Power FC Forum Apex Power FC Support and Questions.

Power FC Cold Start Issues, water temp correction does nothing

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 5, 2009 | 01:37 PM
  #1  
project793's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 241
Likes: 21
From: socal
Cold Start Issues, water temp correction does nothing

So the car runs great when its warm, perfect idle, never dies, etc. But when its cold, or come to think of it, whenever I start it up, the idle is really low, causing the car to die. Now im starting to think that its not the water temp settings, ive played around with the water temp setting but it seems to have no effect at all. I have to keep the revs up myself for about 15-20 seconds on a cold start, and on a warm start, I just have to blip the thorttle a little to raise the revs, and then it idles fine at about 1000. Any ideas?
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2009 | 06:47 PM
  #2  
muibubbles's Avatar
Bubblicious DEF.
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (36)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 4,273
Likes: 10
From: 732
idk if this is any help but when i drive around then sometimes when i stop my rpms drop... car sounds like its struggling to die... turns out my volts drop down to the low 13's .... maybe check your volts?
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2009 | 11:07 PM
  #3  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,205
Likes: 461
From: cold
have you removed your ISC and/or modified the throttlebody in any way? The water temp correction table controls cold start fuel. The ISC and the thermowax/fast idle cam control cold start air, if that makes sense. The ISC and throttlebody dashpot are designed to reduce stalling on decel. All these systems are outlined in the factory service manual.
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2009 | 08:42 PM
  #4  
project793's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 241
Likes: 21
From: socal
Originally Posted by arghx
have you removed your ISC and/or modified the throttlebody in any way? The water temp correction table controls cold start fuel. The ISC and the thermowax/fast idle cam control cold start air, if that makes sense. The ISC and throttlebody dashpot are designed to reduce stalling on decel. All these systems are outlined in the factory service manual.

yea i did remove the isc with the blockoff kit.
Edit: did more searching, looks like it is the ISC, I would prefer to just keep it off, as I like the way it idles when warm. Would adjusting any idle screws help me out with the cold idle? Thanks
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2009 | 10:34 PM
  #5  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Eye In The Sky
Tenured Member: 25 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 133
From: In A Disfunctional World
Without an ISC, you have to hot tune idle: AFRs, Timing, and Air Flow for best idle and at a higher rpm as to not die when full electrical and AC load are on.

Thus your idle will be over 1000 rpm. Then when you cold start it, hold it at 1500 rpm for about 30 seconds and it should idle on its own.
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2009 | 10:39 PM
  #6  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,205
Likes: 461
From: cold
The TB coolant hose and fast idle cam will hold the throttle plates open during cold idle. On my FC I retained that system and removed the ISC. Since the basic throttlebody design is the same between the two generations, you could install a stock TB and regain that functionality if it bothers you enough. Mazda put those systems there for a reason.

Personally, keeping my foot on the gas annoyed the crap out of me, especially if I just wanted to start the car up and drive away immediately. So I put the TB back to stock. The coolant hose is annoying, but I don't think it makes enough of a performance difference to be worth sacrificing that driveability.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2009 | 12:22 AM
  #7  
project793's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 241
Likes: 21
From: socal
Thanks for the advice guys! Im going to try and put the ISC back on..
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Kyo
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
6
Apr 13, 2019 09:24 AM
sherff
Adaptronic Engine Mgmt - AUS
9
Feb 24, 2019 12:09 PM
stickmantijuana
Microtech
30
Apr 23, 2016 06:37 PM
befarrer
Microtech
3
Aug 22, 2015 05:52 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:15 AM.