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Need to buy a race seat now

I'm at the point where I need to plan for my seat mounts so I'm going to pick up my seat.

I'm 6'4" and not bulky, 34" waist at the most. I am having trouble finding a seat where the harness holes are high enough. I've tried the Sparco Pista and ARS and both fit pretty well but the harness holes are a little low unless I remove the butt cushioning, which isn't comfortable.

I know Sparco makes some bigger seats but they are also wider too, what I need is a tall narrow seat.. anyone have any suggestions?

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If you're not concerned as much with aesthetics, you may do better with a Kirkey Road Race seat.
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+1 for the Kirkey. However, I do not understand the aesthetics comment--I think mine look sharp! Plus, they never expire!



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Those look great. What model seat and cover is that? It looks like the intermediate road race seat with standard tweed cover.
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+1 on the kirkey. I have one in my race car, and most of my friends' race cars. You will need a seat back brace if you're using it in actual competition.
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Old 06-03-10, 04:56 PM
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The back brace just ties it to the cross bar in the main hoop right?

I thought about Kirkeys, I had a vintage bucket in my cobra and loved it.

How high are the harness holes from the base of the seat?
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Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont View Post
Those look great. What model seat and cover is that? It looks like the intermediate road race seat with standard tweed cover.
There is no more "standard tweed" That has been discontinued (thank god).

Those are the intermediate road race seat with the air mesh cover. You will need back braces (as you now need with all seats). They are almost visible in this picture. Excuse the car, it is a work in progress...



One more just for good measure...

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Seriously consider a halo seat such as the Sparco Pro Adv or Racetech RT4009.


And on a unrelated note..

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Save America, beat a teabagger!
Ignorance at its finest.
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And on a unrelated note..


Ignorance at its finest.
Yup! I figured if you can't beat them join them. So much ignorance out there and people painting Hitler moustaches on our nation's president etc. I find that level of ignorance offensive, so I counter it with humor.

Back to race seats...
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Old 06-03-10, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SCCAITS View Post
Seriously consider a halo seat such as the Sparco Pro Adv or Racetech RT4009.

OMP Pista is in that class no?
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Old 06-03-10, 09:43 PM
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Some of the really tall guys have them custom made. Otherwise the belts don't feed through at the proper, safe height. Which probably means you will fail tech.

The aluminum seat makers can probably a custom seat easier than the composite seat makers. Give the companies or your local seat supplier a phone call and see if they have any special order seats for you tall guys.
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I'm 6'2" and use the Sparco Evo 2 Plus. You can see the Sparco seat specs here. I'd recommend sitting in as many seats as you can find. As Gracer7 mentioned the location of the openings for the shoulder harness relative to top of your shoulders is very important for a proper fit.

I'll check with SHPNOUT to see which seat he uses, as he's closer to 6'4" and pretty narrow.

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Originally Posted by CJarrett View Post
OMP Pista is in that class no?
It would be as well. Just saying if you are going to buy a seat, do it once, and do it right. Get one that's going to protect what matters most.

Racetech has a 4009 that is 60mm taller than normal for taller people. http://www.racetechseatsna.com/produ...s/RT9009HR.php
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Try a Cobra seat. I"ve got the Imola, fits well.
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Have you tired a Recaro SPG seat? I'm 6'1 190lbs 34' waist with a 44' chest and the seat fits me perfectly.

Cheers, Patrick
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Also check the rules. I believe I read somewhere recently that all seats will require a seat back brace soon. I forget where...
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Old 06-04-10, 01:40 PM
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Thanks for all the tips guys. I need to find a local shop that carries different brands, only sat in OMP seats so far. I'll check out the Cobra seats too.

To be clear, a seat does not need to be SFI certified if it has a back brace correct?
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+1 for the kirkey!

I'm 6'4" 240lbs and haven't failed tech due to improper seat/belt placement. Can't say that I have really thought about the placement of the belts too much either!

I should probably look into that!
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Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7 View Post
Also check the rules. I believe I read somewhere recently that all seats will require a seat back brace soon. I forget where...
That is correct--both NASA and SCCA will require back braces next year. Kerkey brace=$100 Sparco brace=$300. Just something to keep in mind...
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Originally Posted by CJarrett View Post
To be clear, a seat does not need to be SFI certified if it has a back brace correct?
I think you meant FIA rather than SFI

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That is correct--both NASA and SCCA will require back braces next year. Kerkey brace=$100 Sparco brace=$300. Just something to keep in mind...
Too much misinformation posted here. Here are the facts:

NASA:

A seatback support must be made to hold the seat from going back in the event of a
crash. A plate should be used to distribute the load. No bolts, corners, or sharp objects
should be placed in such a manner that could lead to a possible puncture of the driver in
a high impact crash. Proper design and installation is crucial to safety and it is
recommended that the driver employ the services of a professional race car builder for
this, as well as all other vehicle safety items. An exception may be made for those seats
homologated to, and mounted in accordance with, FIA 8855-1999 or 8862-2009
standards. Those seats that qualify for the aforementioned exception must conform to
the entire FIA 8855-1999 or 8862-2009 set of regulations, as applicable. This includes a
mandatory seat replacement, or use of a seat back brace, for any seat more than five (5)
years old (8899-1999) or more than ten (10) years old (8862-2009). Please reference
the FIA regulations. http://www.fia.com/


SCCA:

The driverís seat shall be a one-piece bucket-type seat and shall be
securely mounted. The back of the seat shall be firmly attached to the
main roll hoop, or its cross bracing, so as to provide aft and lateral support.
Seats homologated to and mounted in accordance with FIA standard
8855-1999 or FIA Standard 8862-2009 or higher need not have
the seat back attached to the roll structure. The homologation labels
must be visible. Seat supports shall be of the type listed on FIA technical
list No.12 (lateral, bottom, etc). Passenger seat backĖif a folding
seat, it shall be securely bolted or strapped in place.
Mounting structures for racing seats may attach to the floor, cage
and or center tunnel. Seat mounting points forward of the main hoop,
between the center line of the car and the driverís side door bar and
rearward of the front edge of the seat bottom are not considered cage
attachment points in classes with limitations on the number of attachments.
A system of head rest to prevent whiplash and rebound, and also to prevent
the driverís head from striking the underside of the main hoop shall
be installed on all vehicles. Racing seats with integral headrests satisfy
this requirement.
The head rest on non-integral seats shall have a minimum area of 36
square inches and be padded with a minimum of one inch thick padding.
It is strongly recommended that padding meet SFI spec 45.2 or FIA
Sports Car Head Rest Material. The head rest shall be capable of withstanding a force of two-hundred (200) lbs. in a rearward direction. The
head rest support shall be such that it continues rearward or upward
from the top edge in a way that the driverís helmet can not hook over
the pad.


Rules on the Table:


SCCA (June 2010 Fastrack):

SUGGESTED RULES FOR NEXT YEAR
The following subjects will be referred to the Board of Directors for approval. Address
all comments, both for and against, to the Club Racing Board. It is the BoDís policy to
withhold voting on a rules change until there has been input from the membership on
the presented rules. Member input is suggested and encouraged. Please send your
comments via the form at http://www.crbscca.com/

#855 (CRB) Mandatory seat back braces for all seats
In 9.3.41, delete: ďSeats homologated to and mounted in accordance with FIA standard 8855-1999 or FIA Standard 8862-
2009 or higher need not have the seat back attached to the roll structure. The homologation labels must be visible.Ē [The
CRB has been made aware of deficiencies in mounting of FIA homologated seats that would be mitigated by the addition
of a seat back brace.]
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Originally Posted by mikeric View Post
Yup! I figured if you can't beat them join them. So much ignorance out there and people painting Hitler moustaches on our nation's president etc. I find that level of ignorance offensive, so I counter it with humor.

Back to race seats...
God i hate to take something even more OT but you know that the group that created and continues to use that image is an ultra left wing socialism movement out west. Apparently he is not enough of a communist for them. And the majority of times that has shown up at tea party protests is the underground movement who's outright stated purpose is to torpedo the tea party by posing as "radical" tea party protesters and misbehaving.

Delete at will admins, just had to get that out there.
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Thanks for clearing that up buddy. I need to be less lazy and go back and look at the rules. I need to look at the rules for the harnesses as well as thats what is going to limit me to certain seats.

I sat in a Sparco Sprint at lunch, holes are too low.

Originally Posted by SCCAITS View Post
I think you meant FIA rather than SFI



Too much misinformation posted here. Here are the facts:

NASA:

A seatback support must be made to hold the seat from going back in the event of a
crash. A plate should be used to distribute the load. No bolts, corners, or sharp objects
should be placed in such a manner that could lead to a possible puncture of the driver in
a high impact crash. Proper design and installation is crucial to safety and it is
recommended that the driver employ the services of a professional race car builder for
this, as well as all other vehicle safety items. An exception may be made for those seats
homologated to, and mounted in accordance with, FIA 8855-1999 or 8862-2009
standards. Those seats that qualify for the aforementioned exception must conform to
the entire FIA 8855-1999 or 8862-2009 set of regulations, as applicable. This includes a
mandatory seat replacement, or use of a seat back brace, for any seat more than five (5)
years old (8899-1999) or more than ten (10) years old (8862-2009). Please reference
the FIA regulations. http://www.fia.com/


SCCA:

The driverís seat shall be a one-piece bucket-type seat and shall be
securely mounted. The back of the seat shall be firmly attached to the
main roll hoop, or its cross bracing, so as to provide aft and lateral support.
Seats homologated to and mounted in accordance with FIA standard
8855-1999 or FIA Standard 8862-2009 or higher need not have
the seat back attached to the roll structure. The homologation labels
must be visible. Seat supports shall be of the type listed on FIA technical
list No.12 (lateral, bottom, etc). Passenger seat backĖif a folding
seat, it shall be securely bolted or strapped in place.
Mounting structures for racing seats may attach to the floor, cage
and or center tunnel. Seat mounting points forward of the main hoop,
between the center line of the car and the driverís side door bar and
rearward of the front edge of the seat bottom are not considered cage
attachment points in classes with limitations on the number of attachments.
A system of head rest to prevent whiplash and rebound, and also to prevent
the driverís head from striking the underside of the main hoop shall
be installed on all vehicles. Racing seats with integral headrests satisfy
this requirement.
The head rest on non-integral seats shall have a minimum area of 36
square inches and be padded with a minimum of one inch thick padding.
It is strongly recommended that padding meet SFI spec 45.2 or FIA
Sports Car Head Rest Material. The head rest shall be capable of withstanding a force of two-hundred (200) lbs. in a rearward direction. The
head rest support shall be such that it continues rearward or upward
from the top edge in a way that the driverís helmet can not hook over
the pad.


Rules on the Table:


SCCA (June 2010 Fastrack):

SUGGESTED RULES FOR NEXT YEAR
The following subjects will be referred to the Board of Directors for approval. Address
all comments, both for and against, to the Club Racing Board. It is the BoDís policy to
withhold voting on a rules change until there has been input from the membership on
the presented rules. Member input is suggested and encouraged. Please send your
comments via the form at http://www.crbscca.com/

#855 (CRB) Mandatory seat back braces for all seats
In 9.3.41, delete: ďSeats homologated to and mounted in accordance with FIA standard 8855-1999 or FIA Standard 8862-
2009 or higher need not have the seat back attached to the roll structure. The homologation labels must be visible.Ē [The
CRB has been made aware of deficiencies in mounting of FIA homologated seats that would be mitigated by the addition
of a seat back brace.]
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Of course a lot of the FIA seats aren't designed to be used with a seat back brace, it's not good for carbon fiber parts to drill holes in them...
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Try looking into the Bride Zeta 3 type L. Im 6'3" tall and 200 ibs with an athletic build and this seat fits really nice. the harness holes seem to be high enough to not be a problem and this is an FIA seat and the one ill be using for drifting.
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I'm 6'2" and had no problems with the Corbeau Forza in my friend's Datsun. That's what I plan to get for my car.
Bonus: VERY affordable.
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