^ When is the race going down? If it is from a slow roll or stop the bike should win. Good luck though!

1wide7- a 600cc bike can be beat by a under 400hp car from a 60 roll on. I have raced all, kawi's, gsxr's, r6's, 600rr's, with good riders on them, friends of mine that track their bikes and power shift.

From a dig you better do a 1/2 mile or mile run, you WILL catch him up top...

Me i think rotary on the highway win vs a v8 engine rx7
Somebody can do the race to prove it????!!!!! Lol
Ill be fun!! To see that on video !!
Hoo's in?

It proves that the car with more power couldnt beat it, so theres no way a car with less power would beat a newer 600 with a decent rider. Which was my point from the very begining because the OP's car has less than 400.

A 400 hp rotary FD is a 120-122 mph car in the 1/4 at best. Going 180 doesnt mean shit if you takes u 2 miles to get there, lol.

Show me a car that has 500-600 whp and is within 5 cars of a liter bike from 60 to 140, lol. U will need to bring a lot more power than that.

You dont seem to understand that a 400hp rotary FD makes 400hp and 300(?) ft/lbs of torque. While a V8 FD makes 400 hp and 400 ft/lbs of torque. Even from a roll, an Aluminum block V8 car is going to have the advantage. You keep refering to cars doing 180, not very often do u actually see people racing that high on the streets.

To the OP, nice take down. Whether or not the rider was inexperienced, it happened and i imagine it was a lot of fun!!!

-Austin

I am willing to take the V8 challange. Come down to NWFlorida

Is that why forum members have trapped 126 on the twins?


There are plenty of videos here on the forum where RX-7's beat bikes. I remember watching a single turbo RX-7 beat a Hayabusa on a roll, do a search.

Here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60gMU...eature=related




You don't seem to understand it's where that torque is and how long that power band is.

I have crushed many 600's on the stock twins from a roll.

Hell, I beat a 750cc bike from a roll back when I had BNRs and was stationed out at Fort Hood.

I'm in the busa territory. I've raped 600's, 750's, 900rr, r1's, etc. I ran a few busas the other night. Got walked atleast 3 bike lengths, but all of a sudden, he stopped pulling. We were dead even... he still was 3 lengths ahead but he wasnt leaving me and I wasn't catching him. Guess i was in my peak power band and he was losing on the top end. Don't know how fast I was going, but I topped out 4th shifting at 8k and tapped it into 5th just for shit and giggles. I have the short 5th gear. At 14.7psi I did 394hp on a dyno dynamics. I'm running 17psi when I raced the bike.

Im not saying a car cant beat a bike. Im saying the only way a car with less than 400 whp will win is operator error or over weight rider.
and
the video you posted is of an rx7 making more than 500whp so it dosent pertain to any of the previous post's.
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you dont seem to understand rotary vs V8 torque isnt even close when there making the same power

Ok, so there are a handful of cars on this forum that have trapped higher. MOST 400 hp rotary Fd's will trap 120-122. If a twin turbo FD had nuts, u would be on them 24-7. I remember getting into an arguement with you like 2 years ago, about twins cars vs. Zo6's.

You can not honestly believe that an Rx-7 will beat a properly riden busa from a roll do you? Im talking about a 40/60-140 roll. We can all agree that a busa, which traps around 140mph will roll out on a 126 mph twins car.

Lol, i own an LS car, i think i understand. I think that you and i should meet somewhere around the MD/VA line and get runs on tape to help settle some of these disputes between v8's and rotary cars. I dont know what your experiences are with v8 FD's, but i can promise you that if you bring a 126mph car, im going to be at your door the whole time. And my car will be making less power than you.

I believe the arguement that 1wide7 was trying to make is that a PROPERLY riden(newer) 600cc bike will beat 99% of the 400hp fd's around. Except for your super fast twin turbo FD of course.

And i beat your car on 20psi when i was probably making 350 whp. I will not beat a properly riden 750cc bike and neither will your car. Im not saying you havnt before, just that it wasnt properly riden. Sorry Rich.

-Austin

I'm not into "nuts" so I'll leave that to you.

I can't possibly believe you are asking this question. You said a 500 or 600 hp FD. Yes, a single turbo car can beat a Busa. There are videos here on the forum showing a Busa getting beat on a roll. Welcome to reality.

I have better things to do with my time than drive 6 hours to prove what I already know.

Depends on the year of the bike. I have never been beaten by a 600 and crushed plenty. I have even outrun two 900 rr's on a roll. Now if I ran from a light they would run away. I guess 600's are just too much for that wimpy LS1...


Read up:

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/tec...efficient.html

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0106_aero/index.html

Tell that to my buddy who owned a 900 rr and tracked the bike all the time.

Yes it does, you stated a 500 or 600 hp car.Do you read what you post?

See below:
The fact I have built 100's of engines from V8's to rotary's I just have to disagree. It's not peak torque, it where that torque is on the power band. It's also how long and how fat that power curve is.

I figured as much. Keep fighting the good fight from behind your keyboard tough guy :ugh2::lol:

Lol, this coming from a guy whos car sounds like a weed wacker:hah:

Actually, i made that post. You must have been SOOOO tired from building totally awesome engines that you got confused.

Also, to clarify a little. When i raced Goodfella's FD he was having some boost trouble, which is the only reason that i beat him at the time. Since obviously a 480rwhp FD should easily out run a 350whp Fd. Just goes to show that even a slower can win sometimes because of other outside reasons.

Big words from an kid behind a keyboard. I suggest you ask around and see if I'm a tough guy behind a keyboard.


Now that's a great retort.

Uh, no kidding you made that post, that's why I cut and pasted it! Hello???
Who is confused? You can't make this stuff up.

You mean a well running car can actually beat a busted one in a race? What an epiphany! No body would have ever come to that brilliant deduction!

Kid huh? Maybe you should take your own advise on that one bud. I have no problem continuing this debate in person, but ur time is far too valuable to do that. All i have seen you do is run your mouth from behind your keyboard. So, to me you are nothing but an internet warrior.

You quoted that message when responding to 1wide7 and refered to it as if he posted it originally, when i was the one that originally posted it. I think u might be retarded?

Are you saying that GoodfellaFD3S's car is busted? Have you seen his car? It is extremely far from busted. Or maybe you are trying to say that my car is the busted one? Lol, i guess my busted, weak ass ls1 car is enough to scare you off though. Since you have made it obvious that you dont want to meet to actaully see what car is faster. I'll be down at MIR the first weekend in November for an event. You should make the trip up for it.

-Austin

Come on guys, I did not post this to turn into a V8 vs rotary, I just merely posted this because it is what happend, you can believe it or not. I have no reason to lie about this.

Funny thing is that if everyone was at an RX-7 meet they'd probably be having a face-to-face, productive and respectful debate.

Thread closed...... I'm going to go wrench on my slow, busted-ass FD :lol: