take away an "ILUSION" from a Mustang owner :D J/K I have a friend who owns a 88 Mustang LX with short headers, ported heads, B cam, and a Cobra intake manifold...he swears that he has taken on 3rd gens. His last mod was a supercharger, but get this "He's going to make his car handle better than a Porsche 911" :rolleyes:

OK clowns, who said its was N/a... I agree that a n/a motor would be hard pressed to get 1800 hp, unless you want to talk about pro-stock cars that are"all motor"..
The engine in question was based on the 528 cid race package, but was reworked to 540 cid, running 14-71 blower, the car was backhalfed and tubbed, the orignal dash and floorpan gave way to aluminium sheet, all glass was lexan, including the windshield that was held in with sheet metal screws, the front end was one piece 'glass tilt, and it ran 33x18.5 drag slicks on a narrowed ford 9". How do I know so much about this car? I was present when it went together, and I was part of the group that put it together, you guys may not want to beleive, because it cost real money to build, about 85,000 worth of real money, not including about 15 thousand in wasted cash by buying parts that were not up to the task or were an impulse buy, like a set of B-1 heads that lived on the engine for about 2 weeks, a blower that ate itself in 2 hours, and 4 rearends until we discovered there is more than one ford 9" inch, and opted for the 'daytona" housing...5.13 gears unfortunately do no make for a very streetable car with a 3 speed manual shift auto, how streetabel was it? well not very, we cruised it, but the fuel cell held enough fuel for about 10 miles of easy driving, when it came to racing, it was trailered to the midnight drags, but it had full plates and insurance in case it had to be driven somewhere on the road.. The car was built to beat some of the heavy hitters that were showing up at the midnight drags, a coronet with a blown hemi, a early mg with a blown 327, and a big block camaro with a enough nitrous to power a freight train underwater, I was pretty small potates with my 450 hp 76 camaro...
There was little interest by the owner to run it at the track, as it was clock racing, and to him, that wasn't racing.. Its cars like this that probably make streetracing the most dangerous, this car was capable of 160+mph trap speeds, doing that on the street is asking for it.
So what happened to this car, by 18 the owner had discovered hard drugs and let the car rot in his backyard under a tarp, while he sold it piece by piece and put the proceeds up his nose..The car or whats left of it, is sitting now in his parents backyard, all that remains is the general shell and few guages...
You guys just have to remember, before most of you had internet or knew what a T04 was, some of us had drivers licences and fast cars, and big horsepower which is not mutually exclusive to the modern era of turbo's small displacements and EFI, in 1990, it took more work, more cid, and more ambition, but there were cars back then, that would still be untouchable on the street today, reguardless of technological advances, as most of you well know, gas+boost= power, now add over 500 cid into the equation and you start to get the picture....Max

From what i here a rotory engine not specifically a rx7 rotory i heard has infinity horespower that if there is something more to do to it it will kick more horses. but thats just what i heard. I think its pritty beleivable

You wrote what I was just about to reguarding Indy heads, which first showed up as reworked castings of the Max wedge head, but their first 'real head' was more like a b-1, but accepted standard big block valvetrain, b-1 was good, but you were dedicated to b-1 valvetrain, which was jesel, pretty rare around here back then, and they always required custom pistons, standard pistons would not work because of valve location and angle
Indy brought out thier first head in 1990, as a replacment for the max wedge heads, it also allowed you to use standard intakes and pistons, the downside was the heads need external oil feed lines. The budget racer was actually limited to about 474 cid 10 years ago, but with a low deck b 400 block, and a kellog (hemi) crank, 528 then 540 were doable, the only problem was, you needed a REALLY good thick bore block, pushed to the limits of overbore, and the cooling passages had to be stuffed with block fill to stop the bores from wandering when revved high, if the engine smashed up, there was no room for cleanup machining, one bad bore and it meant starting all over again, that's not an issue now though with the new indy mega blocks, and mopar race blocks, they take big bores easily...
Yeah, stock heads suck on a BB, serious people threw the stockheads in the scrap pile right off the bat, and went Max wedge, indy, b1, or b1-ts.. Now there are some unbeleivable heads for the Chrysler Big block, edelbrocks, indy, b1, mopar, etc etc.. The edels have to be the best for the buck though, middle of the road cammed 440's making 600+hp, with a single square bore 4bbl carb, and still pulling 14" of vaccuum..
Its interesting that you bring up KOS, There was a guy that was in the deep 7's in New york with a doorslammer car sometime ago(91-92?), If I remember right, it was a charger with an blown hemi running alcohol, it had no cooling system, but made the 20 mile trek from his house to the track and back in it, apparently he was THE FASTEST in the U.S. and was changing his motor to push into the 6's, I don't know what happened to him or his car, never saw it in any mags after the first story on it..
Some of the domestic drag cars are getting pretty wild, carbed small blocks deep in the 8's now, and they still resemble driveable cars, when you think about it, back in the 60's and early 70's , guys getting into the low 10's in superstock with showroom components was pretty good, hell lots of all motor import racers can't buy themselves a low 10 now...Max

wow, mighty impressive story.

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i wonder how many more flags we need to raise...................:rolleyes:

Why don't you learn semiphore. Then you'll have something else to do with all of those flags.http://www.plauder-smilies.com/spin3.gif
http://www.knownet.net/users/Ackley/flags2.gif

Actually there were 7 second doorslammers back in the early Nineties, but I seem to recall them huffing nitrous and pushing closer to ~1200 hp. I remember reading about a 66 Chevelle owned by Danny Sullivan (I think that was his name) running a 7.65 on 7 cylinders. These cars were 'streetable' (made a 25 mile drive as part of the competition) as well. :)

I think alot of people are to use to seeing the average street machine muscle car with 450-600 hp on the street and when something killer comes along, its totally unexpected, and unbeleived till it blows your doors off.
Car craft ran an interesting story that talked about the streetracing of heavy hitters, they broke it down into 3 groups of people, teenagers in moms car racing, moderately modded cars racing for 20 bucks, and total monsters racing for large sums of cash, my guess is that most fall into group 1 or 2, and only a few know about group 3..

TO greg and hwo, if you want to buy what remains of that car, i do beleive you can buy it for about 2500-3000, I am pretty sure its in the local classifieds right now, and I know who has the engine, and would part with it for 10 grand or so... think you can build or drive a car into the 7's? I use to have the same attitude you guys did, when I first heard of 600hp rotary's and 800 hp supras, I thought know way, total bullshit, until I saw it for my own eyes, now its an accepted relatively common occurence, Chrispeeds TII in the 9's who woulda thunk that eh?
Felix:
I don't recall the chevelle, but it was guys like that , that Nos fogger kits were made for, 800-1200hp nos shots were really popular for awhile, but it seems to me thats when nitrous explosion shots were really popular in the magazines about that time to, with that much n20 going into the motor, one minor fuel glich and the hood got blown into orbit.. Not to many people were running turbo's then, and blowers seemed to be the way to go, but there was the odd pantera or corvette that ran a hairdryer, forced induction has come along way, in price, accesability and reliability in the last ten years, and EFI has made it way easier to get big power on engines, there are more than a dozen grand nationals driving around with 1200 hp+ on the street these days, you really want to check their mods before you race one of those cars...
I really like that newer NMCA racing, despite the number of mustangs in it, but those guys are getting really really fast on all motor cars, some of those cars are still plated and insured as road cars, but some are grazing to the low 8's on some of the better tracks with small blocks, which is quite impressive....
Mustangs and camaro's seem to be the car of choice, maybe because they are cheaper bodies to rig up for racing, anything dodge thats v-8 or rwd is now way to expensive to hack into a race car or risk wrecking now that the collector types have driven their price through the roof, 5000 bucks for a slant six dart, pleassseee..But if you check this months issue of Car Craft their is a mopar powered new camaro owned by Dan paolini, he's running a chrysler small block in it, all motor and low 8's, kinda cool, I keep wondering what the pro-stock and top fuel guys think as the rest of the classes start creeping down towards their times, actually pro-stock doesn't look that fast anymore since everyone else seems to be getting faster..Max

Usable 13B power...
 

The most 13B horse power I have seen so far without the engine falling apart is 750rwhp which makes about 1008hp to the flywheel. The car is a 1985 Rx-7 3/4 chassis drag race car. The owner Race it at Englishtown N.J. in a NIRA Import race, the First gen. was the Number 1 Qualifier with a very impressive time slip of 8.15 @171 mph and the first gen. has a very legal weight requirement for his Pro Comp. class which is 2,200lbs.. the first gen. actual weight was 2,300lbs with the driver in it. The First Gen. Rx-7 is from Puerto Rico. I think every rotary engine builder could go out to a Dyno and try to make some record breaking horse power. But how much of it is usable? I like to see a rotary engine making 675 to 750rwhp and last a good drag race season with out having to tear it down.. Just my opinion..

Re: Usable 13B power...
 

Was it the grey or white one?

crispeed
87TII
9.20@150mph
2600lbs

The white 1. car name was "Wicho Time" the owner sold it, and is coming with a full chassis FD:)

Thanks Ito!
The white one I believe was running on alcohol.

crispeed
87TII
9.20@150mph
2600lbs