sequential dog box, or 6speed H pattern?
 

Eventually, i would like to have a purpose built race car, and I was wondering what people thought.

Im just curious what people think of a dogbox style 6 speed sequential. I already know what a 6 speed is like, but I would also like reasons why one over the other, since i have no experience with true sequentials.

Thanks,

Jasen

Given the choice I don't know of anyone who'd want an H-pattern over a true sequential shifter.

If you've ridden a motorcycle you've used a sequential shifter.

it depend on what your goals are....if your trying to compete and your class allows for a sequential you better have it, they are faster and allow less room for mistakes, at the same time if don't have your footwork right you can still spit a dog ring out in no time.
personally if its just for a track lapping car I like the feel of a dogged H-patern it forces you to work a little more plus depending on what mfg. they tend to be a little less finicky and a whole lot cheaper.

boxes
 

A good H pattern will run you 7k, a good sequential that will handle hi horsepower will run you 20k plus......

20k what drugs are you on?

Ive found a true sequential dog box, with a rachet style shifter, for about 6k that can handle 650 ftlbs of torque. An M12 transmission for a Vette, is only 4k...

I would want to use it from SCCA on up to something like the American LeMans Series...note, this is an eventual process.

Footwork for a dogbox? You only use clutch to start moving dont you? What footwork would really be needed, aside from gas and brake?

thanks for the thoughts so far, more?

^ yes most don't use the clutch on a dog box but footwork as in gas pedal vs shifting is still critical when it comes to down shifting you still need to be able to time your blips to your hand. in fact i know of many top level pro drivers who still use the clutch on down shifts to help soften the engagements.

LOL ok if you want to go alms with a rotary pm me and i can put you in contact with an x-trac guy who can help you out but it will be much more than 6k oh and if you really want to go alms i can offer my services for around 75K a year.

well, if i do anything on a track, it will be at least 2 years before i start getting into everything, and i would expect around 5-10 before i even started trying to get into ALMS. But i would like to, is the point. I hardly have enough to pay for my car and rent, how in the hell would i pay you 75k a year? lol. Thanks for the clarification on the footwork though, that was confuzzling.

There is actually a ECU like computer that ferrarri i believe, developed for their new sequential 7 speed. It automatically blips the gas for you, and matches the rpms. I dont know everything about that, so i would have to read more into it, but I did read it, in motor trend i believe.

^yes this is true there are ecu's with built in algorithums (LOL spl?) for clutchless down shifting as in almost any paddle shift application the technology has been around for quite a while. however most sanctioning body's untill recently have not allowed it. in your case i highly reccomend you look into a driving school to get your feet wet, something like russell racing driving school would be good.

LOL since you flinched at my asking price this tells me your not independently wealthy so you better hope you have some god given ability and some very good PR skillz if you really want to make it to ALMS.

I can drive decently well (for not having been to a racing school, for being 18, for not having any track time) I will not lie and say that I am god on a race track, I know that its not true. But i would like to think that I am a better than average driver.

No, not independantly wealthy, poor college kid is alot closer to the truth. I would like to go out and run on AutoX and go to a driving school, but I dont have the money for it. I however have very good communications skills. I could make up a bogus or lame story trying to prove that, but I hope that you will just take my word for it. But then realize, that by the time i want to get started on the ALMS im going to be 30, and have much more in the way of experience.

LOL hahahahaha ok. well the best advice I can give you is that if you want to start your racing career at 30 make as much money from now untill then so you can fund your own ALMS team by the way this will require you to have at least 10 million in the bank and bussines that will support itself and allow for self sponsership. now if you want to make your money by racing go get a kart and see how good of a driver you are against the local hero's......how do you judge your driving skillz if you have never competed???????'

I judge my racing skills against people that I have raced on indoor gokart tracks, slick tracks, people at street races, average idiots on the freeways, and the fact that through all that ive done, ive never crashed.

I plan on having sponsors, financial backing, and all that. I plan on getting into SCCA club racing and the like as soon as possible (2-3 years when i have my 7 finished and im out of school) I dont plan on jumping straight into the ALMS, i know that it would be very close to impossible, i wouldnt have the experience required. I plan on starting my racing career at 20-21.

Indoor, and outdoor karting is still racing, though not really comparable (class wise) to the ALMS.

absolutley!!!! karting is a great start what do run?

I dont, on a regular basis, if i had more money and a kart i would though...Ive gone to public indoor karting track and run on slick tracks before.

Dude, forget autocross, put that mazda together to run ITS. Trust me, as a fellow poor ass that hasn't hit 20 yet, it will take long enough to build a car for that. You will gain a shitload of experience in this class (IT is the biggest regional only class which usually has 40+ cars per race in it)and a second gen is a very competitive car there.

Here's a little perspective. I run ITA with a first gen, just for a weekend (double regional) it costs me on average $500. That doesn't include tires, a hotel if needed, maintenence, tow vehicle (a corvette is NOT a valid tow vehicle), trailer, etc.

We are building another couple racecars over this winter and so far the cheapest one is going to be 5k or so. That's just the car, that isn't including driver gear.You can build a racecar for much cheaper than that but you will not be competetive. All you really need is the required safety equipment for the car and an exhaust and your technically an IT car, but a slow one.

You won't get noticed or get sponsors, but hey, you'll have a lot of fun. Besides, your only 18 right? So you still have that 12 years to move up classes, get noticed and get your ride with an ALMS team

P.S. forget about the trans, you can put your car together for the most part with the money you would waste on that

The trans will be a while, but what im hoping for in a final build situation, is a 10 point cage, with door bars, 800hp, and a 9k redline.

For the next two years my plan is to get about 350-400 hp out of it, get the cage done, and most of the exterior body work. After I get the undertray, headlights, rear spoiler (not ricer wing...) and front and rear strut bars, i will worry about getting a tow vehicle. If my dad gets a new truck anytime in the near future, ill take his old truck. (2001 Sierra C3)

Thanks for the info, its much appreciated. any IT races coming up soon that you know of, or a place i can check it?

Forget the rx. Sorry to say it but no one gives a shit about another clapped out rx smoking up the padduct. It kills me because I'm a rotory racer and have $75k in reciepts to prove it. Get yourself to the track, find the most competitive class, SM or SRF, volunteer with the best team and hope that it leads to you getting some time in the car. In the interum hang on every word the team boss says and supress every thougt about sequential boxes and rotary crap. Oh yeah go make a ton of money at the same time, you're going to need it! Sorry for the reality check

Being a pretty good driver isn't enough, you have to be one of the very best on the continent to get noticed by sponsors. Judging skill against other people at indoor kart tracks, on the street, etc isn't a good measure, because they're not racers. Start with track days with a reasonably stock car, do some autocrossing, and then get into road racing once you've devellopped a base set of skills to work on. Don't go modding the car to the tits, you'll end up spending way too much to get on track, go into a spec class and beat everyone, that helps get you noticed, because it's not that your car's faster, it's because YOU are faster, and that's what counts.

Don't quit your day job, there are VERY FEW paying road racing jobs in North America (you're more likely to make a living in, say, professional golf).

If you you really want to make a career out of driving heres your best shot.

1. sell everything you own
2. forget all of your previous "racing experience"
3. go to a racing shool
4. get a job at a racing school (russell /skip barber)
5. hope you meet some rich guy who wants to go racing at the school, offer to drive.

or you can do steps 1-3 and then get a kart, kt100 or TAG are good classes to show your stuff and you never know who will show at a kart race.

You're trying to make headlight kit molds out of cereal boxes and duct tape...
Then ask us how to set-up the reverse mold...

Now you're asking us about transmissions that cost more than your car and driving in ALMS???

I need to ask again...
ARE YOU FOR REAL???


-Ted

Honestly, RETed, what is your deal? You have only talked down on me since i joined this forum.

Okay, so you know what you're talking about (or so people say). I really dont care, because your attitude sucks, (or has towards me). You could be the best person in the world when you talk about rotary, but if your attitude sucks, I could care less, I dont need help that bad, nor would i want it.

Yea, i tried a cereal box, it failed, i made a new design. And your point is? How do you think they made the first car? Did it randomly spout of of someones ass? I think not. Trial and error. So you bashing me for trying something, failing, and trying again is completely pointless. Not to mention, quite childish.

I didnt ask for you to help me make a reverse mold, I asked what would help it release, and not destroy what i had made. Would you want to redo something every single time you had to make it? Of course not.

And now, because I've been reading, and been thinking ahead, into the future about things that I may or may not do with/to my car, you have to ask if im for real?

Now, I have a question for you, are you RET-arded?

Oh yes, i made a pun out of your name...no i dont think im a bad ass for it. Dude, seriously, I dont give two shits if you think im real or not, im allowed to dream, and think of possible things to do to my car. If you dont like it, or dont like what im posting, or think im full of shit, say that you think im full of shit, I really dont care. But at least be honest, and dont sound like a condescending prick, and maybe i would be more receptive to it.

Just because I would like to eventually drive in the ALMS doesnt mean that it is impossible, or even that it would happen. It probably wont, I realize that, but it would be fun.

And all you people saying well sell everything you own go to a racing school hope you meet a rich guy...STFU dude. You sound like a retard for saying things like that. Im not a moron, I realize that it takes many things to race, and live (at the same time) in this world. Some of which are: stable financial situation, transportation, food to eat, place to sleep, gas, tires, parts...the list goes on. I REALIZE THAT.

To those of you who DIDNT treat me like i was 5, thank you for that. (reference, Black91n/a) Just because im 18 does not mean that im a dumbass.

I realize that indoor karting isnt really an actual race, but a couple people have shown up there while i was there...Tony Stewart, Jeremy McGrath, to name a few. But, again, not real racing. I understand that. But its the behind the wheel, judgement, and similar things, that you can gain from it. I realize that sponsors only want a car that wins, because it helps them with their name, but i guess it doesnt hurt to hear it again.

Again, I UNDERSTAND that it takes time, money, commitment, and the like, to race and survive, and i dont have any of that. But over the next few years after I graduate from my auto tech school, maybe I will be the best and be flying through the ranks, or have abandoned all ambitions of racing, but I can dream, right? Dont flame me, the person, just answer my damn question.

It would be much more appreciated.

LOL....Nice...

Andrew

A dog-box sequential, as opposed to all of those synchromesh sequential trannies?

That's about the point when I realized it's either a troll or a dreamer.

The answer of course is you use what the rules require.

Thank you for the straight answer. Wasnt quite what i was looking for, but it is much appreciated.

One more thing, don't plan too far ahead, technology is constantly changing, so there's likely to be a better solution come around in a few years for just about any system for a race car. Who knows, maybe in 5 years there'll be a super trick 7 speed fully automatic sequential box available for $2k or something. You never know.

Try to do a lot of reading of racecar books, like the ones by Caroll Smith. Also, there's some good magazines out there that deal with motorsports and the technical aspects of it that'll help keep you informed. Grassroots Motorsports is good for stuff that the average guy can afford. Racecar Engineering and Race Tech are good for more expensive, pro level, state of the art stuff.

In this months GRM there's an article about how to become a pro level road racer in the US.

We've all had these dreams, don't get mad when people tell you the truth that it's not likely to happen.

Take my advice on the driver education, do it in steps, gradually building speed and skill. Don't try to have your first track laps in a wheel to wheel race in a 700hp monster, that's a recipe for disaster. You'll find that most racers would much rather have more track time in a slower car than spending that time and money making the car faster and getting less time. If you can, run in 2 classes, that way you'll get twice as much track time per weekend for little extra cost.

Buying a fully built race car will cost you about half as much as building it yourself.

I dont mind that people tell me if something may not happen, but more so that they treat me like im 5...thats what gets me.

I know that it may not happen, but ive already gone into that

True, technology is always changing.

I dont want a 700hp monster to start in, but with what ive been drivin 350 hp in the rx would be comparable (though the RX would be faster)

I have the resources available to build the vehicle, I dont have the money to buy one.

Ive read through a Bickel Chassis Manual, but understood less than 1/4th of it. That will change as i learn more at my school.

I would gladly go out and run in SCCA, IT or anything of that nature, if i had the money, and a second running car. I dont want to break my DD out on the track, and have 2 broken cars. Again, thanks for the useful information.

More than that. Sequential shifters are SLOW. The problem is, ppl see videos of Hanz in his M3 GTR literally FLYING through the gears in his sequential box, and they think that's how a sequential shifter works. What they DON'T realize is he's got prob half a million in electronics (like the Ferrari-developed ECU you referred to) enabling those lightning fast shifts.

Like many other racecar-related issues, this is one of those "if you have to ask, you probably can't afford it" typa scenarios. An all out sequential tranny SETUP (ie not just the tranny, but everything you need to go along w/ it) will run you wel over what a pristine FD goes for ;) Or like fd20b said, over $20K ;)

~Ramy

On the contrary...
Your lengthy reply point just the opposite.

Dreaming about stuff is not the problem.
Dreaming about stuff and wasting people's time asking questions that are basically useless (it's just a mental exercise) is a...waste of our time.

I told you to produce shit and then post.
You made up a big thread about how you're developing your light kit and...it's still not finished.
Hell, there's no reverse mold yet.
LOTS of excuses about how you need sleep and don't have time.
Shit like that is wasting our time.
Sorry if everyone else babies your ass, but I'm not your mommy.

Here's a thought...
Why don't you finish the light kits first, and THEN ask questions like this after you're done?

Mental exercises like this unnecessarily clog up forums like this.
Why don't you try to keep the forums cleaner without this kinda trash?


-Ted

OK! rotary noob, yes i said sell everything and go to a racing and then you told me to stuff it well FUCK YOU, YOU WILL NEVER BE A PRO RACER!!!! and you will never race with these people

AJ allmindinger,memo gidly,leo mia,micheal mcdowell to name a few who have started with nothing and made it happen....how you ask???? selling everything and going into a racing school and meeting a rich guy to take them to the top as in -Carl Russo , Rob Finlay ..... so sorry for giving you facts about how to turn your dream into a reality keep dreaming shit head.

who cares
 

RETed, why do you care what this kid posts? Do you have a life? If you don't want to answer him and you think he is wasting his time and dreaming, move on man....... Let him dream, let him waste my time or somone elses time.... Do you even race? Do you have a national championship in anything? It sounds like you are an old retired, grumpy guy that has nothing better to do than bitch or tear somone down......

Rotary Noob, ask away and dream away buddy... The sky is the limit. One thing you want to keep in mind here, everyone has the right advise and wants to give it out. When somone gives you advise, just ask them if they have ever done it before... If you got questions you can ask me, I will help you out.

As far as a GOOD tranny, like I said before 7k for a dog box (Jerico, not so POS T5 tranny that will break after a couple of races) or a sequentail Hewland that will run you 20k plus....

I have owned 3 Jerico boxes now and I am looking at buy a Hewland sequential transaxel box for my new FD project (it is going to cost around 21k)....

Oh yeah and I have won a national championship racing, BP 2006 and I will win many more in the future...

My carbon fiber FD I built this year will be in the March or April issue of Import Tuner. My old FD was on the July 2002 Turbo Mag cover (wide body 3 rotor FD)..

Jeff Kiesel

Why thank you, my dreams have been shattered, please oh please help me, whatever shall i do with myself that i will never be a pro racer....*goes and slits wrists in corner*

oh noes, you called me a shit head, im so offendeded. dur......

Lol. Im sorry but that made me laugh, and got me strange looks in class...

I honestly dont care how THEY did it, because im not them. What about Stephan Papadakis? He started with a Civic Si hatch on the streets, and autocross courses, now hes a pro, and making more money than he can shake a stick at.

I really dont care how other people make it in the world, because I am me.

Thanks for showing me your true colors, have a wonderful day.

RETed, you do sound bitter, but whatever. If you dont like what im saying, dont post about it, or just leave me alone, wouldnt be a loss to me if i didnt hear from you.

Thanks for that fd20b

Oh darn i really thought that spouting immature rederick whould break through to you since abviously rational thought processes are not one of your strong points.

and O my mistake i thought you were talking about trying to go pro in ALMS which would be the circles i work in and i asked around but no, no one here has heard of this papadakis guy? but than again I havent seen any civics around here either.

but good for you i'm glad you know who are and have a good career plan, I so know what you mean following other footsteps is so over rated re-inventing the wheel is so much better.

LMAO people are giving me strange looks for laughing in class again.

Yeah, your wealth of knowledge overwhelms me. I'm sorry that I laughed at you, I'm so ashamed. Papadakis is a legend in the sport compact drag series, and the D1, and has all the numbers to back it up. Including the most important one $$$$$$.

Name: Stephan Papadakis

Team: AEM Racing

Class: Pro RWD

Birth Date: February 8, 1977

Hometown: Redondo Beach, Calif.

Cars: 2003 AEM/DriverFX.com RWD Civic,
2004 AEM/DriverFX.com Honda S2000

Engine: 3.2L Acura NSX / 2.2L Turbocharged

Sponsors: AEM, DriverFX.com, Memphis Car Audio, DC Sports, Honda Factory Performance Toyo Tires, Motegi Racing, Advanced Clutch Technology, Specialty Products Company,Garrett Turbo Systems, Cosworth, Modern Image Signworks and G-Cube Designs.

Best 1/4 Mile E.T. : 6.52 seconds

Best MPH: 213.5 MPH

Not exactly a bad ending (especially for the money he is making from his sponsors) for a guy that started with a Civic.

It is a slightly different direction than i want to go, but I dont care, still shows what you can do when you put your mind to it.

Keep thinking that you are something special, im sure someday someone will think so...it just wont be me. Learn correct grammar, and how to type. Would it really kill you to put an "h" after the O, or capitalize the "a" in and? I would think someone that works in a place of such awesome power as yourself could write a decent sentance....

Youve given me a few laughs though, so thanks for that. And now, (and I honestly mean this) Have a nice day.

LOL wow you really have put alot into this, do you have a poster of him in your bedroom??
sorry your right all of my advice about driving schools was just silly street racing will teach you so much more and its free and you must be good considering you raced all those guys on the freeway and never crashed.

never meant to imply i was somebody special i meant i just have special needs
I love it when people resort to grammer insults

Now that's some funny shit! Thanks serenseven.
So "newb" what I said before about hanging on every word should have also included keep your big "I think I know it all already" mouth shut. Most of the guys you should be following around like a hungry puppy, the team bosses, have forgotten more then you will ever know about racing. They are willing to teach as most of us are willing to give advice about racing but you need to have respect for the experience that they have gathered over many many years. If you are serious about a career in racing stop the dreaming and start getting involved. People ask me all the time how I have learned the things that I know, it's because it not the first time I've done it... One project will lead to the next. I watched a guy at Limerock align his car with string and a tape. He let me help and after I said to myself, "I could do that" so I did. That lead to a better understanding of how the suspension works. One of many lessons learned by being a good listener and getting involved. Are you getting my drift.

Does anyone else find it funny how he says he wants to get a $5-20k tranny when he can't even afford to go racing in one of the cheap classes?

I thought I was a reasonably good driver too, untill I did my first driving school at the track. I'd also done go karts before and was reasonably good, but that didn't stop me from sucking at the track. Driving a car is very different.

Seriously, track time is more important than building a fast car.

"And all you people saying well sell everything you own go to a racing school hope you meet a rich guy...STFU dude. You sound like a retard for saying things like that. Im not a moron, I realize that it takes many things to race, and live (at the same time) in this world. Some of which are: stable financial situation, transportation, food to eat, place to sleep, gas, tires, parts...the list goes on. I REALIZE THAT."

um, does this make any sense to anybody??

Ive noticed that you have special needs, one of them is your typing, and your spelling. Maybe you could go back to high school, and ride the short bus everyday?

I dont have a poster of him, im just more open to more classes of motorsports than you it seems. Im not allowed to remember what I read? Im not allowed to use google to get that set of facts?

You really do think that im ignorant dont you? Yeah i raced on the freeway, ive done stupid things, but you see, ive learned from that, and ive never been arrested for it, knock on wood. Ive been lucky, and fortunate in my experiences so far, but I have never stated that I am a god on the street or track. You forgot to include that i see, which means youre trying to make me seem like an irresponsible, ignorant, arrogant fool.

But, this is entertaining, please insult me again, it takes up time, and has proved entertaining so far.


Okay, since you bring up the money issue that ive already covered, ill go over it again. I have said that I dont have money, I was asking what you thought about it. I wasnt asking you to test the feasibility of me actually buying the thing. Because I dont have the money, youre right. But that doesnt bother me, because I wasnt planning on buying it, or at least, not anytime in the near future.

Yes i get your drift, there are people that have more time doing what I would like to do, with far more experience than i have.

I dont respect anyone that hasnt earned it however, yeah, they know more, alright, yeah ill listen to them, but what theyve done doesnt inspire me to automatically make myself their bitch and try to kiss their ass to see what i can learn.

Honestly (really, not sarcastic at all) I am glad that you have a better understanding of how everything works, and im sure that you have a better car as a result. Maybe, I will have that same knowledge eventually, and be able to set up my own car in the future (because as of the present, I cant, for the simple fact that I dont know enough).

I realize track time is important. This is just an idea i had when i was thinking one day, after watching the 24 hours at sebring. Sorry that I actually wanted to ask a question and see if anyone had some practical real world knowledge about it.

The car is only as good as the driver, Yes, i would agree with that. I know that I have more that i could learn. I understand that, but dont have the money. Yes i would like to get involved, no i dont have the money. Is that a crime? Going to school, surviving off Ramen, Cinnamon Toast Crunch, paying rent and tuition?

Alright, screw it, more than likely, Im not going to get you to understand what im trying to say, so whatever, say what you would like.

I was only trying to ask a simple question, but yet again, stupidity won, and all i got was flames about my age and monetary situation. Thanks guys, thanks alot.

To those that actually helped, thank you for your opinions, and advice.

You know what I find hillarious about this though? The fact that if i was 30, 35, or 40, more of you would probably have decent advice to give me. Not just act like I'm a retard and give me shit about every little thing. :fawk:

ah welcome back

so you insult me and so i respond in a simalar manner and all of a sudden i'm the guy picking on you LOL

you asked a question that many race fans ask like "how fast does it go" its a one those things that doesn't have an answer and if you have to ask.......you also mentioned you wanted to go to ALMS well what i told you were the facts starting out without $ means you have to dedicate your life to your goal and even then you need to be lucky. and then when i told you you will never be a pro, well it is pretty abvious that you don't have the dedication to follow through on your dreams considering you don't think you will have to eat shit sometimes to get what you want.I've seen a lot of guys just as good as AJ who just werent in the right place at the right time or thought they were to good to be a rich guys bitch.

your really to easy you know, thanks i had no idea who papadakis was really no idea, my point was your comparing apples to oranges you can't compare a mid level drag race guy to being a paid driver in a top level pro roadcourse/oval series

as for you being ignorant and arrogant....mmm yes i agree considering you admit that you don't know what your doing (thats the ignorant part) but than when people who do offer advise you tell them to STFU cuz you already know what your doing(thats the arrogant part).

ok since your still online i asumme you are trying to come up witth a witty response....i however am going to bet so i will finish my part of this thread with my favorite line

"THE BUMS WILL ALWAYS LOSE"

No, i asked a functionality question. There is a difference. You arent the bad guy, you just dont understand the point that im trying to make to you apparently. The point is, that all i wanted was information about a true sequential dog box, and not a whole lot of shit about my ideas. Let me reitterate.

I didnt ask for advice on my life, or how to function, whether or not it was true. All i wanted to know about was the %^#damn transmission. I dont care what small percentage there is, so dont give me all your theories and shit about how it wont happen, im not interested in hearing them. Oh yeah, i will never be pro, I cant handle the stressssssss!!!!1111eleventy.

Youre welcome on the info for papadakis. He is however not just a "mid level" drag racer. He is a very well paid, sponsored, professional driver. Just because its not road racing or oval track doesnt mean its not a motorsport event (drifting isnt racing...). Yeah, its different from autox or something of that nature, but its still something he gets paid for, for driving.

You have it twisted. I admit that I could stand to learn more. I know enough to be functional in an everyday situation.

The arrogant part however you misunderstood, I dont want to hear your theories or your shit about how it will never happen. You dont know that, you dont even know who the hell i am. And now youre going to say that it doesnt matter if you know me or not, or that you dont care if you know me, you know my type. Maybe im generalizing with that a little too much though. Who cares. The point is, you dont know what ive done, my experiences, or my thought process. The same is true for you. I have no clue who you are, what youve done, etc. But then, i wasnt trying to judge you.

I dont ask how fast it goes, mainly because I can watch and see how fast it goes.

how very big of you. You will finish your part of the thread and everything is settled the heavens will part, and you are god. Glad to hear it.

Dont let the doorknob hit you on the way out.

Ah, someone who worship Papadakis...
You realize that he used to be some punk ass street racer before he got big in import drag racing?
You wanna do pro road racing, but you worship a Honda drag racer?

Oh, I tell you what...
Since all I see from your pics is your wannabe V8 FC stuck on ramps in the middle of some overgrown field (that paints a really good picture that you can afford all of this?), why don't you put up a dig pic of your account balance or a wad full of $100's...and then I'll shut the fuck up.
Deal?


-Ted

One thing that's VERY different with someone like Papadakis and ALMS pros like Wayne and Will Nonamaker is that Steph got in at the ground level of an emerging series that went from being amateur level to pro, it's very different in the road racing world. You can't go to the ALMS with just you and your tuned street car, stay there long enough and eventually become a pro driver with sponsors. That's more or less what Steph did, he got lucky and was in the right place at the right time, if he'd been racing American cars he'd still be an amateur. Don't think that it'll happen to you, those were some very special circumstances.

The reason everyone's not being super cooperative is that you're essentially wasting their time asking them to give you an answer you'll never need/use, then getting mad at them for telling you how to learn more. This is just another case of bench racing, but instead of dreaming on your own you just had to invilve others. We really don't care about what far fetched plans you have. Try to keep an open mind and be polite, if you start acting like a jerk, no-one will want to help you learn. Not to make this an age thing, but you need to grow up and stop having temper tantrums and getting all pissy at the smallest little thing.

The bullshit walks when the flag drops. A racecar isn't going to set any lap records if it never gets on track.

Once again. SEAT TIME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!!!!!!

I dont worship papadakis...or his civic. Im just saying he started from nothing, and look where he is now.

Yeah, he used to street race. And? Just because you used to street race, or did a few times, doesnt make you a horrible person, yeah, not the smartest thing to do...but oh well.

Its not a wannabe V8 FC...The V8 is in the vette that is in the background, (dont remember which picture, but its there) I plan on keeping the 13b in the 7. Yeah, its on ramps, its not running, need to replace the clutch. Not in an overgrown field either. Its a 20x40 dirt area in front of where I live, where the owner of the property said i could put it. Though i can see where it looks like an overgrown field.

If i had hundreds of dollars, gladly. I dont claim to be a millionaire. I just have ideas/thoughts, and they happen to cost lots of money...is that not allowed? ...shit, i thought it was a free country and all that...

Just because I dont have a large bankroll, doesnt mean that I wont save up and actually do things to this car.

I dont care if you like me, hell I know you dont respect me. I dont expect you to, honestly im not that disillusioned. Just try showing me a little common courtesy, and dont condescend towards me every post i make, and I wouldnt have any issues with you.
Deal?

Again on the FC on ramps thing, did you not notice the headlights and the mounting brackets had been removed? That i had mocked up a new design and documented it IN the car? That i had taken pictures of the mold concept that I am now using?

I swear, just because im 18, and posted an idea, people flame me. You didnt flame the guy that was making the Hella light kit for the FC, modifying the flip up design. He hadnt even started it when he posted...He just had more money, and engineering/cad experience behind him.

As for school and sleep, yeah, they are kinda required you know that? What is more important, school, and getting a marketable skill, or making headlights for my car, I wonder...

I should get some work done on them this weekend though, but thats not a promise.

How about this though, If i produce something, get a picture up, and get it posted, will you actually take me seriously? Thats the real question right there, isnt it?


Black91n/a:
You do have some insight there, but correct me if im wrong, Im allowed to ask questions, arent I? Yeah, im pissed off, because people keep telling me that it wont happen/cant happen/or how to live in general. It digs at me, i still bleed red.

Im only wasting their time, if they think they are wasting their time posting, but even then I didnt force you, or them to read or reply to this. I dont think you are trying to make it an age thing with your post here, but take a look back, I didnt start the rock slinging, though I did take part in it.

If people will talk to me like civilized human beings, then im more than willing to talk, but when you attack me personally, yeah im gonna get defensive.

Amen to your saying. I like it. I think im going to use it, if you dont mind.

Ah, 18...that explains a lot.
Thanx for sharing that with us.


I work 16 hour days and barely get 5 hours of sleep on the weekdays.
I make no excuses.


Um, I think a lot of us are waiting on this?
Dude, some serious advice...
You should've had something in hand before starting the thread.
Right now I think the majority of the thread is about you making excuses about not having the time.
If you had the product (or the prototype), this wouldn't be an issue.

I'm working on a custom front bumper myself.
No, I don't start threads and advertise that I'm doing it.
It's a side project.
It's been two years already since we started.
I knew it was going to take time.
I'm not about go advertise that I'm making one and see if anyone is interested.
Do you see the picture?


-Ted

Well, i suppose you at least arent hypocritical, or at least i havent found that to be the case, so i cant fault you there.

yeah, im 18. Is there a problem with being young? Im sorry i wasnt born earlier, i suppose I couldnt help it though, wasnt really by choice...

Im glad you can work with 16 hour days and 5 hours of sleep. My body doesnt function that well when i try to skimp on sleep. I have school for 10 hours, have dinner, go to work and stay there for 4 hours, come home, and sleep. I get out of school at 2am, and out of work at 7am. School starts at 4:30pm.

Intersted to seeing the design of that bumper. Hope to hear more about it in the future, ive been looking for one that I think looks decent. Havent found one yet.

Yeah, people will be less assholish about stuff if you can prove youve been doing stuff. I get it.

Edit: my question about you taking me seriously was rhetorical, i dont think you actually would, even if i did have the part done.

"You know what I find hillarious about this though? The fact that if i was 30, 35, or 40, more of you would probably have decent advice to give me. Not just act like I'm a retard and give me shit about every little thing."

Maybe if you were older you would understand how immature these coments sound. Remember that most of the people responding to your question are doing so because we are older (I'm 41) and have done the same stupid shit when we were 18. I hate to see you make the same mistakes we made. Again , go find a race team in your area, be their bitch and get the knowlage you are going to need to earn the respect that you think you deserve.

I dont think i deserve respect, honestly. All i want is some common courtesy, and i would be more than happy.

Im no ones bitch, fuuuck that. I dont mind learning, listening, being mentored, but forget that noise about being on call 24/7 365. That doesnt work for me. I do understand what youre saying though. I need to get into the racing scene before i can START racing...that makes perfect sense. And it would definitely help my cause...