Race Tonight
 

My friend and i are finally going to race our cars tonight.
He has a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T V6 Dohc Manual
I have a 1991 S5 Turbo II Rx-7 Manual

Does anyone have a guess at who you think will win?
He thinks he's gonna kick my ass, but i am pretty confident in my rx-7. His stealth is pushing maybe 210 HP and my rx-7 is pushing like 215 HP. Of course my rx-7 is way lighter than his stealth but he also has more torque. I think we might be racing a quarter mile.

is his the r/t twin turbo/all wheel drive? if not, then he doesnt stand a chance! my bro has a 91 stealth r/t... and i blew the doors off of him several times in my relatively stock s4 t2.... if hes a tt-awd.. then it'll be close!

Try and go from a roll and you'll have em no probs

you will smoke his ass if you know how to drive and launch, no doubt. have fun be safe.

0-60 1/4

1991 Dodge Stealth ES 7.1 15.6
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5

1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II 6.3 14.9

this is gona be good.

shoot a vid if you can!!!! I wanna see the R/T get handed!

R/T is the DOHC N/A.

yeah, i know.... but the twin turbo is also called an r/t... unlike the 3000gt which had the vr-4... dodge called 2 models the r/t... the dohc n/a and the tt-awd.. but the tt-awd had extra badging on the doors that said "twin turbo"

and saynotopistons... you left out the r/t n/a... its a dohc whereas the es was a sohc..so times should be slightly better for the r/t

heres a pic of the tt-awd
http://www.supercars.net/Pics?viewPi...h%20RT%20Turbo

Wow, you guys are fucking retarded. A TT would rape the piss outta his damn car. Go to 3SI.org and educate yourselves.

TTs = 320hp/mid-high 13s @ 102+mph.

If you have full exhaust and you run from a roll then it might be close...but I think you'd be a better match for a DOHC non turbos that run mid-low 15s at 91-92mph if you're stock.

If you don't believe me then please run him and post the results.

more than likely you're right, if it is in fact a VR4 AWD version BUT that hasn't been said yet.... who's the fucking retard now?

edit: just noticed you're a yacht lover, no wonder your post was so full of sarcasm.

Technically the TT is called the RT TT/ RT Twin Turbo. The ES is not an SOHC. Base Stealths are SOHCs.

When I said retarded I was referring to them. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. LOL @ yacht lover. Is that why my Stealth is for sale while I drive my 90 GXL? I guess you're a retard too.

lol..gotta love people that think their cars are better than god! all those times posted are from pro drivers when the cars were new! ive seen MANY tt-awd's put down mid 14 second 1/4's.... maybe low 14's... those are more reasonable times, concidering the car is 15 years old and probubly isnt running to its prime.. and i doubt there is a professional driver behind the wheel! and since that car weighs almost 500lbs more than a fc, i think the power to weight ratio is pretty damn close!

oh, and maybe you should do a little forum searching yourself! s5 turbo 2's arent as slow as you'd think! especially w/ very light mods to them (exhaust, fcd, intake)

more than likely he would have known and posted if it was a TT, that is something you usually don't overlook when comparing vehicles but also the DOHC description less the turbo doesn't add up so clarification is needed. calling people retards because info is missing isn't exactly the best way to make friends.

LOL, what the fuck. Why would you like those people? I don't even own an R/T TT. I don't think my non turbo was even worth the trouble I went through to maintain it. Wrong about the times btw, give me a while and I'll dig up some threads from 3SI for yah. I'm not referring to people who bought the cars and went straight to the track...these are cars that have been freshened up some. I don't see why you'd buy a 15 year old car and take it straight to the track anyway. It weighs a bit more than 500lbs compared to the FC just to let you know...

S5 TII : 2900lbs/ 200hp = 14.5
TT 3/S : 3800lbs/ 320hp = 11.875

Close? Not exactly... :redface: From what I've read and been told S5 TIIs run mid 13s with full exhaust. I am fully aware of how quick they are bud, its the reason I bought one.


lol, I'm not trying to make friends...but thanks for the advice.

All I can dig up at the moment, too sleepy.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=330612

Cliffnotes:

Just letting you know that 1st gens (like the 93 ^^) run low 12 psi and the 2nd gens 94+ run 14psi bumping them up to 320bhp vs. the 1st gens' 300. As you might have guessed this is a common mod for first gens :)

Sorry for the dissapointment.

Edit: OK OK, last one:

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=322978

Cliffnotes:

ok... this is turning into a pissing contest..... so ill keep it simple....

ok... they both have boost controllers, and are both running 14lbs of boost..... and the 12 second car had even more mods...... when i said low 14's, i was referring to bone stock cars... not modified! if you put an exhaust, boost controller,fcd, and intake on both cars... (both running 12-14 lbs of boost) i bet the fc would take the stealth! 12s arent that difficult to reach in a modded 7 either! but regardless, i never said anything negative about the stealth.. i love that car! its a hell of a car! its damn fast too! but i dont think its out of reach of getting beat by an fc w/ the same supporting mods

ok, im done...... nighty night

LOL uhmm..dodge r/t stealh < rotary engine LOl come on. donw here those things get slaughterd liek cattle

HAHAHA, YES, man i kicked his ass!!! we raced a curvy road and man i blew his ass to hell. he got all mad at me and went home, i won $100 out of it. and his dodge stealth is not twin turbo, just r/t. Front wheel drived bastard, i kicked his ass, and he was so confedent. wow, im not gonna be able to sleep tonight. thanks for all of your guys' comments. he wants a rematch tomorrow on a straight away. so ill keep you guys posted. thx again!!!

i can"t even start to belive you doubt your car (unless u have an unhealthy engine) , especially against a vehicle liek that one .

Oh my god. Its not very often on 3SI that you get someone saying 'HEY YALLZ I RAN MUH STOCK TT!!". Its mostly written on sigs, so since I don't post there anymore and sure as hell don't feel like searching I'll wait till you run one on the street and get fucking waxed :lol: The first one I posted was to show you that if it runs high 12s BPU, then it shouldn't be too far off a stock time. I never said 12s was hard to reach in a modded 7 either...seems that you're getting so pussyhurt you're assuming shit. I don't even give a shit that they're faster, they're fucking boats. A member on 3SI took his VR4 to a road course and ended up spinning out like 3 times and crashing the car...:hahaha: And that one guy that tried to run from the cops and hit a telephone pole taking a turn too hard... :rlaugh:

Uh, sure, if you like 16 second cars. This was a pretty retarded statement. A non turbo R/T would wax a stock FB/NA FC and many other rotaries...

I'm still laughing at how proud you are of beating a non turbo model of a "heavy pig"....LOL. Please run a TT and come back. While you're at it please go to your elementary school teachers and shoot them.

Hahahaha...he must be real confident if he wanted to run you on a curvy road :rlaugh: The difference b/w R/TS / RT TTs is not just FWD, also 2 turbos :tonque: He must not go on 3SI, because when you're surrouned by 12/11 second TTs it kinda takes away all the confidence you have...hahaha. Sorry man but your friend sounds like a retard...Sounds like one of those people that look at the car and say 'OH SHIT THAT LOOKS FAST SON' and start racing whoever they see. Nice kill :icon_tup:

shoot, fooled me
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The only factor that takes away from road racing a vr4 is weight. It will and allways will be generally slower than a 7 in the turns. And you must be a fool if you think a rwd has better traction than an awd. the guy spun out.... I thought we all knew by now not everyone can drive what they own... Ive never spun out. Ive never lost traction. Dont say what you dont know, thats how misconseptions occur. Dont you feel bad for the poor guy that bought his civic hearing its the best thing since the internet? Well same shit. Just dont run your mouth, you give people false impressions of something you dont own or never drove.
(Im making sure you know im not flaming you im just explaining)

on a better note====
Racing an Non turbo 3000gt or stealth is like racing a fwd fd with 1 rotor and no turbos. They are two completley diffrent classes. As a matter of fact.... before i left for WVU... 2 sundays ago I raced my my friends fd... 5 or 6 times.He has 300+whp and at the time ALL i had was a new clutch. I wont give his forum name....
And he is not a bad driver so dont give me that excuse

Results
1. dead stop to top of 1st gear
I won by 2-3 cars
2. same as above
3. From a dead stop to 110-115mph
I won by 4+ cars
4.Basically same as above, shitty launch by me 2-3 cars
5. From a 2nd gear roll my door was at his door till top of 3rd then he had me by a car
6.I raced him with me driving my friends new SRT 4, My 1st time EVER launching the thing I beat him by a car, that is on VIDEO
7. I raced a bpu STR4 in my car, I killed him on the launch but by end of 1st he was 2 cars behind

Like ive said anything can happen on the street, so stop being so biased its old.

Dont take this as a my car is better than your car BS,I have nothing but respect for a rotary. im stating FACT and TRUTH, giving an actual situation not just running my mouth like some of the trolls on this forum, Funny, most of them own nothing but N/As and are fd fanboys. Stop putting down every car that competes against something you dont and will NEVER own. You rarley see FD guys sound like "my cars better than yours, your viper is slow, your cobra is slow" Since when has a 11.9 in the 1/4 for a stock car been slow? See my point?


I wont be able to post back for a while im dont have Internet in my dorm yet im im using the library. Later guys

if you still dont understand where im coming from, let me make it easy for you.
VR4s are slow.

Perfect example of how to argue inteligentley. +1

ummm, wrong on the stealth TT numbers.

I ran 13.9 on my bone stock rt twin turbo.

^ the 96 slealth ran a 13.0 bone stock. It was MT or C&D

my cousins VR4 sits in the garage because it eats motors. its a nice car though, i would love to see it run again.

alot of all this can come down to general condition of the car. ive beaten VR4s and GSXs but lost to GTIs. granted its was a turbo vr6, but, whatever.

i will say that the AWD models of both do pull great ETs but the mphs are less than desireable for this street racing whatnot. i personally prefer track racing, so yeah 13.0 is damn good, but i knew alot of people who run okay ET and ridiculous Trap speeds.

like the colt who ran a 10.5...at 148 mph.

okay so 10.5 is still fast as shit, but still. ive seen cars hit hit 8's at the same trap speed.

the Stealth TT that ran a 9.7 mph was 15X! I agree vr4s have slow traps.

they finally break the 3s into the single digits??

I was simply cracking the fuck up watching that video with the guy's red GTO at the track. The lucky/ cop chase thing was even funnier. I never said RWD has more traction than AWD either, I was pointing out that compared to the FC the VR4 isn't really "almighty". Sure if you want a nice car that can wax most on the street its the car for you, but people that like well rounded performance cars would prefer to get an FC due to its handling capabilities, and would mod the car some to make up for the power. Since you can do what you want to a TT 3S but it will never be as nimble and go kart-ish as an FC.

And yes I see he got those 1/4 times from the "0-60 / 1/4 mile times database" that you can find on google if you type in "0-60". They're usually not accurate but I wasn't gonna start arguing with the guy, "professional drivers" :rlaugh:

Funny when you try to educate people and they get so pussy hurt they won't listen to you. I guess I'll just wait till one of you has your girlfriends in your car and come across a VR4 on the street and run him thinking "oh, heavy pig" and come here, post a thread bitching about getting raped...hahaha.

And yes a Stealth TT went 9s.

a VR4 should NEVER be compared to a stock TII anyways, shit... the TII was barely into production fuel injection and is 7 years older than the VR4. the VR4 is in the same class as the FD and even then they aren't even really classed together since any idiot who knows how to launch will pull a RWD a few cars off the line.

to set the story straight a VR4 is a great car out of the box but heavy, strap a few mods on it and it will be a tiny bit quicker but not much mainly due to it's weight. a TII is a gutless wonder out of the box, add a few mods and you can get it into the 12's easy enough for much less in cost than it would be to buy even the stock VR4 model. i find it hard to believe a 300RWHP FD lost to a stock VR4 up 115 by 4 cars, your friend doesn't know how to shift, i believe the launch but not the end result.

this is not a pissing contest there is just a lot of misinformation on this thread.

^ fair enough... he may not be drag champ but he knows how to shift. I have 2 videos both horrible quality, its a digital picture cam not a vid so no sound either. The one of me in the srt is clear quality. Ill post em soon enough

I owned both
 

dude! theres absolutely NO WAY you beat a 300whp fd in your stock vr4!! NO WAY!! I owned a stealth TT with 300AWHP and my FD currently makes 310whp on 10.5 psi and it is much much FASTER THAN MY STEALTH WAS!!! not even close. your way off with that. your vr4 would need 340+whp to be even with that FD after 60mph. I love the 3s cars, but it just DOES NOT OUTPERFORM THE FD!! PERIOD. Your freind was lying when he said it makes 300whp. that car would murder your stock vr4. even with your launch! it would come back and wip you with its wnd after it blows by you at 60mph. I raced a VR4 2nd gen last week with intake, exhaust, dp, 13psi, and i murdered it by over 10 cars from a roll, and from launch (cause he just had to prove AWD), he had me by 2 cars until 2nd gear when i proceeded to blow his doors off and pulled 5 cars on him. not even close. dont believe me? come to charlotte and il show you.

So, why are we talking about a VR4? The guy raced a n/a stealth. Big woop.

im still laughing that a stock vr4 w/ clutch can pull a "300whp" FD. Thats some dope shit your smoking. Wierd how my old 302AWHP steal;th TT wasnt close to my Fd tuned down to 310whp. and his stock VR4 making around 245-255 awhp is beating a 300whp FD that literally wieghs over 1000 lbs less!???!!! Seems a bit fishy :squint:

Well FDs feel like they pull 2x harder than vr4s but when we went from a roll he wasnt too far ahead 1 car. Like i said i have 2-3 vids no vid of the roll, they are night shots but you can tell its an fd. If thats not enough for you ill ask the guy to tell you himself on the forum. Belive it or not. Im just stating FACT and what Happened. Like i said... ANYTHING can happen on the street. Ill post vids sometime tommorrow and ill ask my friend if its ok to let his name out.

if all that is "not enough" when i go back to VA ill go at it again but it might be diffrent... by then ill have even more than what I had then and now.

His mod list
1993 R1 Painted CYM
5 speed
Full pulliey set
Downpipe
Exhaust
genuine R.E. AM. Intake
MBC @ 10psi?
Vaccum Hose Job/reduction
FMIC
Koyo Radiator
Non Seq Twins
all reliability mods
Little bit more here and there

Agian this is NOT A Blank vs RX7 thread
im stating FACT and what HAppened. If you hate me for that im sorry, nothing i can do. Im sure as hell not trying to deliver the message that a stock vr4 can allways beat a 300whp fd, if thats what your thinking. But the fact is you better have a good ass launch on the street or there is NO WAY you are going to keep up till above 120 mph.

practice @ 7pm be back in the morning, WVU will be top 5 the whole season belive me!

When you beat that 3s by 10 cars that sounds fishy too ;). but anyways Every rwd ive went against if they have a bad launch they dont pull till really late. Maybe im just a better shifter

^^ im not calling BS but something is wrong with your story. Something that either your friend didn't tell u or u aren't stating. Either he couldn't drive, or there was something HORRIBLY wrong with his car, or u have more than what u say. That FD should have killed you and RAPED the srt-4. just my .02 cents

^ what up dude hows wva? yes im the guy who raced henessey in my fd. i have gotten most of my work done at rotary performance. the way he stated my mods is correct but, i am also non sequential so it was really hard to keep up off of the launch. i dont think i even start to spool until 3 or 3.5k and he hits full boost at like 2500 or something? :Wconfused i must be running funny because the lack of a tune for these new mods, but oh well. None the less that was still a kick ass night! i beat him a couple of times and he beat me just the same its all fun! yeah post the vid, i dont think i got to see any of it.

take care bro, see you thanksgiving and be ready because ill be alot different then. :bottom:

ehh, dude, dont preach the AWD thing to me. ive owned a stealth tt, eclipse GSX, R32, Evo VIII. i know what launchs can do, but i also know what my FD can. i pass up stock vr4s, evos, and wrxs before 65mph. by 120 im just at the end of the 1/4. 120 a vr4 is nearing a 1/2 mile. the launch helps, but its not that good when your RWD car can hook decently (1.9x 60'). if you hit 1.75 with your launch thats barely 1 to 2 legths... that is more momentum than anything. then your car falls on its face with the punie 9b turbos.
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no way il keep up until 120mph??? hows that, a stock VR4 runs mids 13's(2nd gen), i run mid 12s and over 12 mph more with the shittiest launch ever. im passing i by the 1/8 then again, that race would not be fair. but then agian you were quoting a car near my performance when i dont run much boost. i do 385 on full boost btw. that right there is easy 11s with a good launch... which takes a good size turbo upgrade and supporting mods to hit that et. best i could muster was a 12.6 with 13gs on my stealth... i sell it, buy an evo and run 11.97 on stock turbo/stock motor/steet tires. weight is big.

really?? im +80whp more with over 1000 lbs less. :rlaugh: hows that fishy?

double post

[QUOTE=hennese]But the fact is you better have a good ass launch on the street or there is NO WAY you are going to keep up till above 120 mph.

practice @ 7pm be back in the morning, WVU will be top 5 the whole season belive me!

im editing some of this.. i dont want a flame war. what im saying is an FD running 310whp is easily a mid 12 second car, and 12.3's are not out of the question with a great driver. with 310whp i could spin my way to a 12.6 with over 110 mph. vr4s/stealth tt's need a great launch to run a 13.4 i ran my buddies 96 cause he couldnt drive worth shit, and with a 1.72 60' it ran a 13.49 @ 103. thats modocking for a 3800 lb car to get off the line. thats fast though dont get me wrong... but no where near mid 12s... theres alot of ground between there. and the comment about tnot catching you till 120... if i run a low 12, and you run mid 13s, and i run nearly 120 and you 103-104... correct me if im wrong but id be passing you well before 120... more likely closer to the 1/8th mile mark.

You bastard :icon16:
if your single by then there really wouldnt be a contest.... I called you back, no one picked up. Man when you come down here your going to eat so much rice, and no there are no chinese restaurants....:suspect:

Man I hear you, i know exactly where your coming from, but on the street its way diffrent than a track. This MKIV guy i know has a white NA-T supra with ~500whp off the bottle. On the track he had a 60 foot of ~1.8 thats fast as hell, but when he lined up with a wrx with ~280whp he did not catch up till 3rd, spun hella tires.
Hey when you loose you learn, im not afraid to loose, but i know sooner or later im going to get eaten by an FD, when it happens you know ill tell you. Look at my thread on "what have you lost to" I tell it like it is man, i dont lie. take it easy

Maybe I just need to be proven wrong 1st hand :shrug: that might happen around thanksgiving...

that "might" happen?? :fingersx: haha! gettin my power fc later this week, maby that will help out with my "non- tune." cant wait till you come back so we can run again, oh yeah call me later i got another kill to tell you about.

~also i think alot of you guys are underestimating the VR-4, sure its as heavy as a tank but that things a really fast car none the less. you know just my $.02

NAw I know they are... i used to own a modded stealth TT. But damn it was a chore to get it into the 12's. :wallbash: . finally I did but it took turbo upgrades, fuel system, etc. My FD runs the same times on the gtech on the track as i do on the street. I actually tend to hook up better, but i ussually find a cemment pavement road to launch from. so basically for my, 12.40's on the track (low boost) is about there on the street.

alright, Mr. "you guys are fucking retarded" how about this, i think your a fucking retard, either that or you didn't actually read even the first post in this thread. could you please show me a 1991 R/T TT or VR-4 that was rated at 320 hp? didn't think so, how about a 1992? no, well darn third time's a charm right so how about a 1993, oh crud, seems like you loose. that's kind of like me saying i could smoke a new corvette because some corvettes back in the 70's were rated at less than 150 hp.(never mind that it would take a stage 2 or stage 3 Lingenfelter TT vette to keep pace/out run me) but please if your going to be a dick about things, get your facts straight... they didn't get the bump to 320 HP untill 1994 with the second gen's. TY come again

that was a worthless post.^

i did it as soon as i read the idiots post. hadn't read the rest of the thread yet. seems like most of it was already covered, but oh well can't delete it now

Just food for thought the only power diffrence between 91-93 and the 94-99 is a hose nipple that restricts the 1st gens to 8 psi. All you do is pop the nipple out and there you go, a 1st gen with 11 psi and 320 hp.