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Old 01-03-07, 01:30 PM
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mine is turbo 2,and i dont know much about nx2000 so i cant say anything,but like i say to everyone that wants to race,line it up!i mean your car may be faster i dont know,but as for the 240 he got his *** kicked!but i know friends with 240s that can take my rx7 ez.but i give love to all car lovers,not just rx7s.later!
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I understand yours is TII, and i'de obviously lose to that car even with my SE-R, because you have turbo. As for stock 240's, they suck..the KA24 is dependable but not a good race engine. The reason this struck me as odd is because I know quite a bit about SR20DET's and what they can do w/ certain mods but I can't assume the driver knew how to drive. As for being familiar w/ the NX. NX2000's have the SR20DE 2.0, a LSD front drive tranny, 143hp @ 6400rpm 131tq @ 4800rpm, redline @ 7500 rpm, weigh 2460 dry, get 30mpg, bottom end can handle upwards of 400hp with no changing of rods, pistons etc., 0-60 in 7 seconds, 1/4 15.9, made the NX for only 3 years selling in the single digit thousands through all 3 years making them extremely rare, were in car and driver top 10 for all 3 years made...i'm sure i'm forgetting something. either way you're RX-7 is stealthy/sexy..so i guess i can't talk crap.
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cool i have to look in to the nx2000,my bother has a old,like 86 or 87 in his back yard he said for 100 bucks i could have it.but it needs a starter.
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They didn't make the NX2000 in 86 or 87, they made the Pulsar NX which is something completley different. not to be confused with my NX2000, or a Pulsar Gti-R (235hp AWD turbo sr20det)
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Originally Posted by Hondaeat-R
I find that unlikely..what are your mods anyways ? i own 3 sr20 powered cars & know a good amount about them and how they run in different chassis, nx2000, se-r,200sx, 240sx....a stock sr20det running a t25 stock turbo @ 6lbs makes about 210hp while a TII makes 190 right ? a 240 weighs less, revs higher, makes power longer, can handle more consistent high boost. i guess i should know your mods before bashing but, w/ a gt25 you can make 325 hp with other bolt ons & proper tuning . a sr20det w/ gt25, bolt ons & front mount @ 15 lbs would school a mildly modded TII. I think dannie needs driving lessons.
You claim to be such an SR20 aficionado, but your numbers are off/overexaggerated. I came from owning an SR20DET powered 240, and i did all the work myself as well. First off, the SR makes 205 crank hp stock, 202 wtq, not 210. Also, on the stock t25, the highend suffers, although it does rev all the way to 7500 rpms. Another thing is, with a GT25, i doubt people are making 325 hp without really cranking up the boost, hell, people could barely hit 300 with the ball bearing S15 T28. I would think you might be referring to the GT28(R). I don't recall the OP stating that the SR was boosting 15lbs, but maybe i'm wrong, i could definately see a mildly modded TII beating an SR swapped 240, it depends on many factors. It's just not safe to say that just because the 240 has an SR that it "should" have no problem beating the TII. Btw, i don't own a TII, i own an FD. Just my .02$ not trying to offend anyone.
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Originally Posted by Hondaeat-R
Haha, he said "piston ****". ..It's such **** that only one car company made rotaries ...? Not to mention that rotaries are the engines that need such attention and rebuilding just to optimize their already marginal power. I don't wanna get too deep in this debate but I'm just saying I'de like to see proof of these kills, otherwise every 18 year old w/ a big muffler will be claiming these "kills".
marginal power. actually a rotary has the highest power to displacement ratio of an other engine. you may have opened up a large can of worms with the "marinal power" coment. attention to rebuilding? you mean attention to tuning. the problem is that people dont tune them properly and pop. i have a friend with an SA with 480,000 miles on the original engine and still has over 100 psi on all rotor faces.

if you wanna put money on a stock sr20ed 240 racing a mildley modded Tii that is not very hard to produce. most of the guys around here with sr20's just have them stock because they cant afford anything else. you bring the camera and ill bring my GXL-T and well race your 240, oh yea... you dont have one. hahaha
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1.) He's not running a T25, but a t25 will only work efficiently up to 250hp.
2.) Didn't the post say that the 240 had some bolt ons a boost controller & FMIC ?
3.) People ARE making 325 hp on GT25's, they have the proper bolt ons along with tuning & fuel mods, and if they run 14 or 15 psi..they're making in the neighborhood of 325 for sure.
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Originally Posted by dregg100
marginal power. actually a rotary has the highest power to displacement ratio of an other engine. you may have opened up a large can of worms with the "marinal power" coment. attention to rebuilding? you mean attention to tuning. the problem is that people dont tune them properly and pop. i have a friend with an SA with 480,000 miles on the original engine and still has over 100 psi on all rotor faces.

if you wanna put money on a stock sr20ed 240 racing a mildley modded Tii that is not very hard to produce. most of the guys around here with sr20's just have them stock because they cant afford anything else. you bring the camera and ill bring my GXL-T and well race your 240, oh yea... you dont have one. hahaha

OK, if you go by power to displacement yea, that's just due to the design of the rotary...doesn't make the rotary some marvel of modern day technology. Clown , I didn't say a stock sr20det would beat a modded TII, stop making **** up so you can feel right. stock TII vs. stock sr20det in a 240...240 wins pal, sorry to break it to ya. I'm not saying the rotary sucks, especially since i'm getting one,... i'm just saying it's got downfalls that some of their owners are too ignorant to admit. and once again..i never said i had a 240 w/ swap....just like you don't have 46 chromosomes..same thing.
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well i guess im going to put in my 2 cents.

having owned both an sr20det s13 coupe and an rx7, i can speak from experience that a near stock sr20det s13 coupe is a little bit quicker then a near stock t2. if he was running a t25 then he was on stock turbo. not much to brag about. your friend should learn to drive better or you should learn not to exagerate your car lengths.

the one problem people have on this forum is "the 7 cant lose" mentality. they are great cars, unique and fun to drive more so then the average car. but when it comes to the power potential its about on par with the sr20det. they both have similar powerbands, so in the end it would come down to the driver skill stock for stock, or light mod to light mod. however i dont beleive you pulled quite the lenght you did unless he missed a shift or has terrible reaction time.
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Originally Posted by Hondaeat-R
SR's are possibly the most stout 4 cylinders ever made.
Close....4G>SR

and my car weighs 2630lbs with half a tank and me out, only actual weight reduction is ac and PS

oh and i think it is stoutest, not most stout....."So next time don't be so ignorant...it makes you look dumb"
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the sr is up there with the 4g and the 3sgte as one of the best 4cyl's imho.
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Originally Posted by zbrown
Close....4G>SR

and my car weighs 2630lbs with half a tank and me out, only actual weight reduction is ac and PS

oh and i think it is stoutest, not most stout....."So next time don't be so ignorant...it makes you look dumb"
Thanks for the lesson in language but my mother teaches college english, and i'm pretty sure "most stout" works just fine. Thanks though for your help..
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Originally Posted by fcrotornut
well i guess im going to put in my 2 cents.

having owned both an sr20det s13 coupe and an rx7, i can speak from experience that a near stock sr20det s13 coupe is a little bit quicker then a near stock t2. if he was running a t25 then he was on stock turbo. not much to brag about. your friend should learn to drive better or you should learn not to exagerate your car lengths.

the one problem people have on this forum is "the 7 cant lose" mentality. they are great cars, unique and fun to drive more so then the average car. but when it comes to the power potential its about on par with the sr20det. they both have similar powerbands, so in the end it would come down to the driver skill stock for stock, or light mod to light mod. however i dont beleive you pulled quite the lenght you did unless he missed a shift or has terrible reaction time.
I'm glad someone else saw the BS in all of this. Just because i'm new to rotary engines doesn't mean i'm new to performance autos & the concepts that go along with them. I never said the rotary was bad, but it's just not as invincible as people make it seem. I can't help it that when I smell BS I call it, and typically "Kill sections" stink to high heaven of it.
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Originally Posted by dregg100
actually a 240 weighs 2700, right? a stock tii weights that much as well. then take into consideration that the turbo, intercooler, etc. adds weight to the 240. then this guy with the Tii has atleast exhaust, and a full exhaust on a Tii adds 60-70 hp alone. do the math.
you forget to take into consideration that an sr20 block is lighter then a ka, sr20det = aluminum, ka = cast iron.

on top of that, exhaust = 60 - 70hp ?! since when?! i know rotary engine's well and i know that they get more gain through basic mods then piston engines. but you cant go pulling excesively high numbers out of your butt either.

my full racing beat exhaust scored me a whopping 12rwhp...
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Booyah, I feel a little less crazy now.
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Originally Posted by dregg100
most of the guys around here with sr20's just have them stock because they cant afford anything else. you bring the camera and ill bring my GXL-T and well race your 240, oh yea... you dont have one. hahaha

im glad you used the word most, alot of that has to do with mid to low 13's being acheivable with mild mods, ive seen a handful of sr20's locally hit low 13's on stock turbo... theres a guy on texasimports.org named sinisterysuby, he lives here in town with me and pulled a 13.28, his mods are fmic, full 3 inch exhaust, intake and 14psi on stock turbo.

ive yet to take mine to the track, ive got a similar setup, just at less psi.

to be honest, the reason you see mostly stock sr20det's are because they are more then capable to make comftorable street power without being well modded.

not many people want or need 12's out of a daily driver and most sr guy i know daily drive theirs.
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12 whp on what car? NA or turbo? if you only made 12 whp on a full turbo back exhaust then there is something wrong with your car. RB claims 59hp on a completely stock car. and there are more free flowing exhausts out there thanRB. I.E. straight pipe.
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Originally Posted by fcrotornut
you forget to take into consideration that an sr20 block is lighter then a ka, sr20det = aluminum, ka = cast iron.

on top of that, exhaust = 60 - 70hp ?! since when?! i know rotary engine's well and i know that they get more gain through basic mods then piston engines. but you cant go pulling excesively high numbers out of your butt either.

my full racing beat exhaust scored me a whopping 12rwhp...
now im just asking here because i dont know, but do you have to upgrade the drivetrain with an SR20? usually heavy duty drivetrain stuff(tranny, rearend) adds weight.
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guess there was something wrong with my car then haha.

claiming hp and actually getting whats claimed can sometimes be 2 different things, there are so many variable's to real world gains.
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Originally Posted by dregg100
now im just asking here because i dont know, but do you have to upgrade the drivetrain with an SR20? usually heavy duty drivetrain stuff(tranny, rearend) adds weight.

no upgrades to the drivetrain are required. other then extending the wires for the maf and 02 sensor on the wiring harness and cutting holes for the ic piping the sr swap is a straight drop in.


im glad to see you asking and wanting to learn, most people just hop in and bash before having knowledge.
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Originally Posted by dregg100
a full exhaust on a Tii adds 60-70 hp alone. do the math.
thats going in sig.
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def good for a laugh
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ok so i talk to the guy lastnight,he has t25,fmic,coldair intake,stock pipes with a U muffler thats all and running 8psi,he said its got 268 to the wheels!now i should have about 290 to the wheels,so i dont know why its so hard to beli?
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nice kill these guys hate to much, cant post a kill cuz then u get called a lair, so yea, and if u post u killed a car u can beat ull get hated on, lol to all u haters
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Originally Posted by dregg100
now im just asking here because i dont know, but do you have to upgrade the drivetrain with an SR20? usually heavy duty drivetrain stuff(tranny, rearend) adds weight.
no you don't

sr20det is a stock engine for the car, after all

tranny is usually part of the sr20det swap and comes with what you buy
the stock driveshaft and rear differential are fine.
stock rear axles are said to be good to about 400hp (http://www.driveshaftshop.com/240parts.ivnu)
240 chassis can handle the abuse just fine

that's why it's a good platform, even if ricer band wagoners don't realize it.



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