Can you put a 3rd gen Twin Turbo motor into a 88' body? Well without too much money or excesive work. I can get my hands on a front cut from a 3rd gen with all the goodies, ecu, gearbox etc, but was wondering if anyone has done it or heard of it done. Thanks.

 

id think so, but you might need to get some special engine mounts, i dunno about what else youd need

 

the motor mounts on fc engines are on the middle of the oil pan....the fd engine mounts are on the end housing at the back of the engine

 

The twin turbos on the 13brew don't fit in an FC. A Cosmo's 276hp (probably more in an FC since you have to have custom downpipe and ECU) 13bt is a better choice; it fits w/ available engine mounts and has more power. Have to get engine mounts, an ecu, custom downpipe, mabye IC? Check out what Cosmo Donk has done w/ his...

 

I don't think swapping in the 13B-TT is a good choice. It will cost you a lot of money, and you can get the same HP results by putting an intake and exhaust on your TII.

Plus then you have to worry about twin turbo complications....

For example... if the swap is going to cost you $3000.... imagine how fast you can make your TII for that amount! Bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, exhaust, intake, reprogrammed ECU, better fuel system,.... you'd have over 350 hp on tap I bet.

 

If you want to use your stock computer you'll have to switch the front cover so that you can use your CAS. Some of the sensors are different too--coolant temperature, air temperature, TPS, etc. So you'd have to use your stock sensors. If you go with a standalone ECU you won't have these problems.

There's a guy named Greg Coe who's putting a 13B REW in his 2nd gen, and he says that the twin turbos fit. You could try posting in the 2nd gen forum for more input.

If you're just looking for more power then you could just use a TII motor. That's what I'm using; but I'll probably swap in a 13B REW if it ever blows.

 

Greg Coe is a good friend of mine. He did the engine swap with little trouble. The turbos fit no problem. There is actually more room around the turbos in a 2nd gen body than in the 3rd gen. He ran a 3rd gen downpipe because the stock precat hits the firewall. He did a lot of rewiring to incorprate the 2nd gen and 3rd gen front harnesses. He used the 2nd gen engine mounts with slightly modifing the driver side mount. He used a second gen oil pan with minor modifactions to it on the 3rd gen engine to accomidate the 2nd gen mounts.

It can be done for relativly cheap money if you are willing to do a lot of the work yourself. After the cost of the engine you could probably do it for under $1000.00.

He finished the conversion the 3rd week of July. The car started right up and he has not run into any major problems yet. He ran a 13.3 at the drags with the stock GXL wheels and H rated tires. He dynoed at 260RWHP.

 

That's good to hear! What ECU did he use to run the motor?

 

I am currently in the process of doing this conversion, my motor should be arriving this week. I am basically only using the block itself, and the intake manifold, the twins, solenoids, and harness are coming off, in place of single turbo and haltech. It will really simplify the installation. As soon as i get the motor in and torn down for rebuild/porting ill start posting some pics of the project as it goes along...

 

Sounds like its more trouble than its worth. I don't know what to tell you. Fabricating the engine mounts is a pain in the ***. I've done it before....no fun! Why not just buy a third?

 

Greg is currently using the stock ECU. He has a power FC on the way. As for the mounts being a pain. I am not sure what 95R2-89TII Ground Zero did for mounts. Greg simply used the stock 2nd Gen mounts. Only fabricating he had to do was add a bracket to the driverside mount that attached higher up on the block. He also brought the engine to a machine shop to have holes drilled and tapped to accomidate the passenger side mount.

 

Chris,
Were you running the T-72 on the TII motor?

 

I once saw a 2nd gen in which a guy welded a thick steel plate to the back of the engine subframe. He then drilled 2 holes and the motor bolted right in. It seemed like alot of work, but it worked well.

 

13B ACE:
No i actually wasnt, i have sold almost all my old parts and am startin out fresh. I ran a T04E on my last setup, with a ported 3mm sealed 88 motor, ran great, beat a honda cbr f3 600, not from a stop of course. Can't wait to get this one done, im guessing december it'll run, im still collecting parts for the fuel setup and other things.

 

I would say that beating a motorcycle makes you fast! What were the specs on your TO4E?

 

The turbo was a T04E with a 57 compressor trim , i didnt realize it until a month or so after running it. I was loosing power at the top end, boost would drop from 15 to 10 - 12. The compressor wheel was maxed out. It was a .70 compressor with a 1.32 exhaust, had some lag, but when it started spooling....it was great. I was running one of our ss divided manifolds to be able to run that size a/r. Overall a great setup, i wish i could have had a 60-1 to get more of that top end pull. But i have a little more to look forward too now .

 

I'll take a look at your web page. Romeo at T&R is running a BB
T-72 with a .81 A/R on his 1st gen with a 13B-REW, and he just ran a 10.6 a while ago--something to look forward to.

 

A 3rd gen transmission will mount to a 2nd gen motor, but it won't bolt right up to the body. The clutch hydraulics are also in a different spot--on the bottom I think.

 

Chris,
I went to your site, but there wasn't anything there. Could you send me a picture of the manifold to jfrederi@juno.com ? I was wondering how it worked out.

 

http://www.rx7.hm/

 

I was wondering what happened to that site. Thanks!