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Got some interest from folks here that aren't on Supraforums, but wanted to see some of the work I've done.

I'll post the pictures here and explain some of them, but regardless there should be quite a bit of information in here for those curious about the problems and solutions for this swap.

Feel free to ask questions, and if I don't know the answer I'll know someone that does.

We'll start from the beginning when I bought the car last August.

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Packing the car up to ship to the shop:

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The truck, trailer, and car were just so beautiful I had to take some shots together.

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Wheel the car into the shop, and start pulling stuff apart. (The white MKIII is also mine.)

Next step was to design a subframe, so I got a hold of a Tech2 frame and reverse engineered it.

Here are a couple pics of the frame and models.

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As for the mounts, I used some MIL spec hi-density UHMW stock with some 6061 T6 al stock.
If these fail, I'm going to revert to some Poly-urethanes I have at work.

After the engine and sub-frame were in, I tackled the transmission mount.
I have access to a plethora of tools and equipment, so I decided to try a formed aluminum bracket for high weight to strength ratio.

In the mean-time, I prepared my exhaust manifold for installing.

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The first bracket came out "okay" but I wanted perfect, so I ended up making 2.
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In preparation for the intercooler, I removed the front bumper cover as well as the fender liners. This FD has been in a fender bender, so the crash bar had a small pucker on the driver's side.

To mount it, I welded some .125" steel plate pads to my custom hanger brackets on the core, marked, drilled, and tapped.
Here are some pictures:

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Collision damage:
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Cleaning up the intercooler. (I used this cooler on my MKIII supra up to 650hp.)
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With some small pilot holes, we hung the intercooler in a couple places with zip-ties to get an idea where it will go.
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And here we are after welding in the pads, tapped, and bolted up:
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The duct in the OEM bumper needs to be trimmed a little so it's not rubbing on the core:
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Here we are with the bumper back on. (I couldn't have a better fitting intercooler for this bumper.. I'm really happy with it.)
(ps, check out my hover car!)

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Next will be IC pipe routing, and it's got a great path.
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Since I only get to work on the RX7 on weekend, during the week I spend some time running simulations of components I design or would like to use.

I typically design for a FOS of 2.5 or greater on something like this.
For the engine sub frame, I choose a force comparable to a of 1,000 lbs in various directions to highlight any areas of concern.
In the Tech2 style subframe, assuming an basic AISI 304 material I was able to determine a couple key areas that had zone where the stress surpassed the yield strength of the material. In an average weld, depending on the filler metal or post annealing the strength of bond can be as low as 70% of the yield strength. So I'll be keeping an eye on these areas.

Here are a couple screen shots of the calculation results.

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Here shows a small buckling scenario at the weld joint near the steering rack engine standoff interface.
This was simulated at 1,000lbs static force with the car frame mounting locations restrained. (The scaling is 16X.)

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Purchased a standard CXRacing IC pipe kit to piece together my bends.

They look decent.
We'll see how they work out:

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Milled off a couple standoffs that I intend to weld to my transmission mount.
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Some other misc. parts to fabricate the exhaust:

I got my 316 stainless reducer to make my down pipe. Currently, it's a 4" pipe with 4" v-band flange. What I would like to do for the time being, is use my GT4088 with the 3" turbine exit and reuse my 4" downpipe.

So I'll go from 3" to 4" to open dp.

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Also got some fiberglass heat shielding wrap for whatever I'd like to insulate.
About 100' by 2" here.

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Replaced all the brakes with new rotors and Porties:

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New heat shield from ATP Turbo:
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Did a little bit of work on the 7, but check out what we got one morning.;-)

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Seth came for a visit today to bring me my manifold for the supra, so I took the opportunity to see what my billet turbo would look like on the. Rx7

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Got the driveshaft installed, and the fuel tank drained ready for dropping.

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Gonna put the brakes on this project.
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Bought a new camera, so the pictures from here on out will be better:

Before heading home today, I took some scrap pieces of pressboard, sheared out 4 pieces to some dimensions I'm thinking of making a radiator to.
It's always nice to have a model to work with in the car.

I epoxied the sides together, so it's a real quick and dirty mock radiator. :)

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Using the numbers here just to describe the percentage in change of angle ONLY, you can see by reducing the steering rack's location results in a large change in tie-rod angle:
The illustration doesn't really represent the wheels, tires or rack, but rather the difference in angle required if you lowered the rack.
Note that everything is constant, minus the location of the line representing the rack to ground (this value is known and correct.)

As long as I keep the other arbitrary numbers constant, my angle difference can be calculated.
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After making a rough model of a radiator, I ordered a custom one from Griffin:

Here are some pictures.
It's a 2.75" thick core 2-row.
-17AN fittings on feed and return that will go to fittings on my water necks.
Two electric fans and an aluminum shroud.

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Wrapped the radiator up in some cardboard and masking tape so I wouldn't damage it while figuring out the position:

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AN fitting facing the water neck:
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Expansion/overflow nipple is on the passenger side with a straight route to the stock bottle. Very clean, no hoses draping over the front of the engine bay.

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Continued progress on radiator support design.

To validate the design in the system, I have simulated a static load of 100lbs on a radiator geometry to my bracket assemblies.
Assuming a total face to face bond in my gusset I get my results.

The stresses on the system are highlighted with the graph provided:
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Here is a simulation of the yield strength of the bracket alone with 100lbs of force, notice the low value.
By calculating the yield strength of the bracket alone, we can determine it's functionality in the system. With the yield of the bracket in the 33ksi range, I am confident in the design seeing less than 700psi in the system:

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Since I validated the design, I will now make the part:
Sheared out some AISI 304 steel and punched out some gussets:
I will attempt to weld them this weekend. Since it's been a while, I might just tack them and have them done professionally.

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More to come.
Tacked up the brackets, etc.

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Using FloWorks simulation tool, I am able to calculate some air molecule trajectories through various environments. I modeled my intercooler, and core density to the published data provided to me by Spearco. The IC pipe geometry is subject to change at this stage:

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30PSI Environment without the intercooler core:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zahg-lUraM

30PSI Environment with core:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxdqLZ7b8y8 The beginning of the vacuum line system:
Thanks to my friend at McMaster, I got these goodies in 8 hours. :D

Anodized vacuum manifold with 1/4 and 1/8 NPT taps so I can tuck and hide some air lines:

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Sorting through some push-to-connect fittings.
At $47 a piece for the stainless steel ones, they're a real nice piece.

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At this point it was discovered that my engine set was a blown up paper-weight.
Rebuild was in order... big time.

We decided to take the oil pan off of my 2J this weekend to replaced the nasty RTV silicone with some toyota FIPG.

Soon as we turn the engine over on the stand, we hear rattling...
Fearing the worst, we pull the oil pan to discover this...

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Some ideas for oil cooler shrouds:

Here are some ideas:
Cooler is 6" x 10" x 1.25"

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More goofing off:

Just one is necessary.
I'm not road racing, and it's really just a street car.

Here are some more layouts.

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I screwed up my first set of brackets because I forgot the radiator tapered at the bottom, so made some new ones:
This is my first time tig welding, so cut me some slack. I want to learn lots of things:

Mustered the courage to TIG my brackets, and they came out okay.

Here are a few pictures of the fab.

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Setting up the strips in the box break.
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Sheared out some more gussets, this time adding a lower gusset due to the increased bending moment from extending the bracket.
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Get a couple practice runs in:

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TIG gussets:

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Couple hours later I got them all done.
Most of the time was in setting them up straight and making sure they didn't warp.

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been following your build for awhile... cant wait to see it in person ;)

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Originally Posted by got_hp (Post 10659228)

been following your build for awhile... cant wait to see it in person ;)

Come out to the shop on the 18th. (We're having a dyno day. I should add it to my signature here.)

It won't be done, but pretty close.

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Originally Posted by MK3Brent (Post 10659459)

Come out to the shop on the 18th. (We're having a dyno day. I should add it to my signature here.)

It won't be done, but pretty close.

hmmm, bout 1.5 hr drive...i might be up for that!

btw, if you want some help with your website, let me know! (assuming nicedup is yours?)

*edit - also might want to post the dyno day info in the SouthEast Forum section

How much did the swap cost u?

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niced up, is my friend CJ's shop, I'm just an engineer working out of eastern NC. I'll forward your offer for help to him.

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Originally Posted by BOOSTALMIGHTY7 (Post 10660897)

How much did the swap cost u?

After I get the final amount I'll share that. I wasn't cheap. I did everything the right way.

im sure it was a pretty penny but it all looks great. :D

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Originally Posted by FC3Sstriker (Post 10662944)

im sure it was a pretty penny but it all looks great. :D

Thanks man.
But it was a lot of fun doing.

We'll see how well I can get the hood to look though.

damn. is it worth building the braces and mounts yourself or i know they have a kit made by tech2 for 2500 for all the mounts?

Depends who you are, and your skill level.

I'm an engineer with the world of tools and machines available to me, so that's why I choose to make a lot of the parts.

oh ok.
and another thing. which do u think is better in the long run cause someone told me it was a little easier to put in the 1jz and both the 1 and 2 have around the same hp and everything. just ones a 2.5 and the other is a 3.0

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Originally Posted by afgolden (Post 10694654)

1J easier? Not really. Cheaper, for sure.

Like any lower vs. higher displacement motor comparison, the 1J can make the same power if you want to wait for it (more lag) and rev it out more (not a problem for the 1J). The 2J is going to have considerably more torque.

jw. do u have any of the measurements or designs of the subframe and everything you had built that i could buy off of you or something. i would rather have my uncle build me mine since he is a steel worker and welder.

Next time you have the car on the lift, can you grab me a few measurements between the motor and the subframe, or rack (or anything else that seems repeatable on my end)?

I found a bare subframe I may pick up, but I'll need to made the mount brackets. My plan at this point is just to use an old trans mount, weld plate to it to make it rigid, and use that to help locate the motor fore/aft. I just need some measurements up front to set the motor angle.

Also, do you happen to have detailed photos of the motor mount that come with the kit? I've been told they are from a Ford F-150, probably later '80s model, and I am trying to track down exactly what they are.

If you end up making the poly mounts, I'd be interested in a set. :)

Maybe if I bring back this thread, I'll feel like working on the care more again.. :lol:

Been dead lately.

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Originally Posted by MK3Brent (Post 10969820)

Maybe if I bring back this thread, I'll feel like working on the care more again.. :lol:

Been dead lately.

Haha. Get on it!

I've just started picking up the pace of work on my own swap. I'm trying to bring it to OC MD for cruise week in May, so I have a hard deadline for myself. You should bring yours as well!

Gotta make brake lines for the front, since ABS was deleted.

Nice work bro. Where u at in NC..

Thanks, I live in Simpson NC, my cars are in Greensboro/Reidsville.

Damnit man I'm uber impressed with your build lol...pretty badass work...I'm working on doin a swap in a fc..too bad you don't have the numbers for that :(

Thanks, I appreciate it.
I can't wait to drive it.

I haven't had a fun car running in over 2 years. Ready to boost again.

What an amazing build!!! Which ABET school did you go to? I want to become a mechanical engineer... Anywho how did you correct the bumpsteer? Would you sell a bump steer correction kit? Samberg and hinson are around $200 and thats a retarded price haha