max horsepower from 13bt?
12-05-07, 12:07 PM
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I guess either you like to argue or just don't get my point. I give mad props to anyone who can get that kind of power- money or not. Yes it does take alot of money to consistently make that kind of power and keep it running competetively all season long.
My point is that if money is no concern it would be fairly easy to make that power.
My point is that if money is no concern it would be fairly easy to make that power.
12-06-07, 09:12 PM
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12-10-07, 11:17 PM
#35
they used what they had on hand and built monsters. only a handful of them had EFI, and i'm sure the engine management they run was quite primitive compared to today. mostly, we're talking Nikkis and Holleys on custom built manifolds made out of welded up sheetmetal (that kind that they make those truck running boards out of) and badass bridgeys that kept the shiftlights lit up at night! money definitely helps, i don't disagree, but it's not absolutely necessary. money makes things pretty, but it is for guys that have not yet transcended to that level of knowledge and experience - myself included.
12-11-07, 02:23 PM
#36
Ernie, i'm not sure if my comment sparked this or not, but just for the record i used you as an example simply because you're the first stratospherically powered car that came to my mind. i wasn't implying that it was an easy road for you to get where you are, i was simply saying that if the road was easy, then we'd all be making the power you are. i just wanted to clarify. i know how some things can be misunderstood because we're all typing or conversation.
not trying to argue with you either, but i think you're the one that missed RotaryBoyz point. practical knowledge/experience is far more important than money. i think that's the point he was making and it's the point i'm going to impart as well. back in the day, i knew some guys that did all sorts of phenomenal things with rotaries and these guys were FAR from rich - just regular guys on the streets of the Bronx. all they had was knowledge and access to core engines for experimentation. now, i know they probably weren't making 500 and 600+ HP, but they were making power in the stratosphere for their time (mid 80s to mid 90s). many of them were 12As, too! Rx-3s, Corollas and Starlets murdering jacked up Vettes and 500 HP G-Nationals!!!
they used what they had on hand and built monsters. only a handful of them had EFI, and i'm sure the engine management they run was quite primitive compared to today. mostly, we're talking Nikkis and Holleys on custom built manifolds made out of welded up sheetmetal (that kind that they make those truck running boards out of) and badass bridgeys that kept the shiftlights lit up at night! money definitely helps, i don't disagree, but it's not absolutely necessary. money makes things pretty, but it is for guys that have not yet transcended to that level of knowledge and experience - myself included.
not trying to argue with you either, but i think you're the one that missed RotaryBoyz point. practical knowledge/experience is far more important than money. i think that's the point he was making and it's the point i'm going to impart as well. back in the day, i knew some guys that did all sorts of phenomenal things with rotaries and these guys were FAR from rich - just regular guys on the streets of the Bronx. all they had was knowledge and access to core engines for experimentation. now, i know they probably weren't making 500 and 600+ HP, but they were making power in the stratosphere for their time (mid 80s to mid 90s). many of them were 12As, too! Rx-3s, Corollas and Starlets murdering jacked up Vettes and 500 HP G-Nationals!!!
they used what they had on hand and built monsters. only a handful of them had EFI, and i'm sure the engine management they run was quite primitive compared to today. mostly, we're talking Nikkis and Holleys on custom built manifolds made out of welded up sheetmetal (that kind that they make those truck running boards out of) and badass bridgeys that kept the shiftlights lit up at night! money definitely helps, i don't disagree, but it's not absolutely necessary. money makes things pretty, but it is for guys that have not yet transcended to that level of knowledge and experience - myself included.
I say if money is no issue,then building a high horsepower motor is alot easier and faster than if you had a limited budget. YOU EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE.
Why are you posting things from the past about some guys building fast rotories back in the day? That has nothing to do with my point. If those same guys had an endless amount of money do you think they could have built a 1000hp engine in a reletively short amount of time?
12-11-07, 03:04 PM
#37
first of all ... calm down! i don't think i was rude in any way so all that attitude-**** is uncalled for.
second of all, yes, i disagree with your point of view. i don't need to go into it again - my "rant" as you called it - was simply support that i witnessed with the two eyes in my head and not some hearsay. YOU EITHER TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! i really couldn't care less either way ...
second of all, yes, i disagree with your point of view. i don't need to go into it again - my "rant" as you called it - was simply support that i witnessed with the two eyes in my head and not some hearsay. YOU EITHER TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! i really couldn't care less either way ...
12-11-07, 04:30 PM
#38
^Well said, this guy sounds a little soft. Got all butthurt just because you didnt agree with his point, even when said nicely. I dont even agree with his point. I believe the more money you have only means the more money you spend. Money has nothing to do with knowledge. You can spend all your money and still not get the job done correctly.
12-11-07, 07:52 PM
#40
Whatever, you guys are all right and I know nothing. There are you happy now. hehe. I never disagreed with diabolical1 and I totally agree and give mad props to guys that dont' have alot of cash and make the big horsepower motors. Anyways, no sore butt here. LOL
12-11-07, 11:58 PM
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For some guys money was never an issue and still they didn't reach as far or further than the regular guys... Money is good, but without understanding your money is worthless... People will just eat your so-call R&D money away if you're clue-less on what you're building... Anyone remeber Dennis D Mennis from the Bronx? Prime example
12-12-07, 11:12 AM
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A few years later a car call "major league" purchased an identical setup from australia and with the knowlege of Siguel, the car was in the 6's with only a few passes...
12-12-07, 11:32 AM
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For some guys money was never an issue and still they didn't reach as far or further than the regular guys... Money is good, but without understanding your money is worthless... People will just eat your so-call R&D money away if you're clue-less on what you're building... Anyone remeber Dennis D Mennis from the Bronx? Prime example
Also, I dont' think none of these top dogs nowadays got where they are today by themselves. I'm sure it was a group effort of several heads getting together and working. I think another reason we don't see alot of fast rotories is that the rotary community is very secretive of there engine builds and combinations vs the piston community, at least that's what it seems to me. It's always hush hush and towel over the engine bay.
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12-27-07, 02:36 AM
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[QUOTE=RoTaRyBoYz;7586734]DISELO PAPI DISELO.
12-29-07, 10:17 AM
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It's not that big of a secret here. There is only so much you can do with a rotary to make more power. Huge ports and massive amounts of fuel and boost. Anybody who has the money and knowledge of how a rotary works can make a 900 to 1000 hp 13b. All it takes is cubic dollars and the right tune and parts.
12-29-07, 11:00 AM
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you are talking magazine smack. if u would have never seen any import mag u prob. would not know that a rotary engine even existed. in the 80s and 90s people in Puerto rico were already developing 600 and 700 hp motor using webers and performance parts destined for ur aver. american muscle . you dont need a million dollars to make REAL power. if u really try to find out what are the basics instead of all this s4 crap then ull know. . . . . . .peace
12-29-07, 04:47 PM
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i dont really think that it would be all that hard to make an 1000hp 13b, i was speaking to ant from maztech the other day and he was saying that the trick is to not get too fancy, he built a 13b in his couger with roller bearing crank and all the other bullshit took it out and blew it up on the 3rd run, then went back to the shop got a 13b import S4 motor bridgeported it, put pts seals in it, dowelled it, all the normal old stuff with maybe a few other secrets he wouldn't tell me and the motor made 900hp it was the same motor it has in it today (besides the car has been crashed) apparently the ecentric shaft seems to be the weakest part at the moment, i think methanol has alot to do with the big power numbers too
12-29-07, 08:44 PM
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i dont really think that it would be all that hard to make an 1000hp 13b, i was speaking to ant from maztech the other day and he was saying that the trick is to not get too fancy, he built a 13b in his couger with roller bearing crank and all the other bullshit took it out and blew it up on the 3rd run, then went back to the shop got a 13b import S4 motor bridgeported it, put pts seals in it, dowelled it, all the normal old stuff with maybe a few other secrets he wouldn't tell me and the motor made 900hp it was the same motor it has in it today (besides the car has been crashed) apparently the ecentric shaft seems to be the weakest part at the moment, i think methanol has alot to do with the big power numbers too