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Old 07-23-03, 12:04 PM
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Arrow Let's move FD to A Stock

I've petitioned SCCA solo board to reclass the 93-95 RX 7 to A Stock. I'm sick and tired of trying to keep up with those lousy Z06's. Please send an email to [email protected] and ask them to move us to a class where we can compete, and kick some old C4 butt.
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Old 07-23-03, 12:15 PM
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Strelnieks stuck his head in my car and asked "Did you send your letter yet?" The blank stare from inside my helmet led him to add "...to the SEB about getting reclassed?" It was funny at the time. Letter? I am getting ready to drive, not write letters!
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Haha. That's freakin' funny. Of all people to say that, I would've pegged Erik as the last guy. Mostly because his SM2 RX-7 is slowly growing into something scary.

I knew I was keeping around all my stock parts for a reason .....

BUT ..... I have serious doubt that a bone stock FD can keep up with an EvoVIII or an STi. I've seen a few at local auto-x's lately .... they're very fast.
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Old 07-23-03, 01:30 PM
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STi and Evo are in AS? If that's true the C4 guys are already pissed. Adding us FD's in there won't hurt nothin
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Yup. Although, on a more open, national-level course, the scales might even out. On second thought, I take my previous statement back ... an FD will be competitive in AS. The dominant car? Well, we'll see.
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Old 07-24-03, 01:48 AM
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So where would the ASP cars get bumped to? I am all for getting the classes changed.
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Old 07-24-03, 11:41 AM
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ASP would go to BSP, running mostly against C4 Vettes, Datsun Z's and some C5's.
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It would actually be a very fun, competitive class.
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Originally posted by donsmith
ASP would go to BSP, running mostly against C4 Vettes, Datsun Z's and some C5's.
C5's do not run BSP. However, E36 M3's do ... and are actually the car to beat in BSP. I highly doubt that IF the FD got bumped into AS that it would be allowed to be bumped into BSP as well.
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Old 07-25-03, 01:10 PM
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along those lines...

Turbo II's should be placed in BSP. Instead of a BS, ASP, BP ladder.

here in houston there's and FD owner from the posted results that places every event in ASP. his name is angel i believe.

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Originally posted by redrotorR1
I have serious doubt that a bone stock FD can keep up with an EvoVIII or an STi. I've seen a few at local auto-x's lately .... they're very fast.
I don't know about you guys, but out here, I've got a Boxster S kicking a$$ in AS (Houser/Faulkner). Besides, I bet the Evo/STi will run in tire anyway.

On the other hand I have run seven events this year and only had competition in SS twice, at least in AS I'd have some incentive besides FTS. (At the last event I was bumped to EMod!)

I'll send the email.

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Old 07-29-03, 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by tpdrx7
I've got a Boxster S kicking a$$ in AS (Houser/Faulkner). Besides, I bet the Evo/STi will run in tire anyway.
There's your problem I am not familier with Houser, but Faulkner taught my Evo II course the year they almost upset the Z06's with the Boxster. He drives mad quick as they say
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Originally posted by tpdrx7
I don't know about you guys, but out here, I've got a Boxster S kicking a$$ in AS (Houser/Faulkner). Besides, I bet the Evo/STi will run in tire anyway.
The one downfall that the Evo/STi run into in stock class is the tire width. Once out of that confinement, those cars are a handful. The Evil-lution is shaping up to be the ESP class killer. Mr. Madarash will hopefully prove me wrong.

AS could be interesting again with the FD, C4's, Evo's, STi's, and the Boxster S. The Boxster S is an FD equal in stock trim, IMO.
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It would be fun to compete with a bunch of different cars on more or less equal footing, instead of watching the Z06s run over us. Send those emails and let's get to racing.
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Email the SCCA

I just finished emailing the SCCA. Everybody reading this thread please do the same. Move us to AS and BSP.

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Well after last weeks "schooling" in SS at the Bremerton Tour I to have sent an email to the SEB. I wish this wasn't a political deal but they always end up being that way. Best I can tell the C4 Corvette guys want that class all to themselves.

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Angry Ain't gonna' happen!

Got this response today. Tell me how this makes any sense!

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Hi, Tom,

Just wanted to let you know that your letter has been logged and sent to the SEB for their consideration.

The SEB has already looked at requests to move the Rx-7tt to AS for 2004. It has not been recommended at this time.

Also, the 2004 rules season is over so the rulebook can be published by 1/1/2004. The SEB is already looking at 2005 rules now.

Thanks for your support of our club and solo.


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Originally posted by karm
Best I can tell the C4 Corvette guys want that class all to themselves.
Actually, most of the top driver AS C4 guys are complaining about the lack of turnout for AS. The additions of the E46 M3 and Boxster S have yet to make any dents on national level participation. Isley himself said he'd welcome the 3rd gen's into AS with the (non-Z06) C5 coupes and verts.

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Just got this reply from Doug Gill; seems the Corvette boys and their whining are still running the SCCA. I sent him a rational response stating that by his reasoning what they are really doing is ensuring the Corvettes a free hand in 2 classes.


Hi, Don,

Your letter has been sent to the SEB and the Stock Advisory Committee for consideration. However, both groups have been reviewing this for two years. The concern remains if the RX-7tt is moved to AS then the RX-7tt will dominate the "new" AS like they did when the RX-7tt was "the car to have" in the "old" SS of the late '90s.

I hope I addressed some of your concerns.

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Originally posted by donsmith
The concern remains if the RX-7tt is moved to AS then the RX-7tt will dominate the "new" AS like they did when the RX-7tt was "the car to have" in the "old" SS of the late '90s.

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Dear Doug,
I agree with your sentiment of a car being in danger of completely dominating a class, and I feel that is a big problem.

Now explain to me how in the hell you think SS is not a sterling example of this right now? I invite you to once again look at all the SS results from the last few years of Nationals, Pro Solos, and National Tours. The C5 does not belong in SS either; it and the RX-7TT should move to AS where they will be competitive with eachother and the rest of the field. How do the C5 and the Z06 end up in the same class? I also understand the board's wish to not make a 10 year old RX-7 the car to have in AS, but right now the C4 is just that. However the BMW has also proven competitive as has the Boxster.




Obviously this is an RX-7 board so you expect us to complain. My letter is basically going to be along the lines I listed above.
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Calling SS drivers

The standard complaint seems to revolve around a lack of running SS capable 3rd gens. Let's get a list together and approach the SEB as a group. Doug Gill said if we can get a larger group maybe it would make a difference. I know we can get some help from some heavy hitters, so if we can get the people that are actually racing these things maybe we can sway this.

Mike Schoop out of Atlanta and Mike McHugh out of San Francisco are both listed in this months NAP as Super Stock competitors in 3rd gens. Are you on this list, does anyone know how to get in touch with them? Is there anybody else we can get?

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As much as I would like to see the car moved to AS, it's probably not going to happen, at least not anytime soon. The SEB firmly believes that the current AS is a good mix of cars with none dominating. (Although one SEB member admits that the Boxster S may be the dominant car in class, but it hasn't been proved yet, because there hasn't been one actively campaigned). The feeling is that bringing in the Rx7 will kill the current diversity.
Currently there aren't that many Rx7's being run nationally in SS, (for good reasons), but the chances of the SEB moving the car would be much better if the numbers were higher.
On the BSP move, even if the Rx7 is eventually moved to AS, it's SP class doesn't automatically change as well. Andy McKee bought and will be campaigning the Tri Point Rx7 in ASP next year, (at least that's what I have heard), if he does well you can forget about a move to BSP.

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Originally posted by Rx7cat16
Currently there aren't that many Rx7's being run nationally in SS, (for good reasons),
Same is true for the C5. No vette drivers bother coming into SS unless they have a Z06 and that's a shame, there are many C5's on the road. I realize the SEB needs to hear a logical argument and not an emotional one, but what do numbers of cars and/or complaints have to do with logic? The number of cars around shouldn't class a car, performance should class a car. As for there not being many RX-7TT in SS, they all left SS or bought a Z06!


I don't understand why the FD is automatically not allowed into A Stock because there are not many stock FD's left (who says?). I don't understand why it has been decided that A Stock is somehow "perfect" right now and so the FD can't be put there. I don't understand how the C5 is also still stuck in SS while the Boxster was allowed to be moved down. I don't understand how the Z06 got put into SS in the first place when the C5 was there; you sure as heck don't see SS Camaros running in F Stock!


It seems that car classing is more political than I would like to believe as it has been recommended to me many times by people more experienced with such things that if the FD community will just complain loud enough then something will happen.

In the mean time I still feel I am unfairly classed and I will keep running in SS. Where else would a guy with an FD go? ASP? The Z06 still has the same advantages in ASP that it has in SS. SM2? Maybe, but for the bucks it would take I think you could build a faster SM2 car cheaper than an FD.
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Originally posted by DamonB
..... they all left SS or bought a Z06!
Aww. You feeling lonely in SS, Damon?

I completely agree. Bringing down the C5's with the RX-7 would re-vitalize AS, IMO. If you look at the National Tour and ProSolo AS participation, you'll see that AS is still down in numbers. And despite the new additions of the E46 Bimmers and the Boxster S (.... can you say ringer? ...), the C4 is still THE car to have in AS. Thus far, the E46 M3 has not proven to be a challenger and there's been little to no participation from the Boxster S. I would strongly consider converting my car back to stock, if the class change were to happen. Unfortunately, 2004 changes are done for the year ... so you might as well save up all our emails/letters for next year.

(psst .. maybe if we all wait and barrage the SEB simultaneously, they'd reconsider .... )
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