APEX SEAL Guaranteed not to break in your engine
05-23-06, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
For the amount of money i spent on shitty hurley apex seals and rebuilds back in 2001-2002 I could have bought multiple sets of these seals.....
05-23-06, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by weaklink
that's funny-I hear stuff about hurley's all the time, but I haven't had any trouble out of mine.
.How much power/boost are you running? If close to stock levels, that is prolly why you havent had any problems.
05-23-06, 10:34 PM
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[QUOTE=RICE RACING]They should give a guarantee to have no compression after a small amount of running in "non ideal conditions" :P
Now how did I know you couldn't resist this post.
Where the hell you been buddy!
NRS ceramics all the way, they are so good shops dont wont to tell you about them!
Now how did I know you couldn't resist this post.
Where the hell you been buddy!
NRS ceramics all the way, they are so good shops dont wont to tell you about them!
05-24-06, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by weaklink
that's funny-I hear stuff about hurley's all the time, but I haven't had any trouble out of mine.
i hear **** all the time too, but i've torn down a few engines with hurleys. dents on the rotor faces, broken side and corner seals, apex seals intact, and rotor housings showed no signs of abnormal wear. i don't know if they were the "long life" or "racing" seals, though.
05-24-06, 08:55 PM
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NRS ceramics all the way, they are so good shops dont wont to tell you about them! [/QUOTE]
If the shops won't tell us about them, why don't you? Do I need to auction off my first born to get a set??
[/QUOTE]If the shops won't tell us about them, why don't you? Do I need to auction off my first born to get a set??
05-24-06, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
That's good news for you and your bank account .
How much power/boost are you running? If close to stock levels, that is prolly why you havent had any problems.
.How much power/boost are you running? If close to stock levels, that is prolly why you havent had any problems.
05-25-06, 01:56 AM
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NRS ceramics all the way, they are so good shops dont wont to tell you about them!
if you're gonna spend $2k on a set of ceramics, might as well spend $1k on new rotor housings too....oh yea, new seals and springs everywhere, and we certainly don't want old rotors.... and **** those used irons...etc, etc
$350 stock seals are great. just don't detonate.
so $7-8k later, you've got an engine.
Originally Posted by RICE RACING
NRS ceramics all the way, they are so good shops dont wont to tell you about them!
$350 stock seals are great. just don't detonate.
so $7-8k later, you've got an engine.
05-25-06, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28
if you're gonna spend $2k on a set of ceramics, might as well spend $1k on new rotor housings too....oh yea, new seals and springs everywhere, and we certainly don't want old rotors.... and **** those used irons...etc, etc
$350 stock seals are great. just don't detonate.
so $7-8k later, you've got an engine.
$350 stock seals are great. just don't detonate.
so $7-8k later, you've got an engine.
When applicable, I agree with the rotor housing comment. Irons, rotors and eshaft are perfectly fine to reuse if not damaged. New seals and springs are a bit of a default when rebuilding an FD motor.....
Just don't detonate? **** happens, especially with boosted rotaries. Bad gas, bad tuning, poor correction maps, overboosting, etc etc.
05-25-06, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28
if you're gonna spend $2k on a set of ceramics, might as well spend $1k on new rotor housings too....oh yea, new seals and springs everywhere, and we certainly don't want old rotors.... and **** those used irons...etc, etc
$350 stock seals are great. just don't detonate.
so $7-8k later, you've got an engine.
$350 stock seals are great. just don't detonate.
so $7-8k later, you've got an engine.
New seals and springs everywhere??? How else do you build an engine?
05-25-06, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Glassman
The 1 pc ceramic seals retail at $1195.00 but i'll be happy to take $2K for them.
New seals and springs everywhere??? How else do you build an engine?
New seals and springs everywhere??? How else do you build an engine?
sorry, i was going off this:
http://pineappleracing.com/Merchant2...t_Code=3M2PCAS
but everyone's talking **** about the other indestructible seals, but ceramics are ok. ceramics can still break, but you'll probably break your side and corner seals first--which brings us back to the original argument of why use super strong apex seals and stock everything else?
05-25-06, 05:06 PM
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The price on Pineapples site is for 2 pc seals and it includes the hard faced springs.
Why use strong apex seals and stock everything else? Because there really aren't many other options for aftermarket seals other than apex seals and is there really any proof of benefit to aftermarket corner and side seals vs the stockers. I don't know but I can tell you of a failure due partially to aftermarket corner seals not having adequate slot clearance to the apex seal as well as not having adequate corner seal to groove clearance. Combine the two and you've got a problem... stuck corner seals that are impinging the apex seal in two ways.
I will soon be making a prototype set of ceramic corner seals and they will be tested in a drag car. If everything works out there may be another aftermarket seal option.
Sorry to ramble on off topic, I just wanted to correct the price confusion on the ceramic seals.
Why use strong apex seals and stock everything else? Because there really aren't many other options for aftermarket seals other than apex seals and is there really any proof of benefit to aftermarket corner and side seals vs the stockers. I don't know but I can tell you of a failure due partially to aftermarket corner seals not having adequate slot clearance to the apex seal as well as not having adequate corner seal to groove clearance. Combine the two and you've got a problem... stuck corner seals that are impinging the apex seal in two ways.
I will soon be making a prototype set of ceramic corner seals and they will be tested in a drag car. If everything works out there may be another aftermarket seal option.
Sorry to ramble on off topic, I just wanted to correct the price confusion on the ceramic seals.
05-25-06, 06:56 PM
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my bad on the price confusion. that wasn't really the main point, anyway.
i was thinking more along the lines of why put money into one thing and not another?
i was thinking more along the lines of why put money into one thing and not another?
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I'm not knocking on the NRS seal at all, they are a truly badass seal. but the difference hear is that PTS offers a GUARANTEE meaning that once you spend all that money, you don't have to worry about it beeing wasted and spending it again. anyway, this thread is about the PTS seals so let's get back on topic shall we.
06-04-06, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
That's good news for you and your bank account .
How much power/boost are you running? If close to stock levels, that is prolly why you havent had any problems.
.How much power/boost are you running? If close to stock levels, that is prolly why you havent had any problems.
What kind'a Hurleys did you have?
ps: sorry for being off-topic.
06-06-06, 12:37 PM
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I'm not knocking on the NRS seal at all, they are a truly badass seal. but the difference hear is that PTS offers a GUARANTEE meaning that once you spend all that money, you don't have to worry about it beeing wasted and spending it again. anyway, this thread is about the PTS seals so let's get back on topic shall we.
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