Trackday on stock tires pressure
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Trackday on stock tires pressure
This weekend we had another trackday (hotlapping). I let my tires at stock tyre pressure and dropped my best time by nearly 2seconds. I get much better feedback from the car and I think the snap-on oversteer is more progressive now (I need to replace the rear suspension bushings). There was some sidewall flex and it was showing on the tires. Maybe I overinflated them the last time (had them around 38psi front and 35psi rear).
Just an observation I thought I'd post.
Time drop can also be partially attributed to the fact that I'm still getting used to the car and am getting better at knowing it (only have it for like 2000miles now).
Just an observation I thought I'd post.
Time drop can also be partially attributed to the fact that I'm still getting used to the car and am getting better at knowing it (only have it for like 2000miles now).
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were those pressures hot or cold? do you check your pressures AFTER each session? i have seen pressures go up as much as 10 degrees (running pure nitrogen!) on hoosiers on hot days (120+ track temp). street tires wont go up that much but your also not running nitrogen. be sure to check them as soon as you get out of the car after each session.
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Tire pressure will rise once they get hot no matter what you put in the tire. All gases expand when they are heated; even nitrogen. The idea behind nitrogen is that there is no moisture in it so the pressure climb is more consistent. A good dry source of compressed air is every bit as good.
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at a track, tire flex is the worst thing to have.
stay with the higher pressure at the track
when I brought my FB to a track day the first time with its stock 13x5s and 165/80/r13s i was folding the tires really bad and the car was all over the place. I got black flaged like 3 times for too much smoke on turns.
this nice autoX guy asked me what my tire pressure was and I told him the recommended 25 psi all around.
hea said to bump it up to 35-40 so I did, and what a difference, first lap around i dont think I waivered a Inch from the best line. Huge improvement.
I was getting thumbs up from the corner workers the rest of the day.
stay with the higher pressure at the track
when I brought my FB to a track day the first time with its stock 13x5s and 165/80/r13s i was folding the tires really bad and the car was all over the place. I got black flaged like 3 times for too much smoke on turns.
this nice autoX guy asked me what my tire pressure was and I told him the recommended 25 psi all around.
hea said to bump it up to 35-40 so I did, and what a difference, first lap around i dont think I waivered a Inch from the best line. Huge improvement.
I was getting thumbs up from the corner workers the rest of the day.
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Actually I liked some flex. FD felt more tame and I found things starting to happen more progressively. Also, catching slides was much easier. I will increase tire pressure next time a bit and see what happens. I agree when you know your car fully that no flex is better.
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Actually I liked some flex. FD felt more tame and I found things starting to happen more progressively. Also, catching slides was much easier. I will increase tire pressure next time a bit and see what happens. I agree when you know your car fully that no flex is better.
Actually I liked some flex. FD felt more tame and I found things starting to happen more progressively. Also, catching slides was much easier. I will increase tire pressure next time a bit and see what happens. I agree when you know your car fully that no flex is better.
I typically end up with the fronts 3-5 pounds higher than the rears. It makes the front point quicker and resist sidewall flex while allowing the rears to be a little easier to drive.
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Originally posted by DamonB
Tire pressure will rise once they get hot no matter what you put in the tire. All gases expand when they are heated; even nitrogen. The idea behind nitrogen is that there is no moisture in it so the pressure climb is more consistent. A good dry source of compressed air is every bit as good.
Tire pressure will rise once they get hot no matter what you put in the tire. All gases expand when they are heated; even nitrogen. The idea behind nitrogen is that there is no moisture in it so the pressure climb is more consistent. A good dry source of compressed air is every bit as good.
also tire pressure is really not the right way to tune how a car feels. sure you can use it to fine tune your setup, but first you should tune your pressures (and camber) with tire temps in order to find the pressure (and camber) where the tires make the most grip. from there leave one end the same (front if the car understeers, rear if the car oversteers) and adjust the other end until your happy with the balance.
ideally you want to change the balance of the car with sway bars and spring rates. this way the car feels the way you want it to and makes the most of the tires. if you want a different response from the car try changing the width of the wheel, aspect ratio of the tire, or toe.
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the main reason to use nitrogen is so the pressure does not rise as much
the main reason to use nitrogen is so the pressure does not rise as much
Originally posted by RussTypeS
also tire pressure is really not the right way to tune how a car feels.
also tire pressure is really not the right way to tune how a car feels.
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Originally posted by DamonB
I typically end up with the fronts 3-5 pounds higher than the rears. It makes the front point quicker and resist sidewall flex while allowing the rears to be a little easier to drive.
I typically end up with the fronts 3-5 pounds higher than the rears. It makes the front point quicker and resist sidewall flex while allowing the rears to be a little easier to drive.
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Originally posted by ttb
anybody else do this? sounds like it makes a lot of sense.
anybody else do this? sounds like it makes a lot of sense.
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This weekend we had another trackday (hotlapping). I let my tires at stock tyre pressure and dropped my best time by nearly 2seconds. I get much better feedback from the car and I think the snap-on oversteer is more progressive now (I need to replace the rear suspension bushings). There was some sidewall flex and it was showing on the tires.
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Originally posted by rynberg
My 95 PEP doesn't have that gargantuan 93 R1 rear anti-roll bar () and feels more balanced with even tire pressures. But then again, I'm not exactly kicking everyone's *** at the auto-x, so I could be completely full of $!#$ too....
My 95 PEP doesn't have that gargantuan 93 R1 rear anti-roll bar () and feels more balanced with even tire pressures. But then again, I'm not exactly kicking everyone's *** at the auto-x, so I could be completely full of $!#$ too....
Next time out leave your rear pressures the same and go up two pounds on the front; see what you think. Now go kick butt
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Mld7, no hard feelings
I know that the problem lies in my head, feet and hands atm and not in the tires pressure. But I figured I'd give it a try and it worked for me - I could push her a bit more and it showed on the laptime. Also, I left the gearbox alone, as with this huge-*** stock steering wheel I can't really do successfull opposite locks (big ones) as my legs are in the way - so I was running in 3rd gear all the time For next season I will be getting an upgraded IC, ATE Super Blue brake fluid, new tires, Momo Millenium steering wheel (the small one - 320mm) and maybe springs&shocks and some widefoot gas pedal. I'm looking to drop my time be another 2.5sec and beating those Imprezzas and M3
Just starting to use also the 2nd gear should bring another 0.5-1sec I guess...
Oh, and did I mention I will try higher tires pressure?
I know that the problem lies in my head, feet and hands atm and not in the tires pressure. But I figured I'd give it a try and it worked for me - I could push her a bit more and it showed on the laptime. Also, I left the gearbox alone, as with this huge-*** stock steering wheel I can't really do successfull opposite locks (big ones) as my legs are in the way - so I was running in 3rd gear all the time For next season I will be getting an upgraded IC, ATE Super Blue brake fluid, new tires, Momo Millenium steering wheel (the small one - 320mm) and maybe springs&shocks and some widefoot gas pedal. I'm looking to drop my time be another 2.5sec and beating those Imprezzas and M3
Just starting to use also the 2nd gear should bring another 0.5-1sec I guess...
Oh, and did I mention I will try higher tires pressure?
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