torque misconceptions
10-07-06, 02:09 PM
#26
Originally Posted by wingsfan
No, the problem is that you started a polemic thread in the OEC section that has zippo to do with engine conversions.
10-07-06, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ericgrau
Again, care to give me a better section?
10-07-06, 02:12 PM
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There's a general auto section?
There we go. Though the info is still useful when comparing engines, no matter what the type. i.e., a higher horsepower engine is always better than a lower horsepower engine (unless you make up something stupid about one of the engines, like it gets 2mpg, weighs 7 tons, etc.).
There we go. Though the info is still useful when comparing engines, no matter what the type. i.e., a higher horsepower engine is always better than a lower horsepower engine (unless you make up something stupid about one of the engines, like it gets 2mpg, weighs 7 tons, etc.).
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10-07-06, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ericgrau
There's a general auto section?
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ghlight=torque
You started this thread with
I know I'm gonna get some flames for this
There we go. Though it is still useful when comparing engines, no matter what the type.
10-07-06, 02:26 PM
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Huh, should have just left the post as-is rather than respond to all the arguments.
Now I have to argue about arguing.
How about, "LS1's are better b/c they have more power, not b/c they have more torque" or "if you swap in a 200HP V6 b/c it has more torque, you'll be sorely disappointed" or "When choosing your V8, pick the one with the most horsepower."
Meh, I'm going to go run errands. The initial post is there for those who want to see it, along with commentary from those who disagree.
Now I have to argue about arguing.
Originally Posted by ericgrau
I know I'm gonna get some flames for this, but there seems to be a widespread lack of understanding about torque.
First let me say that I think the LS1 is great. It delivers lots of power. I am not here to bash LS1's or V8's.
First let me say that I think the LS1 is great. It delivers lots of power. I am not here to bash LS1's or V8's.
Meh, I'm going to go run errands. The initial post is there for those who want to see it, along with commentary from those who disagree.
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10-07-06, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ericgrau
Huh, should have just left the post as-is rather than respond to all the arguments.
Now I have to argue about arguing.
How about, "LS1's are better b/c they have more power, not b/c they have more torque" or "if you swap in a 200HP V6 b/c it has more torque, you'll be sorely disappointed" or "When choosing your V8, pick the one with the most horsepower."
10-07-06, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by razorback
eric, do you know raptor-t?
(wingsfan will get that
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(wingsfan will get that
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I bet you're happy with the outcome of today's game. At least now we don't have to listen to Auburn bitching about the national championship game.
10-07-06, 02:55 PM
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http://www.howstuffworks.com/search.htm
Enter "torque".
In case anybody wants an independant source to learn about it for themself, rather than going on what I or someone else said. I checked a couple of the search results and they both seemed relevant enough. So rather than linking to just one page, I'm linking to the search.
Enter "torque".
In case anybody wants an independant source to learn about it for themself, rather than going on what I or someone else said. I checked a couple of the search results and they both seemed relevant enough. So rather than linking to just one page, I'm linking to the search.
10-07-06, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ericgrau
High torque or a high redline can help increase horsepower, but having high torque or a high redline doesn't necessarily mean anything. But having both does.
If rpm is different you better not be quoting torque, because the same torque will give two different horsepowers.
I even included the sentance that could be misinterpreted, in case you want to use that. It's the 1st sentance.
Originally Posted by GtoRx7
Ah, yet another person that truely understands.
10-07-06, 04:18 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by RaPtOr-T
Watch out Eric dipshits can be dangerous in packs.
10-07-06, 04:26 PM
#39
Originally Posted by jimlab
Wouldn't the same apply to horsepower?
The correct answer is that you can't accurately predict the outcome of a race simply by comparing two peak power numbers, two power to weight ratios, or two power to displacement ratios.
The rate of acceleration of a vehicle is determined by its torque curve, gearing, and weight, as well as rolling and aerodynamic resistance and the coefficient of friction at the contact patch.
F = m * a, where F is the net force with all factors considered, as mentioned above.
Obviously not.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ghlight=torque
So, how many times were you planning to start the same thread over again?
The correct answer is that you can't accurately predict the outcome of a race simply by comparing two peak power numbers, two power to weight ratios, or two power to displacement ratios.
The rate of acceleration of a vehicle is determined by its torque curve, gearing, and weight, as well as rolling and aerodynamic resistance and the coefficient of friction at the contact patch.
F = m * a, where F is the net force with all factors considered, as mentioned above.
Obviously not.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...ghlight=torque
So, how many times were you planning to start the same thread over again?
Originally Posted by razorback
so what made you upgrade to a 3 rotor?
10-07-06, 04:27 PM
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Here are some interesting links:
* How Horsepower Works
* How Force, Power, Torque and Energy Work
* How Car Engines Work
* How Rotary Engines Work
* How Horsepower Works
* How Force, Power, Torque and Energy Work
* How Car Engines Work
* How Rotary Engines Work
Anyways be the bigger man and just stop posting in this thread, you won't change their minds about anything.
10-07-06, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GtoRx7
What you say is true.
But you always leave out a important factor when speaking of acceleration, which is time.
Rpms include time.
Every ******* time.
10-07-06, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RaPtOr-T
Anyways be the bigger man and just stop posting in this thread, you won't change their minds about anything.
Someone's still sore from their spanking.
10-07-06, 05:00 PM
#46
Originally Posted by wingsfan
And how'd you get that extra HP without boost? 
but I had to keep the rpms too. Otherwise if a 20b redlined at 4k, it would have been a downgrade for power. Jim I know exactly what your saying, you CAN figure out everything by looking at how much torque you have, AND the rpms the torque carries to. But that would have to be said as " I have 300ft-lbs at 9000rpms" instead of saying " I have 514 horsepower at 9000rpms" But you cant go around rating engines by torque alone, you HAVE to know how many rpms is running to see its true potential.
10-07-06, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GtoRx7
From the extra torque
but I had to keep the rpms too.
Otherwise if a 20b redlined at 4k, it would have been a downgrade for power.
you CAN figure out everything by looking at how much torque you have, AND the rpms the torque carries to.
But you cant go around rating engines by torque alone
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10-07-06, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GtoRx7
What you say is true. But you always leave out a important factor when speaking of acceleration, which is time.
acceleration= ΔV/Δt=ΔS/(Δt)^2
F=ma > kg*m/s^2 or lbf*ft/s^2
10-07-06, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GtoRx7
From the extra torque but I had to keep the rpms too.
but I had to keep the rpms too.