adam c

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At age 21, you are hardly qualified to comment. At age 17, driving experience is minimal. At that age, he has no idea how little he knows. I'm not saying he is stupid. However, there is no doubt that he is inexperienced.

Rotary Noob

^^Agreed, and seconded. Im 18, and i know that i dont know everything, which is my saving grace. Yeah, I do stuff to try and fix that, but in no way am I empowered.

Still just trying to learn more.

gainer_reniag

BAAAAAAAAAAAA....LOL

02rsxblkjc

lol at the 18 year old comments... except for those kids who are 16,17,18 who drive in circuts in stock cars....

but you are also right us "youngins" dont have the exp, and we think b/c our cars fast and we can beat others that we can drive... try 5-10 more years of driving...

w33n

I love people who bash everyone on forums.
When are people going to realize that it doesn't matter if you are 18, 80, stupid, smart, skilled, or whatever? If you get on public roads and race, and are a sucky driver, it will show eventually because you will toast your car. If you go to a course, or actually use some brains on the streets, then whoever gets to the finish line first wins. It doesn't matter how f*****g old you are or how much you think you know about racing. Conversely, if you are young, and you act like a fool, then you are doing a great job of convincing everyone who has any driving experience that everyone young is a terrible driver.
So young people, try not to suck it up too much. Older people, don't be such condescending ******.
Just sayin'.

Rotary Noob

^^ Word.

I have the feeling youre not new here...as this is your only post.

Orr89rocz

what this directed to me, cuz if it was, i dont see how its relevant that i am hardly qualified to comment. i wont even go into why, its pointless to argue it over the net. just wondering if it was at me and why u think that way

adam c

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Did you try to read this? It's written like a 5 year old kid. You won't earn any respect writing like this.

Yes, it was directed at you. I am simply saying that at age 21, you are also inexperienced.

mirabile

I disagree. I am older then any of these younger guys above, but I started driving karts from 13, by the time I was 16 I was more then proficient in my ability to race both karts and cars. I don't think it is the same for the guys above, but do not forget that most guys on the racing circuit were running at 150+ around a track before they were 16. I have been around those type of people while growing up, so gross generalizations on age really mean nothing in the racing world.

Orr89rocz

well it makes perfect sense so i dont see why you are tryin to make a point on how it was written. the first word clearly should have been was, but i typed it fast and its been a long week for me. Its not written as a 5 year old obviously(just the first word), and you making a big deal about it makes me question your reading ability. haha just fill in the blanks

And fortunately enough for me, i'm not tryin to earn anyones respect. i give two (insert word) who you are because i probly will never meet you in person. Just like alot of ppl on this board. But i'm sure if we did, we'd get along and you probly are a cool guy. We both like cars and thats enough for me to like someone. And dont take what i say as being serious, i'm just playin around. I'm not as well known on this forum to be talking like this so i have to add the disclaimer.

Anyway yes maybe i'm not the best race car driver since i havent had any racing experience (ie road racing/autocross) but i have had tons of daily driving experience and moderate hard driving experience in my own car to know what its capable of and to be a good driver. Unlike most people, i'm controlled with my driving. I know my limits and how to handle a car. with 5 years of experience and doing lots of driving, you gain great daily driving skills...well atleast some do and i'm one of them. I still have lots of learnin to do in the handling department, but i'll do that when my cars ready.

adam c

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You seem like a nice guy. I really don't have anything against most of the young drivers on this forum. However, there are many of them that are clearly ignorant.

Regarding experience: Like it or not, young drivers are inexperienced. Because of that they are far more likely to get in accidents. Insurance company statistics have proven this. Sure, there are some youthful drivers that are better than others. That will be the case in any age group. However, that does not change the FACT that drivers over 25 are the better drivers. How many NASCAR drivers are under 25? I'm sure its a small percentage. How many SCCA national champions are under 25. Again, I'm sure its a small percentage. Why???? Experience

Orr89rocz

well nascar and competitve SCCA is different from normal street driving and the occassional autocross stuff or road race event. but yeah i get what your saying. experience in there does count.

teddyrx2

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You have got to be kidding me, If I ever saw that **** in the parking lot I would be the one calling the cops for your stupidity and indangerment to the people that could be around. There are some young kids in this thread that have common sense, but you bite the ******* bullet. Go crazy in a wet parking lot is not going to teach life lessons in every driving condition, try doing that **** on wet streets when your going to fast and your about to hit someone from the back and you freeze up and don't know what the **** to do cuz all you know how to do is lose controll in a parking lot. Stupid ***

teddyrx2

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+1

Orr89rocz

it was never ment to teach life driving lessons....just the limits of the car in conditions both wet and dry. its crucial to get a feel for what the car is capable of.

but then again, one shouldnt be doin that on the street in the first place. i may take some back roads and do some corner carving cuz its fun, but i'm not pushing the limit of the car. I couldnt live without my car if i crashed it.
BUT just incase someone did cut you off, or something fell onto the road infront of you and you had to manevure quickly, that parking lot experience starts to look good. (and i never have done the parking lot thing, except at work when it rained, we went out and toyed around doin some small drifts and donuts)

teddyrx2

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Hey man it's what ever just think about what you say cuz what might sound good in your head might not sound good when you post on the forum. There are many people out here specially those in there golden years who hate young kids with FD for some reason or anohter and are quick to flame that person for the luck of being young, having an FD, AND on top of that having the car modded up. I don't really care, I tip my hat to the young cats out there just becareful is all and those around you.

matty

u speak like an idiot thats why we flame u..not cause of your age.

teddyrx2

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You flame because you have nothing better else to do

jstefanon

GENERALLY inexperienced.

Experience is not a function of time-on-planet, but a function of what you spend that time doing. I know plenty of drivers in the 18-21 age group that have great experience. These are young racing drivers who spend nearly every waking hour thinking about going fast or doing it. The percentage of SCCA national champions under 25 has more to do with money than experience. A kid who spends all his time racing won't have earned much money, and few racing families are willing or able to campaign a car nationally for a kid that young. Regional SCCA racing is expensive, and nationals even more so if you want to be competitive.
That said, many very young racers succeed at national and international racing. Valentino Rossi comes to mind. Jeff Gordon was 24 the first time he won the championship. Brian Vickers won the Busch series at 20. Grandma is WAYYY over 25, but she's not a 'better driver' than any of these guys.
Kurt Busch notwithstanding, the skills a racing driver works to perfect are applicable to street driving; an experienced racer is an experienced driver in both areas.

Generalizations are ok if you're an insurance company. Orr89Rocz is an actual person. We don't know his qualifications.
Likewise, a 17 or 21 year-old may know very little about life in general, and probably knows very little about anything at all. However there may be some doubt that he is inexperienced as a driver. He could in fact be very experienced as a driver.

If you're looking to counter somebody, I think it's better to base your attack on things they say rather than generalizations based on age. You come off sounding ignorant yourself, even though I think you're correct that most of the young drivers here are inexperienced and unskilled. Except for mirabile, who's been karting and racing since an early age, it doesn't sound like any of them know what they're talking about..

If you think you beat a 'vette by short-shifting a rotary, either you are wrong or the 'vette was sick. My mom can take you. Seriously, she has an STI and pushes it. Learn your shift points before you get dropped by an old lady with gray hair.

If you think drifting around a wet parking lot prepares you for high-speed adventures, you are only partially right. There are many skills you need to go fast safely. Those drifting skills come in handy sometimes, like if you're going 100 in a first-gen RX-7 in 6" of snow. (Not that I would ever do that. And if I ever did, I would make sure to do it on rural interstate with nobody around. Are any of you Virginia State Troopers?) Throttle-steer is good to practice, tho!

If you're 19 and your parents bought you a Z06 I personally would like to kill you. ;-p (Kidding: wish I had your parents!)
I had to learn to go fast in a Volvo Diesel 245. Talk about a momentum car! It was easily taken to its limits, so I spent most of my time testing them. Trust me I was a very experienced 18-year-old driver, but nowhere near as much as some racing drivers at that age. Still, I learned the most important lesson that any racer will agree with: you have to go smooth to go fast. I was usually faster than my friends in 5.0s and Chevelles, but never in a straight line.

jstefanon

I'm sorry, was that over the top?

Obviously I don't have much experience getting along with others on boards.

But I do get tired of the same routine.

I'd rather hear what somebody else's experience has been...
than have you tell me what it can't be.

Orr89rocz

naw, it sounded good. not too over the top. i totally agree that experience is more time oriented in what you are doing, and not necessarily total time spent on the planet. haha you could do the same thing over and over again for years and not be great at it. some ppl have gifts and talents and excel at things more so than some ppl

i notice your from harrisburg...i'm from around pittsburgh. you on pittspeed.com?

adam c

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That was quite a "rant". From my perspective, I don't really understand why you think I sound ignorant, when you agree with me

jstefanon

There's a diff btwn sounding ignorant and being ignorant.

I don't accuse you of the second, just the first.

I don't have a beef w/ your assessment of these particular posts by young drivers indicating their inexperience. I just think the way you said it doesn't support your point.

You are feeding their argument. They can say that you are just some old fart who thinks all kids are the same. Or whatever they would say. When I was young we called people my age 'old farts'.

I'd rather see somebody call them out as individuals on the dumb things they say. Then they might realize that they can do better, learn more, go faster.

We want them as wise as possible as soon as possible, so they don't wreck those beautiful cars.

jstefanon

Nah. I'll check it out, tho.

adam c

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Perhaps you should reread what I wrote.