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08-21-06, 11:32 AM
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Respecognize!
my cousins VR4 sits in the garage because it eats motors. its a nice car though, i would love to see it run again.
alot of all this can come down to general condition of the car. ive beaten VR4s and GSXs but lost to GTIs. granted its was a turbo vr6, but, whatever.
i will say that the AWD models of both do pull great ETs but the mphs are less than desireable for this street racing whatnot. i personally prefer track racing, so yeah 13.0 is damn good, but i knew alot of people who run okay ET and ridiculous Trap speeds.
like the colt who ran a 10.5...at 148 mph.
okay so 10.5 is still fast as ****, but still. ive seen cars hit hit 8's at the same trap speed.
alot of all this can come down to general condition of the car. ive beaten VR4s and GSXs but lost to GTIs. granted its was a turbo vr6, but, whatever.
i will say that the AWD models of both do pull great ETs but the mphs are less than desireable for this street racing whatnot. i personally prefer track racing, so yeah 13.0 is damn good, but i knew alot of people who run okay ET and ridiculous Trap speeds.
like the colt who ran a 10.5...at 148 mph.
okay so 10.5 is still fast as ****, but still. ive seen cars hit hit 8's at the same trap speed.
08-21-06, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Henessey
shoot, fooled me
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The only factor that takes away from road racing a vr4 is weight. It will and allways will be generally slower than a 7 in the turns. And you must be a fool if you think a rwd has better traction than an awd. the guy spun out.... I thought we all knew by now not everyone can drive what they own... Ive never spun out. Ive never lost traction. Dont say what you dont know, thats how misconseptions occur. Dont you feel bad for the poor guy that bought his civic hearing its the best thing since the internet? Well same ****. Just dont run your mouth, you give people false impressions of something you dont own or never drove.
(Im making sure you know im not flaming you im just explaining)
on a better note====
Racing an Non turbo 3000gt or stealth is like racing a fwd fd with 1 rotor and no turbos. They are two completley diffrent classes. As a matter of fact.... before i left for WVU... 2 sundays ago I raced my my friends fd... 5 or 6 times.He has 300+whp and at the time ALL i had was a new clutch. I wont give his forum name....
And he is not a bad driver so dont give me that excuse
Results
1. dead stop to top of 1st gear
I won by 2-3 cars
2. same as above
3. From a dead stop to 110-115mph
I won by 4+ cars
4.Basically same as above, shitty launch by me 2-3 cars
5. From a 2nd gear roll my door was at his door till top of 3rd then he had me by a car
6.I raced him with me driving my friends new SRT 4, My 1st time EVER launching the thing I beat him by a car, that is on VIDEO
7. I raced a bpu STR4 in my car, I killed him on the launch but by end of 1st he was 2 cars behind
Like ive said anything can happen on the street, so stop being so biased its old.
Dont take this as a my car is better than your car BS,I have nothing but respect for a rotary. im stating FACT and TRUTH, giving an actual situation not just running my mouth like some of the trolls on this forum, Funny, most of them own nothing but N/As and are fd fanboys. Stop putting down every car that competes against something you dont and will NEVER own. You rarley see FD guys sound like "my cars better than yours, your viper is slow, your cobra is slow" Since when has a 11.9 in the 1/4 for a stock car been slow? See my point?
I wont be able to post back for a while im dont have Internet in my dorm yet im im using the library. Later guys
if you still dont understand where im coming from, let me make it easy for you.
VR4s are slow.
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The only factor that takes away from road racing a vr4 is weight. It will and allways will be generally slower than a 7 in the turns. And you must be a fool if you think a rwd has better traction than an awd. the guy spun out.... I thought we all knew by now not everyone can drive what they own... Ive never spun out. Ive never lost traction. Dont say what you dont know, thats how misconseptions occur. Dont you feel bad for the poor guy that bought his civic hearing its the best thing since the internet? Well same ****. Just dont run your mouth, you give people false impressions of something you dont own or never drove.
(Im making sure you know im not flaming you im just explaining)
on a better note====
Racing an Non turbo 3000gt or stealth is like racing a fwd fd with 1 rotor and no turbos. They are two completley diffrent classes. As a matter of fact.... before i left for WVU... 2 sundays ago I raced my my friends fd... 5 or 6 times.He has 300+whp and at the time ALL i had was a new clutch. I wont give his forum name....
And he is not a bad driver so dont give me that excuse
Results
1. dead stop to top of 1st gear
I won by 2-3 cars
2. same as above
3. From a dead stop to 110-115mph
I won by 4+ cars
4.Basically same as above, shitty launch by me 2-3 cars
5. From a 2nd gear roll my door was at his door till top of 3rd then he had me by a car
6.I raced him with me driving my friends new SRT 4, My 1st time EVER launching the thing I beat him by a car, that is on VIDEO
7. I raced a bpu STR4 in my car, I killed him on the launch but by end of 1st he was 2 cars behind
Like ive said anything can happen on the street, so stop being so biased its old.
Dont take this as a my car is better than your car BS,I have nothing but respect for a rotary. im stating FACT and TRUTH, giving an actual situation not just running my mouth like some of the trolls on this forum, Funny, most of them own nothing but N/As and are fd fanboys. Stop putting down every car that competes against something you dont and will NEVER own. You rarley see FD guys sound like "my cars better than yours, your viper is slow, your cobra is slow" Since when has a 11.9 in the 1/4 for a stock car been slow? See my point?
I wont be able to post back for a while im dont have Internet in my dorm yet im im using the library. Later guys
if you still dont understand where im coming from, let me make it easy for you.
VR4s are slow.
And yes I see he got those 1/4 times from the "0-60 / 1/4 mile times database" that you can find on google if you type in "0-60". They're usually not accurate but I wasn't gonna start arguing with the guy, "professional drivers"
Funny when you try to educate people and they get so ***** hurt they won't listen to you. I guess I'll just wait till one of you has your girlfriends in your car and come across a VR4 on the street and run him thinking "oh, heavy pig" and come here, post a thread bitching about getting raped...hahaha.
And yes a Stealth TT went 9s.
08-21-06, 01:07 PM
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a VR4 should NEVER be compared to a stock TII anyways, ****... the TII was barely into production fuel injection and is 7 years older than the VR4. the VR4 is in the same class as the FD and even then they aren't even really classed together since any idiot who knows how to launch will pull a RWD a few cars off the line.
to set the story straight a VR4 is a great car out of the box but heavy, strap a few mods on it and it will be a tiny bit quicker but not much mainly due to it's weight. a TII is a gutless wonder out of the box, add a few mods and you can get it into the 12's easy enough for much less in cost than it would be to buy even the stock VR4 model. i find it hard to believe a 300RWHP FD lost to a stock VR4 up 115 by 4 cars, your friend doesn't know how to shift, i believe the launch but not the end result.
this is not a pissing contest there is just a lot of misinformation on this thread.
to set the story straight a VR4 is a great car out of the box but heavy, strap a few mods on it and it will be a tiny bit quicker but not much mainly due to it's weight. a TII is a gutless wonder out of the box, add a few mods and you can get it into the 12's easy enough for much less in cost than it would be to buy even the stock VR4 model. i find it hard to believe a 300RWHP FD lost to a stock VR4 up 115 by 4 cars, your friend doesn't know how to shift, i believe the launch but not the end result.
this is not a pissing contest there is just a lot of misinformation on this thread.
08-21-06, 01:13 PM
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^ fair enough... he may not be drag champ but he knows how to shift. I have 2 videos both horrible quality, its a digital picture cam not a vid so no sound either. The one of me in the srt is clear quality. Ill post em soon enough
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I owned both
Originally Posted by Henessey
shoot, fooled me
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The only factor that takes away from road racing a vr4 is weight. It will and allways will be generally slower than a 7 in the turns. And you must be a fool if you think a rwd has better traction than an awd. the guy spun out.... I thought we all knew by now not everyone can drive what they own... Ive never spun out. Ive never lost traction. Dont say what you dont know, thats how misconseptions occur. Dont you feel bad for the poor guy that bought his civic hearing its the best thing since the internet? Well same ****. Just dont run your mouth, you give people false impressions of something you dont own or never drove.
(Im making sure you know im not flaming you im just explaining)
on a better note====
Racing an Non turbo 3000gt or stealth is like racing a fwd fd with 1 rotor and no turbos. They are two completley diffrent classes. As a matter of fact.... before i left for WVU... 2 sundays ago I raced my my friends fd... 5 or 6 times.He has 300+whp and at the time ALL i had was a new clutch. I wont give his forum name....
And he is not a bad driver so dont give me that excuse
Results
1. dead stop to top of 1st gear
I won by 2-3 cars
2. same as above
3. From a dead stop to 110-115mph
I won by 4+ cars
4.Basically same as above, shitty launch by me 2-3 cars
5. From a 2nd gear roll my door was at his door till top of 3rd then he had me by a car
6.I raced him with me driving my friends new SRT 4, My 1st time EVER launching the thing I beat him by a car, that is on VIDEO
7. I raced a bpu STR4 in my car, I killed him on the launch but by end of 1st he was 2 cars behind
Like ive said anything can happen on the street, so stop being so biased its old.
Dont take this as a my car is better than your car BS,I have nothing but respect for a rotary. im stating FACT and TRUTH, giving an actual situation not just running my mouth like some of the trolls on this forum, Funny, most of them own nothing but N/As and are fd fanboys. Stop putting down every car that competes against something you dont and will NEVER own. You rarley see FD guys sound like "my cars better than yours, your viper is slow, your cobra is slow" Since when has a 11.9 in the 1/4 for a stock car been slow? See my point?
I wont be able to post back for a while im dont have Internet in my dorm yet im im using the library. Later guys
if you still dont understand where im coming from, let me make it easy for you.
VR4s are slow.
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The only factor that takes away from road racing a vr4 is weight. It will and allways will be generally slower than a 7 in the turns. And you must be a fool if you think a rwd has better traction than an awd. the guy spun out.... I thought we all knew by now not everyone can drive what they own... Ive never spun out. Ive never lost traction. Dont say what you dont know, thats how misconseptions occur. Dont you feel bad for the poor guy that bought his civic hearing its the best thing since the internet? Well same ****. Just dont run your mouth, you give people false impressions of something you dont own or never drove.
(Im making sure you know im not flaming you im just explaining)
on a better note====
Racing an Non turbo 3000gt or stealth is like racing a fwd fd with 1 rotor and no turbos. They are two completley diffrent classes. As a matter of fact.... before i left for WVU... 2 sundays ago I raced my my friends fd... 5 or 6 times.He has 300+whp and at the time ALL i had was a new clutch. I wont give his forum name....
And he is not a bad driver so dont give me that excuse
Results
1. dead stop to top of 1st gear
I won by 2-3 cars
2. same as above
3. From a dead stop to 110-115mph
I won by 4+ cars
4.Basically same as above, shitty launch by me 2-3 cars
5. From a 2nd gear roll my door was at his door till top of 3rd then he had me by a car
6.I raced him with me driving my friends new SRT 4, My 1st time EVER launching the thing I beat him by a car, that is on VIDEO
7. I raced a bpu STR4 in my car, I killed him on the launch but by end of 1st he was 2 cars behind
Like ive said anything can happen on the street, so stop being so biased its old.
Dont take this as a my car is better than your car BS,I have nothing but respect for a rotary. im stating FACT and TRUTH, giving an actual situation not just running my mouth like some of the trolls on this forum, Funny, most of them own nothing but N/As and are fd fanboys. Stop putting down every car that competes against something you dont and will NEVER own. You rarley see FD guys sound like "my cars better than yours, your viper is slow, your cobra is slow" Since when has a 11.9 in the 1/4 for a stock car been slow? See my point?
I wont be able to post back for a while im dont have Internet in my dorm yet im im using the library. Later guys
if you still dont understand where im coming from, let me make it easy for you.
VR4s are slow.
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08-21-06, 04:29 PM
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im still laughing that a stock vr4 w/ clutch can pull a "300whp" FD. Thats some dope **** your smoking. Wierd how my old 302AWHP steal;th TT wasnt close to my Fd tuned down to 310whp. and his stock VR4 making around 245-255 awhp is beating a 300whp FD that literally wieghs over 1000 lbs less!???!!! Seems a bit fishy 
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08-21-06, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rt turbo
im still laughing that a stock vr4 w/ clutch can pull a "300whp" FD. Thats some dope **** your smoking. Wierd how my old 302AWHP steal;th TT wasnt close to my Fd tuned down to 310whp. and his stock VR4 making around 245-255 awhp is beating a 300whp FD that literally wieghs over 1000 lbs less!???!!! Seems a bit fishy
if all that is "not enough" when i go back to VA ill go at it again but it might be diffrent... by then ill have even more than what I had then and now.
His mod list
1993 R1 Painted CYM
5 speed
Full pulliey set
Downpipe
Exhaust
genuine R.E. AM. Intake
MBC @ 10psi?
Vaccum Hose Job/reduction
FMIC
Koyo Radiator
Non Seq Twins
all reliability mods
Little bit more here and there
Agian this is NOT A Blank vs RX7 thread
im stating FACT and what HAppened. If you hate me for that im sorry, nothing i can do. Im sure as hell not trying to deliver the message that a stock vr4 can allways beat a 300whp fd, if thats what your thinking. But the fact is you better have a good *** launch on the street or there is NO WAY you are going to keep up till above 120 mph.
practice @ 7pm be back in the morning, WVU will be top 5 the whole season belive me!
08-21-06, 05:25 PM
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When you beat that 3s by 10 cars that sounds fishy too 
. but anyways Every rwd ive went against if they have a bad launch they dont pull till really late. Maybe im just a better shifter
. but anyways Every rwd ive went against if they have a bad launch they dont pull till really late. Maybe im just a better shifter
08-21-06, 05:30 PM
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^^ im not calling BS but something is wrong with your story. Something that either your friend didn't tell u or u aren't stating. Either he couldn't drive, or there was something HORRIBLY wrong with his car, or u have more than what u say. That FD should have killed you and RAPED the srt-4. just my .02 cents
08-21-06, 05:35 PM
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^ what up dude hows wva? yes im the guy who raced henessey in my fd. i have gotten most of my work done at rotary performance. the way he stated my mods is correct but, i am also non sequential so it was really hard to keep up off of the launch. i dont think i even start to spool until 3 or 3.5k and he hits full boost at like 2500 or something? 
i must be running funny because the lack of a tune for these new mods, but oh well. None the less that was still a kick *** night! i beat him a couple of times and he beat me just the same its all fun! yeah post the vid, i dont think i got to see any of it.
take care bro, see you thanksgiving and be ready because ill be alot different then.
i must be running funny because the lack of a tune for these new mods, but oh well. None the less that was still a kick *** night! i beat him a couple of times and he beat me just the same its all fun! yeah post the vid, i dont think i got to see any of it. take care bro, see you thanksgiving and be ready because ill be alot different then.
08-21-06, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Henessey
But the fact is you better have a good *** launch on the street or there is NO WAY you are going to keep up till above 120 mph.
practice @ 7pm be back in the morning, WVU will be top 5 the whole season belive me!
practice @ 7pm be back in the morning, WVU will be top 5 the whole season belive me!
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no way il keep up until 120mph??? hows that, a stock VR4 runs mids 13's(2nd gen), i run mid 12s and over 12 mph more with the shittiest launch ever. im passing i by the 1/8 then again, that race would not be fair. but then agian you were quoting a car near my performance when i dont run much boost. i do 385 on full boost btw. that right there is easy 11s with a good launch... which takes a good size turbo upgrade and supporting mods to hit that et. best i could muster was a 12.6 with 13gs on my stealth... i sell it, buy an evo and run 11.97 on stock turbo/stock motor/steet tires. weight is big.
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08-21-06, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Henessey
When you beat that 3s by 10 cars that sounds fishy too . but anyways Every rwd ive went against if they have a bad launch they dont pull till really late. Maybe im just a better shifter
. but anyways Every rwd ive went against if they have a bad launch they dont pull till really late. Maybe im just a better shifter hows that fishy?
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[QUOTE=hennese]But the fact is you better have a good *** launch on the street or there is NO WAY you are going to keep up till above 120 mph.
practice @ 7pm be back in the morning, WVU will be top 5 the whole season belive me!
im editing some of this.. i dont want a flame war. what im saying is an FD running 310whp is easily a mid 12 second car, and 12.3's are not out of the question with a great driver. with 310whp i could spin my way to a 12.6 with over 110 mph. vr4s/stealth tt's need a great launch to run a 13.4 i ran my buddies 96 cause he couldnt drive worth ****, and with a 1.72 60' it ran a 13.49 @ 103. thats modocking for a 3800 lb car to get off the line. thats fast though dont get me wrong... but no where near mid 12s... theres alot of ground between there. and the comment about tnot catching you till 120... if i run a low 12, and you run mid 13s, and i run nearly 120 and you 103-104... correct me if im wrong but id be passing you well before 120... more likely closer to the 1/8th mile mark.
practice @ 7pm be back in the morning, WVU will be top 5 the whole season belive me!
im editing some of this.. i dont want a flame war. what im saying is an FD running 310whp is easily a mid 12 second car, and 12.3's are not out of the question with a great driver. with 310whp i could spin my way to a 12.6 with over 110 mph. vr4s/stealth tt's need a great launch to run a 13.4 i ran my buddies 96 cause he couldnt drive worth ****, and with a 1.72 60' it ran a 13.49 @ 103. thats modocking for a 3800 lb car to get off the line. thats fast though dont get me wrong... but no where near mid 12s... theres alot of ground between there. and the comment about tnot catching you till 120... if i run a low 12, and you run mid 13s, and i run nearly 120 and you 103-104... correct me if im wrong but id be passing you well before 120... more likely closer to the 1/8th mile mark.
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08-22-06, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 93rx74lyfe
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take care bro, see you thanksgiving and be ready because ill be alot different then.
take care bro, see you thanksgiving and be ready because ill be alot different then.
if your single by then there really wouldnt be a contest.... I called you back, no one picked up. Man when you come down here your going to eat so much rice, and no there are no chinese restaurants....
m editing some of this.. i dont want a flame war. what im saying is an FD running 310whp is easily a mid 12 second car, and 12.3's are not out of the question with a great driver. with 310whp i could spin my way to a 12.6 with over 110 mph. vr4s/stealth tt's need a great launch to run a 13.4 i ran my buddies 96 cause he couldnt drive worth ****, and with a 1.72 60' it ran a 13.49 @ 103. thats modocking for a 3800 lb car to get off the line. thats fast though dont get me wrong... but no where near mid 12s... theres alot of ground between there. and the comment about tnot catching you till 120... if i run a low 12, and you run mid 13s, and i run nearly 120 and you 103-104... correct me if im wrong but id be passing you well before 120... more likely closer to the 1/8th mile mark.
Hey when you loose you learn, im not afraid to loose, but i know sooner or later im going to get eaten by an FD, when it happens you know ill tell you. Look at my thread on "what have you lost to" I tell it like it is man, i dont lie. take it easy
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Originally Posted by rt turbo
really?? im +80whp more with over 1000 lbs less. hows that fishy?
hows that fishy?
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that "might" happen?? 
haha! gettin my power fc later this week, maby that will help out with my "non- tune." cant wait till you come back so we can run again, oh yeah call me later i got another kill to tell you about.
~also i think alot of you guys are underestimating the VR-4, sure its as heavy as a tank but that things a really fast car none the less. you know just my $.02
haha! gettin my power fc later this week, maby that will help out with my "non- tune." cant wait till you come back so we can run again, oh yeah call me later i got another kill to tell you about.~also i think alot of you guys are underestimating the VR-4, sure its as heavy as a tank but that things a really fast car none the less. you know just my $.02
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Originally Posted by 93rx74lyfe
~also i think alot of you guys are underestimating the VR-4, sure its as heavy as a tank but that things a really fast car none the less. you know just my $.02
. finally I did but it took turbo upgrades, fuel system, etc. My FD runs the same times on the gtech on the track as i do on the street. I actually tend to hook up better, but i ussually find a cemment pavement road to launch from. so basically for my, 12.40's on the track (low boost) is about there on the street.
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Originally Posted by KhanArtisT
Wow, you guys are ******* retarded. A TT would rape the **** outta his damn car. Go to 3SI.org and educate yourselves.
TTs = 320hp/mid-high 13s @ 102+mph.
If you have full exhaust and you run from a roll then it might be close...but I think you'd be a better match for a DOHC non turbos that run mid-low 15s at 91-92mph if you're stock.
If you don't believe me then please run him and post the results.
TTs = 320hp/mid-high 13s @ 102+mph.
If you have full exhaust and you run from a roll then it might be close...but I think you'd be a better match for a DOHC non turbos that run mid-low 15s at 91-92mph if you're stock.
If you don't believe me then please run him and post the results.
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Originally Posted by rt turbo
that was a worthless post.^
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Just food for thought the only power diffrence between 91-93 and the 94-99 is a hose nipple that restricts the 1st gens to 8 psi. All you do is pop the nipple out and there you go, a 1st gen with 11 psi and 320 hp.