Raced an R6 tonight
 

Just raced an R6 and was a draw only because I screwed up, I was running off the wastegate with boost controller off and was only at 11 lbs of boost, girl was in the car and had a full tank of gas :( oh well...

It happened while we were cruising, I see him comming from the on ramp, as he gets in the highway he was next to me, I hear him rev so I drop down to 3rd gear and punch it, he pulls about a bike lenght then I slowly caught up, by the time I was next to him we were at about 150 and there was a car in front so I had to let off, he kept going, crazy mofo, wanted him to stop to chat but he was gone.

Good times...

nice...hopefully you get a rematch

did said girl cream her panties???

At 150 he was about to run out of power to accelerate any more. Too bad you were only running 11psi. That really should not have been much of a race from a roll, your car is set up really well. One of my favorites on this forum!

sorry, but im finding it hard to believe that you kept up with a 600 with less than 400whp and extra weight

unless rider was over weight, didnt know what gear to start in, or just cant ride.

I wouldnt believe it from a dig but a bike on a freeway is a different story.

600cc bikes are gutless from a highway roll. Even when dropping to 2nd gear @ 65-70mph (correct gear). They just do not have any torque. And most (not all mind you) guys putting around on 600cc bikes cannot ride very well. I love 600cc bikes, but only really on the track. It can be tossed around like a little toy with little regard for throttle moderation when leaving a corner. BUT on the street I prefer the torque of a liter bike. 350whp in the FD should be enough to stay right next to a 600. Now a liter bike, that is a very different fairy tale...

Like I said an inexperienced rider and regardless of how weak you may think a 600 is they still trap 126ish in the 1/4 and top out around 155-165. An FD making 350whp will not keep up with that, you may keep it close but a good rider will still pull you up to around 145-150

This is not the first time I raced a 600, I have another thread were I raced anothere guy from a dead stop and won well not really as he let off when I was catching up, and yes he can drive, the only thing different at that time I had my boost controller on at my highest boost setting, you can even ask my girl as she was in the car at that time too, I have no reason to lie about the race otherwise I would have said I won..but unfortunately I cant say that as my car was just running off the wastegate spring.

Funny how just reading my past posts didn't even realize that the last 2 races I had before this said the same thing as for as going for a 1000cc bike, now those I would not even stand a chance...LOL..

Here are my other 2 races with 600's that's preety much all I race here are bike because the car I try to mess with don't want to.

https://www.rx7club.com/search.php?searchid=8895124

Would either of my statements lead you to believe that I am inexperienced with motorcycles or even 600cc sportbikes? I have spent most of my life riding bikes. I have had more than one 600 and several liter bikes... And I can say with confidence that they are completely gutless from a highway roll and a 350whp FD would have zero issues keeping up with if not pulling on one. Given both drivers are competent of coarse. Most 600's run in the 11-12sec 1/4 miles times. I could run my gixxer 600 in the low-mid 11's very consistently. BUT I am a competent rider and also, very importantly, I do not weigh very much either.

Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking 600cc bikes, they are LOADS of fun...but on a roadcoarse for the reasons I mentioned in my last post. In that setting I prefer them over a liter bike any day. But on the road or ripping through the rocky mountains I would much rather be on a liter bike.

Ok I will take one for the team. PM me her pics, and telephone number and I will call her :lol:

I too raced a motorcycle a LONG time ago in my 5.0L mustang. While I do not remember what size of bike it was I didn't do bad. The bike didn't seem to have much pickup on the top end compared to when we were going slower.

I know a guy who had a zx250 for a while... It was a fun little bike to dick around with, didn't have SHIT for power though, ended up getting walked by a bone stock honda accord v6 from a 20mph roll. :lol:

And I too am surprised that you didn't beat the 600, especially at 100+ mph.

All of the new 600's are high 10 sec bikes in the 1/4 mile and anything less than a 70 mph roll the bike will get the lead and a 350whp car may keep it close but in no way will it catch or pass until you get up around 150.

and to the op
Im not saying it didnt happen just that the results should have been different with a good rider

400hp with torque FD and the r6 starts to pull on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCG3_...feature=search

600's have supposed to be able to turn high 10sec 1/4 miles since early 2001 model years. Although possible, it takes nothing less than MotoGP riding skills to get there... I completely agree with you, it is possible, but you will not find it in most anyone tooling around on the street on a 600. In reality there is less than 1 sec difference in 1/4mi times between 600's and 1000's. But we all know that with anyone on the street it is typically a difference of 1.5-2sec.

That is a good video, but with no brake boosting from the RX7 I am suprised the R6 did not pull more at first and the RX7 have to real him in!!

I never thought you were trying to say it did not happen but this sounds like it was a decent rider and the outcome suggests a typical race with equal drivers. I am not trying to be argumentative so please do not take me the wrong way.

..............what?

wait v8's have a high end advantage over rotary?

a 400hp v8 with a 6spd has more top end than an fd with less than 400hp. yes! and the V8 has something called torque that rotaries only dream of, lol.

Huh?

If you're referring to high rpm power, the rotary wins. A decently modded FD with 360-380 rwhp is a legitimate 180 mph car, don't try that with a barn door F body or Mustang.

I've raced several 600s, they aren't that much of a problem above 100 mph, because bike aeros suck. However, don't mess with a modern literbike or Busa unless you have 500-600 rwhp. I own a ZX-10, andI can tell you it will stomp essentially any car, it's an absolute beast (wait until the 2011 comes out!).

Then again, all it takes is one time getting caught doing these very high speeds and you can lose your license, so it's probably not worth it.

My statement about a 400hp 6pd v8 pertained to an FD with a swap (which is whats in the video i posted), which would walk a rotary FD with 360-380 hp, equal aero, same weight, more torque.

Torque rules at the drag strip, but in a high speed roll-on, it's all about sheer horsepower, Cd, and frontal area. With the same hp, the race should be equal - added torque means zip at 180 hp, if anything the increased friction of 8 pistons slinging around is a hindrance, relative to the rotary momentum machine.

After all these years, I still enjoy kicking piston ass with 1/4 the displacement, and it happens regularly. Go against the herd - drive a rotary (three rotor if you have the means).

I just broke off a r6 myself in my Rx3 that has 335 hp to the wheels from a roll at about 70mph he was a lil fat but i killed him none the less.....lol

Your still missing it, lol, the rotary car has under 400whp the v8 in an identical rx7 has 400whp + torque which means the v8 rx7 would win hands down! more power more torque same aero and weight (aluminum block ls doesnt add much if any weight over the rotary look it up). and

My point to all this is the r6 started pulling on a V8 rx7 with 400whp which shows anything under 400 isnt gonna beat a newer 600 with a GOOD, AVERAGE size rider.

No I get it, it's just dumb - why compare the same cars with unequal hp, what the heck does that prove?

Oh, and I have beaten 600s with less than 400 rwhp.

wow very interesting, i'm about to race my buddy's 04 600cc ninja in my FD. I'll video it and let you guys see. But my FD is making a little more then 400whp though.

^ When is the race going down? If it is from a slow roll or stop the bike should win. Good luck though!

1wide7- a 600cc bike can be beat by a under 400hp car from a 60 roll on. I have raced all, kawi's, gsxr's, r6's, 600rr's, with good riders on them, friends of mine that track their bikes and power shift.

From a dig you better do a 1/2 mile or mile run, you WILL catch him up top...

Me i think rotary on the highway win vs a v8 engine rx7
Somebody can do the race to prove it????!!!!! Lol
Ill be fun!! To see that on video !!
Hoo's in?

It proves that the car with more power couldnt beat it, so theres no way a car with less power would beat a newer 600 with a decent rider. Which was my point from the very begining because the OP's car has less than 400.

A 400 hp rotary FD is a 120-122 mph car in the 1/4 at best. Going 180 doesnt mean shit if you takes u 2 miles to get there, lol.

Show me a car that has 500-600 whp and is within 5 cars of a liter bike from 60 to 140, lol. U will need to bring a lot more power than that.

You dont seem to understand that a 400hp rotary FD makes 400hp and 300(?) ft/lbs of torque. While a V8 FD makes 400 hp and 400 ft/lbs of torque. Even from a roll, an Aluminum block V8 car is going to have the advantage. You keep refering to cars doing 180, not very often do u actually see people racing that high on the streets.

To the OP, nice take down. Whether or not the rider was inexperienced, it happened and i imagine it was a lot of fun!!!

-Austin

I am willing to take the V8 challange. Come down to NWFlorida

Is that why forum members have trapped 126 on the twins?


There are plenty of videos here on the forum where RX-7's beat bikes. I remember watching a single turbo RX-7 beat a Hayabusa on a roll, do a search.

Here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60gMU...eature=related




You don't seem to understand it's where that torque is and how long that power band is.

I have crushed many 600's on the stock twins from a roll.

Hell, I beat a 750cc bike from a roll back when I had BNRs and was stationed out at Fort Hood.

I'm in the busa territory. I've raped 600's, 750's, 900rr, r1's, etc. I ran a few busas the other night. Got walked atleast 3 bike lengths, but all of a sudden, he stopped pulling. We were dead even... he still was 3 lengths ahead but he wasnt leaving me and I wasn't catching him. Guess i was in my peak power band and he was losing on the top end. Don't know how fast I was going, but I topped out 4th shifting at 8k and tapped it into 5th just for shit and giggles. I have the short 5th gear. At 14.7psi I did 394hp on a dyno dynamics. I'm running 17psi when I raced the bike.

Im not saying a car cant beat a bike. Im saying the only way a car with less than 400 whp will win is operator error or over weight rider.
and
the video you posted is of an rx7 making more than 500whp so it dosent pertain to any of the previous post's.
and
you dont seem to understand rotary vs V8 torque isnt even close when there making the same power

Ok, so there are a handful of cars on this forum that have trapped higher. MOST 400 hp rotary Fd's will trap 120-122. If a twin turbo FD had nuts, u would be on them 24-7. I remember getting into an arguement with you like 2 years ago, about twins cars vs. Zo6's.

You can not honestly believe that an Rx-7 will beat a properly riden busa from a roll do you? Im talking about a 40/60-140 roll. We can all agree that a busa, which traps around 140mph will roll out on a 126 mph twins car.

Lol, i own an LS car, i think i understand. I think that you and i should meet somewhere around the MD/VA line and get runs on tape to help settle some of these disputes between v8's and rotary cars. I dont know what your experiences are with v8 FD's, but i can promise you that if you bring a 126mph car, im going to be at your door the whole time. And my car will be making less power than you.

I believe the arguement that 1wide7 was trying to make is that a PROPERLY riden(newer) 600cc bike will beat 99% of the 400hp fd's around. Except for your super fast twin turbo FD of course.

And i beat your car on 20psi when i was probably making 350 whp. I will not beat a properly riden 750cc bike and neither will your car. Im not saying you havnt before, just that it wasnt properly riden. Sorry Rich.

-Austin

I'm not into "nuts" so I'll leave that to you.

I can't possibly believe you are asking this question. You said a 500 or 600 hp FD. Yes, a single turbo car can beat a Busa. There are videos here on the forum showing a Busa getting beat on a roll. Welcome to reality.

I have better things to do with my time than drive 6 hours to prove what I already know.

Depends on the year of the bike. I have never been beaten by a 600 and crushed plenty. I have even outrun two 900 rr's on a roll. Now if I ran from a light they would run away. I guess 600's are just too much for that wimpy LS1...


Read up:

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/tec...efficient.html

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0106_aero/index.html

Tell that to my buddy who owned a 900 rr and tracked the bike all the time.

Yes it does, you stated a 500 or 600 hp car.Do you read what you post?

See below:
The fact I have built 100's of engines from V8's to rotary's I just have to disagree. It's not peak torque, it where that torque is on the power band. It's also how long and how fat that power curve is.

I figured as much. Keep fighting the good fight from behind your keyboard tough guy :ugh2::lol:

Lol, this coming from a guy whos car sounds like a weed wacker:hah:

Actually, i made that post. You must have been SOOOO tired from building totally awesome engines that you got confused.

Also, to clarify a little. When i raced Goodfella's FD he was having some boost trouble, which is the only reason that i beat him at the time. Since obviously a 480rwhp FD should easily out run a 350whp Fd. Just goes to show that even a slower can win sometimes because of other outside reasons.

Big words from an kid behind a keyboard. I suggest you ask around and see if I'm a tough guy behind a keyboard.


Now that's a great retort.

Uh, no kidding you made that post, that's why I cut and pasted it! Hello???
Who is confused? You can't make this stuff up.

You mean a well running car can actually beat a busted one in a race? What an epiphany! No body would have ever come to that brilliant deduction!

Kid huh? Maybe you should take your own advise on that one bud. I have no problem continuing this debate in person, but ur time is far too valuable to do that. All i have seen you do is run your mouth from behind your keyboard. So, to me you are nothing but an internet warrior.

You quoted that message when responding to 1wide7 and refered to it as if he posted it originally, when i was the one that originally posted it. I think u might be retarded?

Are you saying that GoodfellaFD3S's car is busted? Have you seen his car? It is extremely far from busted. Or maybe you are trying to say that my car is the busted one? Lol, i guess my busted, weak ass ls1 car is enough to scare you off though. Since you have made it obvious that you dont want to meet to actaully see what car is faster. I'll be down at MIR the first weekend in November for an event. You should make the trip up for it.

-Austin

Come on guys, I did not post this to turn into a V8 vs rotary, I just merely posted this because it is what happend, you can believe it or not. I have no reason to lie about this.

Funny thing is that if everyone was at an RX-7 meet they'd probably be having a face-to-face, productive and respectful debate.

Thread closed...... I'm going to go wrench on my slow, busted-ass FD :lol: