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Old 05-25-03, 05:14 PM
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Drifting

Im getting tired of seeing that evrytime some one says the word drifting there followed by remove the theread drifting is not raceing blah blah.

What these people dont know os that drifting is a form of raceing but still raceing. If u dont like it good but dont rant to people who do. i dont like dragraceing and nascar but i dont bitch to people who do it and like it.

Drifting is done all around the world at real copetitions ( for those who dont know the D1 is one of the biggest drift competiitons out there),

drifting is also a technique in race ing rally racers use it alot. As do some Formula 1 Drivers to a point. it done in circuit raceing and others.

I enjoy drifting and dislike it alot whem people will talk down about it.
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Old 05-25-03, 08:43 PM
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someone should start a "lets start a drifting section" in the suggestions area...oh wait i already did....

im glad someone sees things the way i do. lets try to get the mods to notice!
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Re: Drifting

Originally posted by OptimusPrime
Im getting tired of seeing that evrytime some one says the word drifting there followed by remove the theread drifting is not raceing blah blah.

What these people dont know os that drifting is a form of raceing but still raceing. If u dont like it good but dont rant to people who do. i dont like dragraceing and nascar but i dont bitch to people who do it and like it.

Drifting is done all around the world at real copetitions ( for those who dont know the D1 is one of the biggest drift competiitons out there),

drifting is also a technique in race ing rally racers use it alot. As do some Formula 1 Drivers to a point. it done in circuit raceing and others.

I enjoy drifting and dislike it alot whem people will talk down about it.

I <3 raceing copetitions. And thx for the info, I didn't know "drifting if a form of raceing but still raceing." Wee for 3rd grade english.

But more on topic....
I agree with DrifterFD3s. I think there should be a drifting section. That would solve the problem pretty effectively.
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I've already argued why drifting competitions isn't racing. Go back and read it. If you disagree with me, come up with reasons why, but it's NOT RACING.

There's already an open topic, go argue this in there.

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I agree it's not racing, it's exhibition. I think they should just open up a section for drifting, though.
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Old 05-26-03, 02:37 PM
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Just rename the section from Race Car Tech to Competition Car Tech.

Drift car and Race car all need to be setup for competition purposes. They setup are different, but then we should discussed it here since its about winning and setting up the car. Right?
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Well, then what about show car competitions and sound competitions?

blah no thanks.

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Re: Drifting

Originally posted by OptimusPrime
What these people dont know os that drifting is a form of raceing but still raceing.
Don't fool yourself, drifting competions are NOT racing, they are style competitions. Ask yourself this; is there passing for position involved? Is there timing?

Originally posted by OptimusPrime
drifting is also a technique in race ing rally racers use it alot. As do some Formula 1 Drivers to a point. it done in circuit raceing and others.
Rally racers drift when in the dirt, not on pavement. How about sprint cars etc. now there is some drifting, on the dirt. NO F1 driver drifts when it can be avoided, which ideally should be always.

I love drifting though and it is tons of fun and is becoming recognized as a real motorsport, even if it is not racing.
I don't care where there forum is but seeing as how there is an engine conversions section, why not add a drifting section.
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I wouldn't really call drifting a form of racing, but a competition. Racing I believe deals with beating people by position, time or speed. Drifting is a style of driving which can be judged by skill or talent, so there can be competition between drivers. But I feel it isn't racing.
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Re: Re: Drifting

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Rally racers drift when in the dirt, not on pavement. How about sprint cars etc. now there is some drifting, on the dirt. NO F1 driver drifts when it can be avoided, which ideally should be always.
actually rally racers DO drift on the pavement...did you see the tour of spain? not all the time, but when its advantageous, mostly on the real sharp corners....

anyways, how do we go about getting a drift section? i mean ive posted on the suggestions forum, but i dont think that they care. what should we do?
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Re: Re: Re: Drifting

Originally posted by DrifterFD3S
Anyways, how do we go about getting a drift section? i mean ive posted on the suggestions forum, but i dont think that they care. what should we do?
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So it's agreed that it is a form of competition. It's agreed that it is a motorsport. Some feel that it is not racing at all. So for this singualr and petty reason there should be another section just for drifting?

I guess that way talk of drifting will not sully this area that is just for those that feel that way. Yep, no race snobs here. ha ha
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Some feel that it is not racing at all. So for this singualr and petty reason there should be another section just for drifting?
yep.. :p
Yep, no race snobs here.
Check the name of the forum. See if the first gen guys get miffed if people keep asking 3rd gen questions in that forum..

Well, then what about show car competitions and sound competitions?
I second this sentiment. There's lots of competition with automobiles. Not all of these competitions are racing.

I think style drifting is nifty, and when safely/legally organized, potentially quite fun. But drifting for the style of it doesn't belong in a racing thread. If you are a rally-x racer or perfromance rally racer or an ice racer, and have questions about drift techniques related to that type of event (i.e. using drift to increase your performance, not your style), then I would expect that would belong in this forum. If you are a "drift for style" kind of guy, and you are really clever about lying in your question, you could probably sneak drift questions into this forum.. but I think it would be difficult to formulate such a question that will result in an answer helpful to your situation..

Good luck on getting your own forum for the topic..
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originally posted by RX-Heaven
Don't fool yourself, drifting competions are NOT racing, they are style competitions. Ask yourself this; is there passing for position involved? Is there timing?

The truth is yes there is passing, and yes there is timing.
Timing is used to measure speed through a given corner and points are awarded accordingly for fastest speed.

In the Twin dori sections, or when two cars drift together the Lead car does his thing and the rear car tries to match the speed, line, ETC. if the lead car is going slower than the rear car then he can be passed thus giving lots of points to the the rear car.

Since this is true would that make it a race??......who cares if its racing by your definition or not. Most people are too scared to really drive thier cars anyway and 98% of you will not ever Drift your cars. Most posts involving drifting are full of posers and chickenshits who just want to talk about something they can't or wont do. I think it is just part of the whole JDM phase thing and the people who are really into it will still be doing it 5 years from now. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size can see the reationship between road racing, nascar, and others with drift. Some of you don't like drift for what ever reason and thats fine more power to ya, the problem arises when you come in and attempt to tell people when and where they can post information about it when there is an obvious connection with other types of "racing". The last two or three threads said in plain english, the word DRIFT in the title, so I ask my self why do all these haters come in and bitch about it when all they had to do was just ignore it. The problem does not lye with people who like it or are interested in it the problem is with those who make it a point to come in and talk negativley about it.

Make another section if you wish but I think that this section is a good place for it and those who don't want to read about drift they don't have to. I personally don't want to read about Drag racing but I don't bitch in your threads about it.....
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Originally posted by Ranzo The truth is yes there is passing, and yes there is timing.
Timing is used to measure speed through a given corner and points are awarded accordingly for fastest speed.
I stand corrected. However, qualifying for those two still does not mean it is racing.
Originally posted by Ranzo In the Twin dori sections, or when two cars drift together the Lead car does his thing and the rear car tries to match the speed, line, ETC. if the lead car is going slower than the rear car then he can be passed thus giving lots of points to the the rear car.
Since this is true would that make it a race??
No, it still sounds like your describing a style competition to me.
I'll have to agree with the rest of your post though.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Drifting

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Originally posted by Ranzo
Most posts involving drifting are full of posers and chickenshits who just want to talk about something they can't or wont do.
Wouldn't this be a good reason to keep this non-racing topic out of the Race Car Tech forum?

I like drift. I drift at snow/ice covered winter series autocrosses. I would love to be able to afford to do performance rally. I love reading about car control techniques. I would love to see a serious drift forum, and maybe I will someday head up to the organized drift events up at Englishtown. I think that the existence of that organized outlet is _awesome_..

But I think it would be a challenge to have a serious drift forum for the reason you mentioned. In my experience with other boards, it's tough enough keeping a healthy race-focused forum due to all the street racers and goofy street stunnas mucking about. Welcoming an admitted stunna lightning-rod (not saying all drifters are stunnas!!) into the forum seems unwise, when the forum is based on competition whose results are based on empirical measurements rather than aesthetic judgement calls.

Sorry if I am being too parochial..

By the way, if there is some poll or some thread I can show support for a drifting forum.. I support the idea.

Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size can see the reationship between road racing, nascar, and others with drift.
I think the key difference is that "Style" is a factor in Drift Competitions. The person with the aforementioned IQ can see that as a clear difference.
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Oh for the love of...

Will this die already?

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simple solution guys, if you don't like drifting, don't read the threads relating to it.
its easier to not look at than to open a thread just to bitch about it.

get over it.
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I concider myself a drifter, but F1 has aboutely no drifting. OK tires that are half the total width of the car on a >2000 chassis. Not gonna slide. on top of that there is a ton of downforce. Plus 150+ MPH. ?????
Noone can control any noticable slide.

I think if you can learn to drift a raceline like all the D1 drivers, you will definetly have an advantage in real racing.

This whole section moves slow why does anyone care if drifing is here or not?
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Re: Drifting

Originally posted by OptimusPrime
Im getting tired of seeing that evrytime some one says the word drifting there followed by remove the theread drifting is not raceing blah blah....
I enjoy drifting and dislike it alot whem people will talk down about it.
I agree with your points somewhat but would not have locked this if you were actually discussing drifting rather than complaining about how the grip racers are offended by you.
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