534WHPHONDA

i bet half of yous on hea have no clue on how to built a 12a let alone a 20b tat can run low 7 sec passes or hi 6 sec pass..i haved owned 6 rotarys from rx7 rx3 wagon rx100 and had 2 rx2 all fun cars but they just dont last period im curently builtin a 1981 toyota starlet with 13b single turbo tuned on mricrotech ltx12 by rolo tech of *cft* www.central florida turbo.com

fcdrifter13

I know alot dont dought the knowlegde of the west virginian

damnfd3s

I usually don't post on the forum here but you just said all these old RXs r fun cars but they don't last. Yet, you're building a turbo'd rotary??

BlkS5TII

The rev limiter you were hearing could have been some sort of launch control set at a lower rpm than the actual fuel cut. It allows you to build boost prior to launching.

And the K20 dude needs to calm down. There are a ton more rotaries in the 300-400hp range than there are Hondas, and then they can actually launch because RWD is what REAL sports cars come with. Take your sport compact and keep pretending that you are better because you can finally beat some real sports cars with all the $$$ you dumped into it.

StinkyTurbo

Calm down dude. I dont know if you've noticed, but rotaries & Rx7s have been popular in drag racing for over 25 years & I definately doubt that Jesus Padilla & Abel or thinking about hitting the twisties in thier drag only rotaries.

Another guy that needs his head pulled out of his ***. There are way more 300hp-400hp Civics on the road then there are 3rd gen Rx7s on the road. Hows that for numbers.

Same reply applies here as my my response to speedjunkie. I dont see any 9 sec Rx7 on the track that can also destroy the twisties.

To each his own. I dont see the first gen Rx7 winning any bueaty pageants.

Heres a chart showing how well Hondas handle against "the great" rear wheel drive Rx7.

Originally Posted by 2-Rotor
Posted a while back from forum member CCarlisi:

Here is a list of laptimes from best motoring for Tsububa. All the cars are stock.

1,03,73 Ferrari F40
1,04,15 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII RS (6MT)
1,04,25 Porsche 911 GT2 Turbo CS (993 430cv)
1,04,49 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Spec C (New Age 2003 6MT)
1,04,57 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R34)
1,04,62 McLaren F1
1,04,65 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO V RS
1,04,88 Mazda RX-7 Type RS (MKIII 280cv)
1,04,93 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VII RS
1,05,05 Honda NSX-R (MKII)
1,05,12 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Type RA Spec C (New Age 2001 6MT)
1,05,15 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI RS
1,05,17 Honda NSX Type S-Zero (MKI)
1,05,23 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII GSR
1,05,38 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (New Age 2003 6MT)
1,05,45 Mazda RX-7 Type R (MKIII 280cv)
1,05,89 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII RS (5MT)
1,05,61 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta
1,05,65 Porsche 911 Turbo (996 420cv)
1,05,66 Venturi Challenge 400
1,05,69 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI GSR
1,05,72 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI GSR Tommi Makinen Edition
1,05,83 Honda NSX Type S (MKII)
1,05,84 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Spec C (New Age 2001 6MT)
1,05,88 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33)
1,05,93 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VII GSR
1,05,97 Porsche 911 Turbo (993 408cv)
1,06,00 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II Nur (R34)
1,06,01 Honda NSX-R (MKI)
1,06,03 Caterham Super Seven HPC (1995 560kg 2.0l 188cv)
1,06,04 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R34)
1,06,07 Honda NSX Type S (MKI)
1,06,28 Ferrari 360 Modena (400cv)
1,06,28 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34)
1,06,36 Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (MKIII 265cv)
1,06,47 Mazda RX-7 Type RS Spirit R Typa-A (MKIII 280cv)
1,06,51 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Type RA Version V (1999 280cv)
1,06,51 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Version V (1999 280cv)
1,06,55 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (MKIII 280cv)
1,06,57 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Version III (modificado)
1,06,81 Nissan Skyline GT-R M-Spec (R34)
1,06,85 Porsche 911 RSR (964)
1,07,09 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO V GSR
1,07,14 Porsche 911 RS (964)
1,07,15 Porsche 911 Carrera RS (993)
1,07,18 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S (993)
1,07,41 Caterham Super Seven 1700 Supersprint (135cv)
1,07,44 Mazda RX-7 RS (MKIII 265cv)
1,07,45 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32)
1,07,49 Honda NSX (MKI)
1,07,66 Toyota Supra RZ
1,07,66 Lamborghini Diablo
1,07,68 Porsche 911 GT3 CS (996 360cv)
1,07,69 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Version VI (1999 280cv)
1,07,72 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Type RA (New Age 2001)
1,07,74 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33)
1,07,74 Porsche 911 Turbo (964 3.300cc 300cv)
1,07,74 Ferrari 456GT
1,07,76 Toyota Supra RZ-S
1,07,78 Mitsubishi GTO TwinTurbo MR
1,07,89 Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (MKIII 255cv)
1,07,89 Dodge Viper
1,08,04 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR2 220cv)
1,08,04 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (964 3.6l 250cv)
1,08,06 Porsche 911 Carrera (996 300cv)
1,08,09 Subaru Legacy S401 Sti Version (293cv)
1,08,10 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II RS (260cv)
1,08,17 BMW Z3 M Roadster (321cv)
1,08,17 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (New Age 2001 280cv)
1,08,46 Toyota Supra
1,08,48 BMW M3 (321cv)
1,08,89 Nissan Silvia Spec-R (S15 250cv)
1,08,89 Porsche 911 Carrera (993)
1,08,90 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst (MKIII 255cv)
1,08,96 Honda S2000 (250cv)
1,08,98 Honda Civic Type-R (CTR2 2.0l 215cv)
1,09,16 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR1 200cv)
1,09,27 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R32)
1,09,36 Toyota MR2 GT-S (MKII 245cv)
1,09,40 BMW M3 (E46 343cv)
1,09,44 Porsche Boxster S (3.2l 252cv)
1,09,50 Ferrari 348TB
1,09,70 Lotus Elise (MKI 118cv)
1,09,72 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Nissan 350Z 280cv)

Its not Nürburgring but it gives you a general idea for the Tsububa circut.


My math may not be correct but the best time of a Rx7 over a FWD Honda is maybe about a grateful 5 secs. Nothing to brag about the way you talk about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by purplehaze23

I get compliments wherever I go with regards to the looks of my FD..... You'd be lying if you said the same.

You should be happy you own a FD. Almost every month another 3rd gen dies due to fire, theft, negligance or natural disaster. Pat yourself on the back;.... better yet, heres a cookie...




Im known to rubberneck at ANY car that is well done & tastefully.

Wow, now I know how it feels to be jimlab.

StinkyTurbo

You knew with only 4 posts that you had this coming to you.


Come back when you break 100 posts & can earn some respect on this forum.

texalmighty

i SERIOUSLY doubt they had mulit-stage rev limiters, and even if they did that doesn't explain why they were going off the rev limiter between EVERY shift. i'm not calling the cars rice, they were very clean and understated cars (which i like) but the drivers are ricers; the whole " look at me, i have a hatch with a turbo b18 and carbon hood i'm da **** yo"

BlkS5TII

I don't know where you live, but it must be some sort of Honda dreamland. I was thinking percentage wise, since you are right, there's no way that the ratio of Hondas to RX7's is anywhere close. % of cars that are in the 300-400hp out of the total number of cars the RX7 wins hands down. Most Hondas around here that have any noteworthy mods(1% of the total) are sitting in the 200hp range, and can only touch 300whp with race gas. And seeing as I'm from Puerto Rico, I'm much more used to seeing FB's and FC's with 300whp. The FD's aren't the only ones capable of those numbers, they just get there much easier.

534WHPHONDA

use to lauch a hi hp car on low rpm


o ye jesus padilla only dyno at 322rwhp i was there when it hapens...

Eriks85Rx7

1st gens are very pretty cars alot better looking then your econo box honda

gxl90rx7

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wow this turned into an RX-7 vs honda bash.. is that even a comparison?

everybody knows RX-7s are far inferior to the mighty honda, which was obviously designed from the factory for performance






















(i dont want any of these honda fanboys to be converted to teh rotary, i wouldnt want any RX-7 to have to experience that)

adamtassell

There is a reason that honda doesn't make turbo charged FWD vehicles. FWD works better with high reving low torque engines. Razor sharp throttle response, no lag and front wheels which don't smoke up on every turn.

Why anyone would turbo charge a perfectly fantastic honda vtec engine I do not understand. Sure they have no torque and need 6k rpm to go up a hill, but they sound great and are mega responsive and good fun to thrash.

adamtassell

ooh, I've only posted 79 times, so my opinion may not be valid. I have owned an integra type r and a FD though.

StinkyTurbo

I do live in a Honda wonderland. Its NYC. The mecca of street racing & shittalking. I guess you really gotta live here to see what Ive seen. Im not gonna argue about which cars have more 300hp representatives because we both dont have any proof of what we are speaking about. About the 300hp thing with Hondas its actually kind of easy. An H22 motor comes with 200-220hp. Slap a turbo on it, some good tuning @ 12 psi & you easily have 330+hp. And thats not even limited to H22's. ****, Mr NoVtec is making +350hp on a stock block w/ turbo.

Im also from Puerto Rico & also used to going to the track in Salinas & seeing 1st gens shooting nitrous & hitting 9's, which you would really need 300hp to do in a first gen.

StinkyTurbo

Its called an MSD 2 & 3 step. If you have a car that you race at the track & dont want to go over the redline or want to build up boost at the line I suggest you invest a $100 into this product. Its worth it.



About jumping off the rev limit. Thats easy to explain. If you havent noticed, honda motors are quick revving motors, add boost/nitrous & theres no way your gonna time your shifts so that they dont bounce off of the rev limiter. You'd have to........sHiFt MaD QiK y0!1!1......to stand a chance so that they dont bounce.

BlkS5TII

Launch control is fun. My evo came with it stock + AWD = It's very useful, so I wouldn't be surprised if those guys were taking advantage of it.

Shifting without hitting the rev limiter takes skill and makes you a better driver though. I know because that's one of the things that makes my Celica GTS so hard to drive to its maximum potential. The car overall might not be going that fast, but the revs shoot straight to fuel cut and in order to get the maximum power out of it you have to shift 1-10 rpms before fuel cut. Good drivers learn to shift just before, not right on it since you kill your e.t. by bouncing off of it all the time.

speedjunkie

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Calm down? I wasn't pissed, I was just trying to explain that going fast in a straight line isn't everything. That's great RX-7s have been in drag racing for over 25 years, yet another strong point of RX-7s. Fast in straight line, fast in the twisties, good for drifting, look great, pretty rare...what more do you need?

Now let's look at Civics...

Can be made to go fast if you dump enough money into them, don't handle as well as RX-7s, DAMN sure don't look as good as RX-7s, pretty damn hard to drift being a front wheel drive (but it has been done), NOT in the least bit rare, and pretty much look like ***.

Case closed.

jic

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case closed with a KO

rajahFD

those honda's can't even spin the tires and they have 300+ FRONT wheel horse power?!?!?!?!

i do agree that they aren't riceRs, but i also agree they aren't fast! what were they going 35mph before they shut down???

come on guys, you guys don't want to go that fast, might blow the welds off your intake because of the ultimate airflow and VTAK!!

by the way, how much HP does it take to break 16's? i'm thinking about fixing up my grocery getter.

fcdrifter13

My corsica ran a 14.9 and only has about 170HP and its a 3600lbs car( i think thats the right wieght)

adamtassell

Based on those lap times a RS FD is more like a maclaren F1 than it is like a type R integra.

1,04,62 McLaren F1
1,04,65 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO V RS
1,04,88 Mazda RX-7 Type RS (MKIII 280cv)

It is only 0.26 slower over 1 minute. Does that seem strange to anyone else? I mean that sounds like that FD is very very quick. Or it is something about this particular track?

BlkS5TII

My guess is that the McLaren is stock, and the other two cars aren't.

KeloidJonesJr.

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What I ate

speedjunkie

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Thanks, I thought so too . I don't see how anyone could argue with that, but some undoubtedly will. I have a friend at work with a Civic hatch that, according to anyone in the shop that's gotten a ride in it, say it's ungodly fast, and I'm not doubting them. I just don't see the point in doing all that work to something it was never meant for. I used to have a '95 Grand Am that all my boys wanted me to hook up, but I wouldn't even put custom wheels on it cause in my mind it was like putting glass slippers on a ho. And the two honda guys that got on here to talk ****, I don't think anyone was even talking about THEIR cars, were we? We were just saying the ones in the video aren't fast. I guess they aren't ricers per se, if they are more go than show, but I still have to laugh at people like that. People that rev and squeal their tires (on wet pavement most of the time, haha) and run as "fast" as those guys. It's like they're oblivious to reality. But like I said, fast is a relative term, and there's always someone out there who's faster.

And I think the Escort fit in quite well actually, I'm suprised it didn't win.

StinkyTurbo

I wasnt talking ****. If I was talking **** I would say rotories suck & there reliability sucks, which is what the V8 guys on here always say when there in a arguement on here, but I wont cause Im a rotorhead myself.

Im not gonna continue this arguement for the simple fact I can already tell Im not gonna sway your opinion, people on this website are so close minded. Every car has it's potential its just up to you how far you wanna take it. If people are gonna be close minded like this, its better for me to turn around and let them stay with that ignorant mentality. For God sakes, Ive seen a 9 second Suzuki Swift in Puerto Rico, anything is possible. The 7 isnt the car on the road.