Dam i dont know what the hell just happened but my little 83 gsl with heaters and exhaust beat a evo mr on the freeway.....i know what ur thinking racing in the freeway is gay but we both dropped it in 4th at the same time and i pulled on him a car and a half.....dam he was pissed......am still shocked but i guess evo's don't have much of a top speed.......haha.......dam all i got is a 12a with a mild street port, heaters to glassback to apexi exhaust and running a little rich.....am not sure how much hp that is but i know the evo had more then me..........

 

you sir are the reason a video camera was invented, thats like me posting that i just beat a c6 zo6 with a bonestock FD.

 

Wow... I don't think I've ever done this, but:



It was a new Lancer... Absolutely, 100% it was not an EVO MR. There's no question.

 

i think you mean HEADERS...because i never heard of a heater adding power.... not sure if i believe that... evos are pretty stout outta the box.. and yeah he didnt have his AWD advantage but still

 

man people need to do some research on what cars are out there. we have one guy saying he beat 2 wrxs with intake on his n/a FC and well this guy is the worst. rule# 1 of rx7club know your enemy...oh and dont talk about rx7club

 

only way possible is if you were both at 30mph, in 5th, and hit it. They have horrible spool that low in the rpms. Top gear did a test with the MR vs some little shitty car, at 30mph in 5th gear (just for kicks, no one in their right mind would do that)

 

I have a feeling that the spool is rpm specific, so if that guy driving the evo doesn't know what he's doing...it's possible....maybe...

He could have shifted into the wrong gear, etc...etc...

Or it could be a ricer with MR badges on a Lancer...who knows..

 

simple... the evo had a massive boost leak.

 

 

sorry my bad HEADERS!.....it was late and i was still in shock.........o by the way i did see that top gear video with the evo and they said it has a lot of turbo lagg.......so thats probably what happen but all i know is i took him.......but i know from a stop he would of took me bad......but yea that was a cool night......

 

Well, actually intake and exhaust (no cats) will put an N/A pretty close to a stock WRX from a roll, with the advantage going to the N/A as the speed increases.

 

too bad the race wasn't from a roll

 

Or the guy was still breaking in his motor.

 

also, intake and exhaust on a n/a car is not going to make a big difference as it would on its turbo counterpart. im sorry but these races are bullshit. this guy was racing probably a lancer rallyart or oz edition and the other guy was racing a 2.5rs. oh and another thing of course your going to have alot of lag in 5th gear when your going 30mph probably drops it to 1800 rpms. im just saying my buddy who used to have wrx with just a catback ran 13.9 and was running low 14's all day. im pretty sure an N/A with just intake and tranny mods wouldn't come close to high 14's

 

Hey... I think you overestimate a stock WRX. I have plenty of experience with them and I used to feel the same way. My defense of the WRX stemmed from the fact that the first fast car I had any personal experience with was the BRAND NEW WRX when I was 17. Of course, now that I have tons of experience with all different types of cars, the WRX is sadly not the car that it "used to be" with me...

After seeing 4 or 5 different WRX's get smoked by any number of the VW VR6 cars that my friends have, they've fallen off of their pedestal.

BTW, my old '87 N/A with gutted cats and a drop-in K&N filter would've pulled on a WRX in 3rd+ gear. If the races (in question) had poor WRX drivers, they could've easily lost a street-race in the lower gears to an N/A Rx7. Seriously. I have a feeling that you have no experience with N/A Rx7's (obviously). Not only that, there's a HUGE difference between quarter-mile and a street-race.

 

Top Gear did not do a test on a MR. It was on a Lancer FQ400. Its based on the EVO 7 or 8, i dont remember. Basically its a factory built Evo with 400bhp. Evo MR would not be as bad in 5th gear, but still not so good. Just wanted to clear things up =)

 

either way evo MRs are nice!

 

lol since wrx's came out 2001-2002 that makes you about 21-22 maybe 23 and you have tons of experience with other cars. i think you overestimate an NA rx7, and your right i have no experience with them but then again i would never buy that car, since i buy my cars not mommy and daddy. also, theres not a huge difference between 1/4 mile and a street race from a dig. you line up and you go your probably one of those guys that does the 20-40 mph roll race which is all good in which the vr6 might win with a good driver but this is not a vr6 were talking about its a na rx7 with a couple minor mods. im sorry but if it is true this guy is a great driver and the rex was terrible same thing with the evo which i find very hard to believe.

 

Relatively speaking, yes. At least compared to the knowledge that I posessed (regarding cars) when I used to think that a WRX was fast...

Haha, of COURSE you'd say that... You moron. You just admitted that you have no idea what you're talking about.

WTF is your point? You would never buy that car because you buy your cars? That makes zero sense...

Does it suprise you that someone on Rx7club.com enjoys (and therefore purchases) a non-turbo Rx7...?

Not only that, but you make a pretty snide and ignorant assumption that "mommy and daddy" bought my car(s), or that everyone who owns an N/A Rx7 had their "mommy and daddy" buy it for them. Just because a $2000 car was too much for you to purchase at 17, doesn't mean that everyone else is (or was) as poor as you at that age...

Well, considering that we're referring to an actual race between a WRX and a slightly modified FC... There is a HUGE difference if the AWD car doesn't launch, therefore giving up it's greatest advantage.

Hmmm... No?

Does it suprise you that a lightly mod'd VR6 Jetta, a lightly mod'd N/A Rx7 and a stock WRX are quite comparable?

Note: From my personal experience with these cars, the Jetta will begin pulling on both of the these cars in the upper RPM's of 3rd gear and keep pulling through 4th gear and beyond. After 4th gear, both the Rx7 and the WRX almost completely run out of steam.

Well, again (and of course) you're confusing the issue. Regarding the EVO MR vs. a lightly mod'd FB, the answer is clear to me. It didn't happen--we can agree on that. It must've been a Lancer.

But regarding a mod'd N/A Rx7 vs. a WRX (that didn't launch), you have already admitted that you have no idea what you're talking about...

 

i can believe this, i have a 89 GTU almost stock, and two months ago when i had the holley carb and 1st gen dizzy, everthing else stock,and i beat 2 WRX's, the story goes i was going to my house on a friday night and i stopped on the light ( im not gonna say the road was) and this red subbie stopped next to me, he reved and he looked at me and when the light turned green we took off and he got a half a car over me so i kept going and hit sec gear and i started catching on him slowly and after i hit 3 gear i was bumper to bumper and almost hiting 4rth i passed him and let off. so i won. i still dont know how i won but i passed him and won. since them im being playing with the FI sistem and ditched the holley carb, now i have factory everything ext for the turbo II intake manifold and 3 inch custom cold airt intake. so this morning i was going on the same spot and another subbie this one is blue but he had a exhaust it all i can notice of it stopped same spot and turned green and same deal got me half of a car and i actually have to go in fourth gear to pass him but i beat him. i can understand, are they underpower or what, im N/A and they are turbo and still beat them, thats embarising


where does it say anything in here that the subie did not launch? your assuming, your also assuming that 2000 was too much at 17, not all of us are lucky enough to have parents that pay for your car and your college and let you stay at home. also, my non experience was the fact that i dont own one and never have. doesn't mean ive never ridden in one and i have raced modified FC's so please moron know who your talking to before you start throwing the insults around. just remember its not too hard to get a c-17 hop into mcChord or fairchild. im pretty sure it wouldn't be too hard to find you. but hey bro say whatever you want, call me whatever you want ive been deployed for over 2 years out of the last 4 to fight for your right to say whatever you want about me or whoever. so please talk so more ****....i really dare you!

 

Correct.

But since the poster didn't say "we launched" or, "I waited until the light turned green before dumping the clutch" I would assume (rightly) that a WRX that actually LAUNCHES would get a little more than 1/2 a car on a non-LSD FC... lol. I think we can agree with that. We used to do 5k RPM clutch-dumps in my buddies old '02 WRX. Yes, they're fast from a launch (quarter-mile) and would beat (for example) the VR6 Jetta (that I referenced earlier) in the quarter-mile, but ONLY if it launched and got that major jump.

Ha... I think I alluded to the fact that I indeed have purchased my own cars. Although nothing truly impressive; I've owned an N/A FC, two Turbo II FC's, a convertible FC and one BMW 3-Series. I've bought all of these cars from working... Not through the financial support of my parents. I bought my first car when I was 17 (N/A FC) for $2k and I actually still have it.

Heh... I can only go by what you said:

This is the first time you've said anything about personal experience. What can I say? I can't read your mind...

Ok... A little insecure? Never had an argument online? Geez... Relax buddy. Come find me and I'll buy you a beer or something.

Right on. I'm down with your service--I salute you for your bravery and committment. However this has nothing to do with the Rx7 vs. WRX debate and is actually kind of irrelevant. But again, thank you for your service.

Is it insulting to you when I point out that you're wrong? No need to pull out the E-guns...

Note: You just presented me with my first online physical harm/death-threat via a cartoon tank... Congratulations.

 

ok well theres many ways to point out to someone when they are wrong ie; "misinformed" you dont have to call someone a "moron" and frankly i dont think your wrong and i dont think im wrong. too much missing information about the details of the race. i just find it hard it to believe that he beat a wrx with a slightly modified na rx7. even if it was from a non "launching" start. i can only go by my experience with my sti going against modified mustangs and srt4's. but then again i had 4''dp and straight exhaust, great till you hit 5th gear and 17.5 psi and the fuel cut kicked in. but anyways theres alot of bullshit stories in the kills section, and i think this one and the wrx one are lies or "misinformed" rx7 owners.

note: you just presented me with my first online slap therefore it is punishable by death

 

oh and you might ask what the mustangs and srt4's are mentioned for. well i was just showing you that i had 50-60hp on them (which the wrx owner had on the n/a 7 oh and not to mention the tq) and walked them all i mean it wasn't close at all even from 20-40 mile rolls they wanted to do. either this wrx driver was terrible or it was 2.5rs

 

there is no way a n/a fb would touch an evo in any conditions. they are in no means slow. they have 250 ft lbs tq by 3500rpms so even in 5th gear there would be no question. as for the wrx, i have a hard time believing a n/a fc can hang with it. my t2 fc would just about hang with a stock wrx.

 

My 12A FB kills Evo's.... (IF AND ONLY IF they are stock sadly..) But I know I am making in excess of 200HP...

A N/A 12A with the mods you stated would be making MAYBE 140-150 HP considering how well the 12A responds to simple bolt ons. Considering the fact you went from a roll you may have kept with him, but he wasnt trying all that hard.

Dont underestimate the 12A... you have a T2, and I doubt you own an FB... A stock FB is about as fast as a Civic stock for stock. if you JUST stick an exhaust under it and fatten up the secondaries you can obliderate Civics. Considering the fact 200 HP puts an FB in the 12 second range means a 12A is pretty mean in the right chassis, its faster in an SA. 250 HP is about the ceiling you reach going all motor in a 12A so in that respect yeah they kinda suck. All things considered I dont think the Evo is a 12 second car, and 150 HP would stick an FB in the 14-15 second area. I am by no means saying thats how much he has, but I do think hes there if not damn close.

You just never hear about FB kills because most guys dont care to brag, as theres no good reason. Although I am buying a video camera next week (tax returns baby )

If anyone wants a list of mods, no prob, but I am positive that setup would run damn near close a stock Evo.