jimlab

Make more money than you do, apparently.

Justification? You said "That makes you look very smart indeed pouring untold tens of thousands of dollars into a hybrid FD when you can buy a new Z06 for near the same price." and I just pointed out that A) I had, and B) that it wasn't anywhere near the amount that I have in my FD. It's called nullification of your argument. Thanks for playing.

Right, thanks for the advice. You're a life saver.

But more than likely accurate. We've got no shortage of forum members who seem confused about who paid for what and what actually belongs to them...

Or no. You've obviously done no research on the subject, so there's really no point in discussing this further.

EricM

Or not ..., at least I'm smarter than you.

So you spent not near but TWICE the amount, right ?
You just proved me that you're twice as d**b as I'd thought you'll ever be. Thanks for proving me wrong.

Good thing you agree.

It's irrelevant and a bit insulting. I don't know redrotorR1 personally but he seems to be an ok guy to me and helpful. The fact whether he bought the Z06 or his dad does has nothing to do with this argument and a little condenscending. So what if parents help out a little ? Jealous and hating I see. Did some kid punch you in the stomach and steal your lunch every day when you're little ? Damn, lighten up dude.

Or yes..., just because you've done some research then all of a sudden your words are Bible ? I agree we shouldn't continue since you can't back up any of your claims unlike wingsfan did.

EricM

Hmm... what suspension upgrades do you have ? The Z06 I drove has probably less body roll than the FD and felt pretty good.

I see. How tall is the LS1 anyway ? How far back did you have it sit ? Did you hack up the firewall at all ?

Not only that, but less weight in the front means better steering feel and better turn-in among other things. But yeah, I'd prefer putting an LS1 in an FD than a 2JZ. That thing is heavy ... with good reason though.

PICS please... Got some we can look at ? Do you think somebody can fabricate a custom oil pan and have the LS1 sit w/out messing w/ the steering ?

NIce. Is that with/without driver ? I'd think that your cross weights will be slightly worse than before because now there is no turbo on the other side of the car. Anyway, it shouldn't matter much at all. Do you still have radio, full interior, heater, and PW ?

That's cool. I know some people would just start the flame war whenever these topics arise but it's interesting to see what other options we have besides the wonderful 13B. I've actually been wondering how much does a VQ35 used in 350Z weighs and how long it is. It's probably the best candidate yet I think : all aluminum V6, modest size, DOHC, tunnel 6-spd trans, reasonably short and quite large aftermarket support.
Anyway, thanks for sharing

redrotorR1

Look fuckstick, I make the payments on my Z06. Just like I made the payments on my FD. Bank of America owns the lien ... I pay for it. Yes, I have a regular salaried job that allows for big dollar toys .... thanks for asking. Check the profile before you start making the ASSumption that I'm some 18-yr old *** clown. You've been warned.

black99

Amazing how putting one ls1 powered FD thread explaining track results in a race car tech section can make that happen. BTW not to start another argument, but 4G63 *cough big POS cough* (And yes I own one)

wingsfan

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EricM
Hmm... what suspension upgrades do you have ? The Z06 I drove has probably less body roll than the FD and felt pretty good.
{/quote]

Just the JIC coilovers, Jimlab bushings, bigger wheels and some camber




The LS1 is ~25" I believe. It's as far back as I can get it, and no, I didn't have to hack the firewall to get it installed



No, I don't think you can put the ls1 in without messing with the steering, custom oil pan or not. The oil pan is actually a complete non-issue because of its shape. it is not the reason why the rack has to be lowered.


I don't have any good pics, but here's three I took during the buildup.



Not the greates perspective, but you can sort of see the rack just behind the main pulley



This one's a little dark, but you can see how much room there is between the radiator and the front of the engine, and you can see the front sway bar



I threw this one in because people ask about hood clearance all the time. Simple question, does an R1 strut brace ususally clear the hood? There's your answer about the LS1 clearing



The weight is without the driver. And the only thing I took out of the car wsa the Bose snake, because it didn't work anymore (surprise, surprise).


Hope that helps

wingsfan

Some video of the first time we let it run if anyone is interested

http://lellis62.home.comcast.net/ls1_openheaders.wmv

DamonB

You know what would look sinister on that car? Cowl induction A nice low profile hood scoop (like a Z-28 SS?) in the middle of a stock FD hood would just scare the crap out of me and look 10 times better than the majority of aftermarket hoods availabe

black99

wingsfan, is that hinson's radiator that he offers? (noticed the koyo name on it)

wingsfan

No, it's a koyo for the FD. Hinson wasn't offering a radiator setup when I got my cradle from him. Having seen pictures of his setup I like mine better. I have that in line moroso filler neck at a relatively high point in the system, making it really easy to burp.

EricM

Do you own one of those 96' turbo Eclipse ?

Cool... where did you get the subrfame if you didn't make one yourself ?

So it's because the LS1 is too long then, right ? ? I've always thought LS1's are about as long as a 20B. Anyway, is that the AC compressor at the pass side engine compartment opposite the PS ? Did you still have the cat installed ?

Cool, thanks for the pics. Something to think about I guess.

wingsfan

It's a Hinson subframe. No reason to reinvent the wheel. Lane (his fabricator) does top notch work.

It's not that the ls1 is too long, more that it's too tall in the wrong spot I've never seen a 20B, so I can't comment on whether they're the same size. The ls1 is lighter for sure though.

Yes, that is the AC. It's not running yet, but the wife wanted me to put in AC, so it stays for the time being. I've toyed with the idea of mounting a belt driven supercharger there if I get rid of it.

At this point I am not running a cat. I have a Borla XR-1 race muffler that I welded into a midpipe that I can change out for a cat if need be.

wingsfan

I'm not a real big fan of the cowl hood. Maybe if I had something underneath that warranted a cowl I'd feel different.

For some reason I do like the looks of the Scoot hood though. It's a moot point however, because I've barely got clearance with my stock hood, and from what I undrestand the clearance would be worse with an aftermarket.

black99

Actually I have a 1st gen awd talon for a daily driver(Actually getting rid of it because I hate it so much), my g/f has an eclipse, and have alot of friends into mitishiti's 420a's/4G63's etc.. But that's off topic so don't want to get into that...

black99

I thought it was a regular FD Koyo with custom upright mounts. And no problems with it running hot as of yet? Hinson wants $600 and change for his setup but that's with fans, hoses, etc. Which is not to bad to me. But haven't seen pictures of his setup to see how if differs from the setup you're using.

One other question. And you probably posted this before, but just using something like a Walbro 255lph pump, or something bigger as far as a fuel system?

DamonB

You and I have different tastes then

wingsfan

You think I did mention I'm an Aggie, right? You being a UT grad, we shouldn't see eye to eye. Then throw in the whole v8/rotary thing.

I think I just like the Porsche that the hood is copied from. I won't be putting one on my car.

I do like the look of the Lingenfelter C5 supercharger hoods though, if that's the cowling you were talking about. The RK sport is nice and subtle. I'd just have to find someone to make one for me.

http://www.lingenfelter.com/Packmaghood.asp

BigIslandSevens

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I am fookin addicted to that sound.!!! That is the first time I have heard a V8 in an FD,.....All i can say is NOW I am on the fence about which engine to put back in!!!!. Damn you Wingsfan,Turbojeff, and Jimlab!!!! Thanks alot!!

At the risk of getting yelled at Ericm,...do you have any other relavent info for the thread or just the same stuff you've been saying since page2? Go away and stop arguing. It makes you seem like you are 3. It's their car let them enjoy and go work on yours.(So you can beat that slow POS V8 powered ,unsteerable, non-50/50 weight distributing , understeering pile of crap that you dispise so much. )


Back on topic, Wingsfan ...do you have a site with the conversion on it( history of the buildup type thing?) Great work guys!!!,

jimlab

My apologies. There aren't many Z06 owners on the forum and one 20 year old with an FC has been claiming one lately but recently mentioned his father in context with the car. I just assumed you were the same person. I should have checked your profile first... however, there's no call for that type of language. This is a family forum.

wingsfan

Would it be worse if I told you it sounded much better in person?

Not yet. I've been meaning to create a VFAQ for the buildup since I get about 15-20 PMs and emails inquiring about the swap (mostly wiring once people get around to it).

I have a ton of pictures, and I've shared a bunch of my buildup over at the torquecentral forum. I post over there under the username Drewman because Wingsfan was taken for some reason.

BigIslandSevens

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you've been warned Jim Hahaha!!! Look out!!
Thanks Wingsfan for the info on the other forum ,,, I'll check it out

redrotorR1

Thanks for the apology. And I regret the usage of such language ... but, I'm sure you can appreciate the offense that was taken when I first read that comment. My apologies as well.

-Don

DamonB

wingsfan; sorry. I meant ram air from a low profile hood scoop, not the raised cowl induction. Do you like hood scoops?

wingsfan

You thinking something like this:

http://www.suncoastcreations.com/hoo...aro_z-hood.htm

or this

http://www.suncoastcreations.com/hoo...d_ws6_hood.htm

Neither of them are really my cup of tea, but I could see how they would do a good job of delivering air to the throttle body.

Of course, that's what my cold air intake is for. I have piping fabbed up to draw cold air from where the oil cooler used to be. My intake temps stay around 10-15 degrees above ambient, sometimes lower.

turbojeff

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Not to add any fuel to any arguements. This FD is a 94 Touring, the heaviest of the FDs (besides autos). A friend of mine has a 94 Touring that is pretty much prepped identically to my R1. At a National Tour SCCA event my R1 weighed ~120 lbs LESS than the 94 Touring. IIRC my R1 weighed 2796lbs and the 94 Touring weighed in at 2900lbs and had 2-3 gal less of gas (I filled up for the second event and he didn't).

Wings....

Man you have GOT to bring that car down to Medford on April 4th. I own that track, I don't need any practice. If you want we can swap my Kuhmos on it to get a true comparison of the cars.